Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

normanoffside · 04-04-2021 06:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

UK government planning on getting mass gatherings up and running

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0404/1207854-uk-covid19/

Guess I'll be going over for a day trip to the UK for concerts

Yes, Fans will be in Wembley this month
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56625307

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 06:54PM

bear1 wrote: »

I don't get this.
We have to wear masks and everything is closed and yet the vaccines still have to be administered.
Why is it a bad idea that we have to wear masks but the economy is open?

Using only masks as a mitigation measure isn't enough in my opinion. Packed pubs and restaurants (where masks couldn't be worn whilst eating and drinking) isn't a great idea at the moment, is it?

bear1 · 04-04-2021 07:01PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Using only masks as a mitigation measure isn't enough in my opinion. Packed pubs and restaurants (where masks couldn't be worn whilst eating and drinking) isn't a great idea at the moment, is it?

To be perfectly honest, that can easily be mitigated.
If you're simply focusing on pubs and restaurants then your outlook is flawed.
Again, it's better to have us all locked inside right?

04-04-2021 07:05PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yes, Fans will be in Wembley this month
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56625307

Interesting article. Thanks for the link.

"The sociologist acknowledged the scheme could work as an incentive for people to get vaccinated, but added that it could also inspire forgery if paper documents are used."

I'd say the scheme would be just as much a disincentive for people to get vaccinated. But I don't think it'd be an issue in the UK where the uptake has been very high. I read an article about Serbia this morning where hardly anyone wants to be vaccinated. The Serbian Government is encouraging people to come to Serbia so that the vaccines don't go to waste.

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 07:05PM

bear1 wrote: »

To be perfectly honest, that can easily be mitigated.
If you're simply focusing on pubs and restaurants then your outlook is flawed.
Again, it's better to have us all locked inside right?

How can that be easily mitigated? Why is my outlook flawed? The things I miss most are going to festivals, gigs and playing in the pub with my band. I'm under no illusion that none of those things will be happening any time soon. Who's locked inside?

PTH2009 · 04-04-2021 07:09PM

Can't see much open compared to now when the May Bank Holiday comes around

June Bank Holiday will also be very restrictive

titan18 · 04-04-2021 07:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Can't see much open compared to now when the May Bank Holiday comes around

June Bank Holiday will also be very restrictive

Ya, probably still just be county travel allowed by June unfortunately. Doubt anything outdoor hospitality will be open either.

PTH2009 · 04-04-2021 07:14PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, probably still just be county travel allowed by June unfortunately. Doubt anything outdoor hospitality will be open either.

Only way I see Hospitality been open is if they enforce the food rule etc but still think they won't want them open with a bank holidays coming up

Ace2007 · 04-04-2021 07:19PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Can't see much open compared to now when the May Bank Holiday comes around

June Bank Holiday will also be very restrictive

It's about trying to manage large crowds converging all together - most likely to happen on a bank holiday weekend, so maybe economy open after June BH.

I went to book a hotel for speculative dates in July and was told it's sold out for June/July and August - people booking rooms with free cancelation in the hope that they can travel.

Even Airlines offering cheap flights with free cancellations which I'm sure many are booking out of hope.

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 07:22PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, probably still just be county travel allowed by June unfortunately. Doubt anything outdoor hospitality will be open either.

I think after April 12th any travel regulations are going to be very difficult to enforce. It’s in county or 20km outside so are they going to check everyone’s address to see if they are 20km from home? Don’t think so

Hooked · 04-04-2021 07:36PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think after April 12th any travel regulations are going to be very difficult to enforce. It’s in county or 20km outside so are they going to check everyone’s address to see if they are 20km from home? Don’t think so

I was driving Limerick - gort - kinvarra - wild Atlantic way - Lahinch - Spanish point - Ennis - limerick thurs and Friday... not a single cop passed, let alone checkpoint.

If you know where they are, you know how to avoid them. I’ll be away every weekend I can from now on,

The travel ban is a load of auld b0llôcks!

titan18 · 04-04-2021 07:36PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think after April 12th any travel regulations are going to be very difficult to enforce. It’s in county or 20km outside so are they going to check everyone’s address to see if they are 20km from home? Don’t think so

They'll target the main locations. So like I'm in Cork city. Guaranteed there'll be guards on the road to Killarney after the Cork/Kerry border to get people there. I'd imagine it'll be same on the main roads out of Dublin to Wicklow Mountains.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 07:38PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

It's about trying to manage large crowds converging all together - most likely to happen on a bank holiday weekend, so maybe economy open after June BH.

I went to book a hotel for speculative dates in July and was told it's sold out for June/July and August - people booking rooms with free cancelation in the hope that they can travel.

Even Airlines offering cheap flights with free cancellations which I'm sure many are booking out of hope.

The way the economy is considered a non complex entity that can be “reopened” on a random date months ahead is hilarious.

Ace2007 · 04-04-2021 07:49PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The way the economy is considered a non complex entity that can be “reopened” on a random date months ahead is hilarious.

