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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #3152
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,072 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    Fu*k NPHET
    Fu*k RTÉ
    Fu*k baldy Tony
    Fu*k the Government
    Fu*k the curtain twitchers
    Fu*k Leo the Leak
    Fu*k Micheál the Coward


  • #3153
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Penfailed wrote: »
    You have taken the time to type all that out in reply to my 'let it rip with masks' response to a post in which you advocate letting it rip with masks as the only mitigation measure. I mentioned masks specifically, as that was in response to another poster who said that very thing - open everything now, with masks.

    I agree. Everything needs to open up and go back to normal (without masks) but I don't think we've vaccinated enough people to do that yet.

    So you're saying we should continue as we are, until everyone is vaccinated?


  • #3154
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    bear1 wrote: »
    So you're saying we should continue as we are, until everyone is vaccinated?

    No.

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  • #3155
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    On top of all that, Irish people saved approx. 61m a day in January - and most likely large chunk of this will be spent when the economy is open, when houses can be done up, cars bought, holidays abroad etc.

    I honestly don’t know why we never lockeddown before

    The economy is going to boom it seems


  • #3156
    Padkir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Padkir


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    On top of all that, Irish people saved approx. 61m a day in January - and most likely large chunk of this will be spent when the economy is open, when houses can be done up, cars bought, holidays abroad etc.

    If they are not very careful about when they allow hospitality to open, a significant amount of the money that's being ear-marked to jump start that part of economy will be spent in the North or in other countries.


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  • #3157
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Penfailed wrote: »
    If you were calling the shots, what would be your current plan?

    1) abolish the 5 level nonsense
    2) open each sector with appropriate sanitary regimes.
    3) go on a full scale vaccination drive without certain age groups
    4) once all vaccinated, pretend it's 2019 over and over


  • #3158
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I honestly don’t know why we never lockeddown before

    The economy is going to boom it seems

    That's such a childish response. He's just stating the facts of the situation, not saying we should just lockdown. Obviously the economy would have done better without a lockdown but it isn't hit as bad as some make out, it's actually growing. The sectors the Irish economy truly rely on have been doing just fine, thank god.


  • #3159
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Penfailed wrote: »
    No.

    So what then?


  • #3160
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Penfailed wrote: »
    If you were calling the shots, what would be your current plan?

    Follow most of Europe

    Regional restrictions in counties where numbers are above a certain amount per week


  • #3161
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    This isnt just an economic problem - its far deeper than that. I'm not going to get into the medical costs of this past year either - those alone will cost thousands of lives.

    This past year has seen a fragmentation of the Irish people, a sickening finger pointing culture moved from toxic cesspits like twitter into our daily lives. A pervasive and ever present peddling of fear and worry.

    Consider the brain drain - yet again another cohort of the best young Irish will head to better prospects abroad, leaving behind a diminished talent set. There's a whole age range of women who will never have a child, the prospects after college, fighting up a career path, and then finally being ready has left them out of time. The literacy of a subset of children will never recover. It goes on and on.

    This lockdown was a cruel unscientific attempt at controlling the uncontrollable. It has been a sadistic theft of life from the many to protect what has become clear were the very few.

    It needs to end this week.


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  • #3162
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    That's such a childish response. He's just stating the facts of the situation, not saying we should just lockdown. Obviously the economy would have done better without a lockdown but it isn't hit as bad as some make out, it's actually growing. The sectors the Irish economy truly rely on have been doing just fine, thank god.

    We’ve added the highest debt figure per capita across the EU.

    As good as our falsely inflated GDP figures are, Ireland still had the largest drop Q4 2020, twice that of the next hardest hit. Further evidence Ireland is on its own maverick approach to lockdown to prevent another lockdown.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/ireland-suffered-eus-sharpest-gdp-drop-under-second-lockdown-40176511.html
    According to figures published by Eurostat on Tuesday, Ireland’s quarterly gross domestic product (GDP) fell by 5.1pc from October to December, as the country entered its second major lockdown.

    The figure was almost twice the result in Austria (-2.7pc), the country with the second-largest fall in growth from the third quarter.


  • #3163
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    This lockdown was a cruel unscientific attempt at controlling the uncontrollable. It has been a sadistic theft of life from the many to protect what has become clear were the very few.

    It needs to end this week.

    And yet in countries in Asia where there were proper tough lockdowns, and where the people respect the policies and comply with them, the virus is not much of an issue now. In Ireland though, you have a certain % of society that are anti authority and nearly every week since this started say "this must end now".


  • #3164
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,293 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And yet in countries in Asia where there were proper tough lockdowns, and where the people respect the policies and comply with them, the virus is not much of an issue now. In Ireland though, you have a certain % of society that are anti authority and nearly every week since this started say "this must end now".

    The truth is, the virus isn't much of an issue here now either.


  • #3165
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    The truth is, the virus isn't much of an issue here now either.

    Now or ever?


  • #3166
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    That's such a childish response. He's just stating the facts of the situation, not saying we should just lockdown. Obviously the economy would have done better without a lockdown but it isn't hit as bad as some make out, it's actually growing. The sectors the Irish economy truly rely on have been doing just fine, thank god.

    Well yes those that contribute to GDP are doing just fine. You’re entitled to your own interpretation of the projections but while indicators for a growing economy is good news, at a community and societal level, which is what is important to many, rather than putting money in the state coffers to make figures look good for the markets, it’s not looking so good.

    It’s like the bubble in the US where you go to the right school, college, university and join the right firm/clubs and you never need consider the hoi polloi. It’s a personal opinion, but it’s not where I would like Ireland to end up.