So you don't think that hotels/pubs/restaurants wouldn't be able to open next week if they were told they could? Like I said there are hotels book out over the summer months as people/hotels try to anticipate when they can open.

jams100 · 04-04-2021 08:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

SF are the weakest "opposition" in recent history, under the thumb of their masters aka NPHET. A snivelling bunch of lackeys. When Alan Kelly starts shining by comparison you know something is seriously amiss. Bigger picture that the government have received an almighty jolt, expect some withdrawal as a year of Stockholm syndrome can take its toll.

The only thing I've heard from SF in the past 3-4 months are the words "clarification" and "communication".
I'd rather vote for FG, Greens or FF than vote for them again, they are useless (Pearse Doherty excluded).

Probably end up just voting for independents in most future elections, more to express my displeasure with our current offerings as opposed to the quality of independent candidates in my LEA.

GooglePlus · 04-04-2021 08:06PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So you don't think that hotels/pubs/restaurants wouldn't be able to open next week if they were told they could? Like I said there are hotels book out over the summer months as people/hotels try to anticipate when they can open.

If, for the sake of argument, the virus went away tomorrow and the world was allowed open full whack, business would be booming for most. While there's some out of work the last while, there's a lot more who aren't and with the savings put by that banks have been seeing, along with a pent up want to let loose at every angle, it's safe to say demand for the amenities we can no longer enjoy would sky rocket. With the impact of stimulus aside, the markets are still going strong on the prediction of this surge in demand. It will be spending all around when things open back up, the economy isn't in for the big shock people go on about. I think the memory of 2008 still has people spooked but this isn't the same thing at all.

Gael23 · 04-04-2021 08:22PM

titan18 wrote: »

They'll target the main locations. So like I'm in Cork city. Guaranteed there'll be guards on the road to Killarney after the Cork/Kerry border to get people there. I'd imagine it'll be same on the main roads out of Dublin to Wicklow Mountains.

But it’s nit just stay in your county, you can go 20km outside so they would have to take everyone’s details and work out if they are within that 20km. That’s more manpower than they guards have

PTH2009 · 04-04-2021 08:26PM

https://2kmfromhome.com/20km

paddyisreal · 04-04-2021 08:30PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://2kmfromhome.com/20km

Some crack with guards pulling that app out at checkpoints to see whether you a are in or out

kerrylad1 · 04-04-2021 08:40PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Some crack with guards pulling that app out at checkpoints to see whether you a are in or out

These checkpoints are to stop the teens going mad.I have run 20 miles from my house every saturaday for the last 12 months.Ran past lots of checkpoints.Only Once has a guard asked me where im from?Shouted back,limerick, and he just laughed,and called me a smart arse.

titan18 · 04-04-2021 08:44PM

Gael23 wrote: »

But it’s nit just stay in your county, you can go 20km outside so they would have to take everyone’s details and work out if they are within that 20km. That’s more manpower than they guards have

Course and you might get away with it, but guards find out you lied to them you're in much worse trouble than being told to turn around. Never mind that the amount of people living in 20k of the cork/Kerry border is a lot less than the amount who'd be interested in travelling there so I'd say it'll be a blanket turn around unless you can prove you're in the 20k

_Kaiser_ · 04-04-2021 08:45PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So, let it rip with masks then?

I'll be very honest with you... this emotive stuff like the above does nothing for me - you might as well be shouting "won't someone PLEASE think of the children!" CV-19 is simply NOT the deadly killer it was initially feared to be, and we here in Ireland have 12 months of actual evidence to prove that.

You may think it's harsh but yes, people will die. It's sad, it's unfortunate but it's also inevitable. Lockdown and CV-19 measures were never intended to cure or prevent death itself, yet the way some reactions are positioned and the shaming that's engaged in (by Government and the public), one could be forgiven for thinking that we HAD discovered the secret to immortality!

But in reality, once those who are actually at a POTENTIALLY (because remember, death is far from certain, even among those who are vulnerable) significant risk from CV-19 are vaccinated, life and the economy should go fully back to normal (and I mean REAL normality - pre-2020) over a matter of weeks.

No more enforced travel limits and Gardai quizzing you like something from a Cold War era movie, distancing, no capacity limits, €9 pub meals, OR masks (as you mention that specifically). We go back to living, working and interacting as we did before. Hiding behind masks for another year or years and treating others as potential plague-carriers is not normal.

We urgently need to move away from this nanny State and finger-pointing from those who spend more time worrying about what others are at than living their own lives, and start unwinding this culture of dependency and abdication of personal responsibility/decision-making that's taken hold in this country in the last 12 months.

As I've said for almost that long, it's neither necessary nor desirable, and nor is it practical at country level where the needs of the many (in this case the overwhelming majority) must always outweigh the needs of the (very very) few when it comes to social policy, economic strategy and just how we interact with each other.

The game is up. It's time to get back to our lives, jobs and relationships.