  • #3167
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And yet in countries in Asia where there were proper tough lockdowns, and where the people respect the policies and comply with them, the virus is not much of an issue now. In Ireland though, you have a certain % of society that are anti authority and nearly every week since this started say "this must end now".

    Am i reading correctly that you consider communist china to be a good example of how Ireland should be? Id rather be Japan, jog off and check what they used to defeat the virus.


  • #3168
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    And yet in countries in Asia where there were proper tough lockdowns, and where the people respect the policies and comply with them, the virus is not much of an issue now. In Ireland though, you have a certain % of society that are anti authority and nearly every week since this started say "this must end now".

    Is it just Ireland that has a requirement for a police force, jails and associated justice systems?

    Other countries mustn’t need them with the lack of society who are anti authority

    I’ve been reading this stuff for a while now, and it deserves as much credibility as the conspiracy theories


  • #3169
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    I find anyone demanding that the state has extra control over their lives to be somewhat facist.


  • #3170
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Is it just Ireland that has a requirement for a police force, jails and associated justice systems?

    Other countries mustn’t need them with the lack of society who are anti authority

    I’ve been reading this stuff for a while now, and it deserves as much credibility as the conspiracy theories

    Yes I’d like to see how ‘policing by consent’ would go down in other countries.


  • #3171
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    We will have to live with covid. There are 1.3 million under 18s in Ireland and guess what there is no vaccine approved for them yet. Also there will be another group who don't want to take the vaccine so it is going to be here for the foreseeable future and we have to have a plan to live with it. That is the real world. It will be impossible to achieve herd immunity without a rollout to the under 18s and that is a good bit away.

    Yeah this summer will take care of itself as the weather warms and the vaccine isn’t rolled out to the oldest. But until we reach herd immunity we can’t be certain of what will happen. The level of restrictions needed next winter without herd immunity is totally unknowable at this stage. We can hope for then eat hit the government has demonstrated that it will likely take a conservative approach.

    Let’s hope the vaccines are approved for the under 18s and few people choose not to get the vaccine.


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  • #3172
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Am i reading correctly that you consider communist china to be a good example of how Ireland should be? Id rather be Japan, jog off and check what they used to defeat the virus.

    Never mentioned China - strange that you would automatically jump to that conclusion.


  • #3173
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Yeah this summer will take care of itself as the weather warms and the vaccine isn’t rolled out to the oldest. But until we reach herd immunity we can’t be certain of what will happen. The level of restrictions needed next winter without herd immunity is totally unknowable at this stage. We can hope for then eat hit the government has demonstrated that it will likely take a conservative approach.

    Let’s hope the vaccines are approved for the under 18s and few people choose not to get the vaccine.

    Why would the under 18s want a vaccine when they don’t need it?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #3174
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Hooked wrote: »
    Me again...

    The camper vanning, Clare touring, Rule breaking, renegade. AKA the 42 year old capable of thinking for himself. Covid is gonna be with us forever I’d imagine. The gimps in charge have had a year.., and nothing of note has been added to our healthcare strategy. They’ve effectively ruined lives and businesses - hiding away from it. As I’ve said repeatedly.. covid isn’t nearly as deadly as our piss poor health system would have you believe. I’m just back from an Easter Sunday roast with the folks. Both of whom had, and beat, covid. Neither one too healthy either. Twas lovely to have a nice afternoon with them. My mother’s only gripe was that she can’t renew their passports but can buy ice cream from a van outside their house. And her hair is long overdue attention. Last night we (wife and I) had an outdoor evening with another couple. Long overdue. Twas great. And Friday night 3 couples (and kids) had an evening at mine. Kids indoors. Adults out on a heated deck. We were as careful as we could be...

    Safe to say that the gimps in charge have ‘lost the dressing room’. Time to shape up or ship out! Get on with things ASAP coz Covid-19 is a part of the fabric of life now... and in the future.

    "Long overdue"?

    Tbf Hooked. You stated 12 months ago that you had enough of restrictions and that you were meeting up with friends a month after that and generally don't like the gimps in charge"

    Not much change there really?


  • #3175
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    walus wrote: »
    Why would the under 18s want a vaccine when they don’t need it?

    Why ?......sure'n why not ....... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56422415


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3176
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    I find anyone demanding that the state has extra control over their lives to be somewhat facist.

    If only Mussolini had the Internet,that question would be moot ! :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3177
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    walus wrote: »
    Why would the under 18s want a vaccine when they don’t need it?

    Same reason as the vast majority of adults that don't need it I guess


  • #3178
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Why ?......sure'n why not ....... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56422415

    Ffs what parent allows to have their kids to be guinea pigs in those trials?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #3179
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    Same reason as the vast majority of adults that don't need it I guess

    Which is?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #3180
    Oberkon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Oberkon


    Picked up a takeaway earlier off a restaurant my wife and I go to regularly. Really sad in reality to see the restaurant with all the tables and chairs laid out and silent .
    I had a chat with the owner about the future and when he thinks it will reopen for indoor dining.
    Next year at best he said if he’s still around . You really feel for these type of businesses . He said things couldn’t be worse . Really hope these places can stay open


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  • #3181
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,103 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    walus wrote: »
    Why would the under 18s want a vaccine when they don’t need it?

    Depends on what you mean. Without the under 18s we can make things better. Without the under 18s we most likely can’t reach herd immunity so we don’t know what level off restrictions we’ll need next winter.

    We want herd immunity for all the completely normal reasons we want herd immunity for every other illness. To control it and not really have to impose restrictions.


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