Stormyteacup · 04-04-2021 08:47PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

If, for the sake of argument, the virus went away tomorrow and the world was allowed open full whack, business would be booming for most. While there's some out of work the last while, there's a lot more who aren't and with the savings put by that banks have been seeing, along with a pent up want to let loose at every angle, it's safe to say demand for the amenities we can no longer enjoy would sky rocket. With the impact of stimulus aside, the markets are still going strong on the prediction of this surge in demand. It will be spending all around when things open back up, the economy isn't in for the big shock people go on about. I think the memory of 2008 still has people spooked but this isn't the same thing at all.

There will no doubt be a surge in demand due to restrictions on supply. This is short-term thinking. Those that would have spent on holidays abroad will not this year, so that’s perhaps money spent here but how much will this be offset by lack of tourists spending money here? This may balance out once people can travel abroad for leisure purposes again, but will take time. If you have excess savings you’re itching to spend after your staycation, there’s upgrading your car/cars to consider and moving/renovating your home. Those excess savings are finite and benefits a narrow few industries.

But after this surge, will the third of the working population financially affected negatively return to pre-Covid spending or will the other two thirds make up for the shortfall with increased spending, ongoing? Both scenarios are unrealistic after initial surge imo. Consumer confidence has taken a big hit for a proportion of society and they won’t be so quick to leave themselves vulnerable in the future.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 08:49PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

If, for the sake of argument, the virus went away tomorrow and the world was allowed open full whack, business would be booming for most. While there's some out of work the last while, there's a lot more who aren't and with the savings put by that banks have been seeing, along with a pent up want to let loose at every angle, it's safe to say demand for the amenities we can no longer enjoy would sky rocket. With the impact of stimulus aside, the markets are still going strong on the prediction of this surge in demand. It will be spending all around when things open back up, the economy isn't in for the big shock people go on about. I think the memory of 2008 still has people spooked but this isn't the same thing at all.

Were we talking about Ireland or the world?

Most of the countries across the globe don’t need to reopen their economies to the extent Ireland does, they didn’t close as many parts of the economy or for as long

AlekSmart · 04-04-2021 08:57PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The way the economy is considered a non complex entity that can be “reopened” on a random date months ahead is hilarious.

It is also of some note how much the debate has shifted,as can be now seen from posts largely addressing the Gardai's ability to fully police the restrictions,rather than references to not infecting others,or being concerned about others etc etc.

The reality,as visible over the past week,is large scale public non-compliance across the Country cannot be policed within the Gardai's current levels of manpower & budget.

As of now,the issue is Getting Caught....not a lot of concerns,worry or fear about THE VIRUS !!!!......

The ability of two non-contributory members of Dublin Society to push the State back up against the wall in relation to the Quarantine elements of the 1947 Health Act,points very firmly towards a series of large cracks in the plasterwork.

It is high-time to disband NPHET,thus allowing for our Politicans to be advised by their electorate,as originally envisaged by the Constitution,unless that now poses a threat in itself ?

GooglePlus · 04-04-2021 09:01PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

There will no doubt be a surge in demand due to restrictions on supply. This is short-term thinking. Those that would have spent on holidays abroad will not this year, so that’s perhaps money spent here but how much will this be offset by lack of tourists spending money here? This may balance out once people can travel abroad for leisure purposes again, but will take time. If you have excess savings you’re itching to spend after your staycation, there’s upgrading your car/cars to consider and moving/renovating your home. Those excess savings are finite and benefits a narrow few industries.

But after this surge, will the third of the working population financially affected negatively return to pre-Covid spending or will the other two thirds make up for the shortfall with increased spending, ongoing? Both scenarios are unrealistic after initial surge imo. Consumer confidence has taken a big hit for a proportion of society and they won’t be so quick to leave themselves vulnerable in the future.

A third of the working population may be negatively impacted financially but most of these are some of the lowest earning in the economy, not necessarily big spenders. Many were young part time workers, on their way to their true career and many will find work again when things open up in the hospitality sector.

The economies of countries now seeing an opening of society are bouncing right back, like ours did last summer. Our economy is expected to grow by 3.5% this year and the same next year, so hardly that bad.

Some people will be impacted far more than most but most will do just fine. The economy won't look the same but the nature of our own means that a few out of work in hospitality won't really impact growth.

While nobody knows for sure, I think things will bounce back fine and even the likes of tourism will kick back thanks to an increase in domestic tourism and a steady flow from vaccinated regions.

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 09:02PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'll be very honest with you... this emotive stuff like the above does nothing for me - you might as well be shouting "won't someone PLEASE think of the children!" CV-19 is simply NOT the deadly killer it was initially feared to be, and we here in Ireland have 12 months of actual evidence to prove that.

You may think it's harsh but yes, people will die. It's sad, it's unfortunate but it's also inevitable. Lockdown and CV-19 measures were never intended to cure or prevent death itself, yet the way some reactions are positioned and the shaming that's engaged in (by Government and the public), one could be forgiven for thinking that we HAD discovered the secret to immortality!

But in reality, once those who are actually at a POTENTIALLY (because remember, death is far from certain, even among those who are vulnerable) significant risk from CV-19 are vaccinated, life and the economy should go fully back to normal (and I mean REAL normality - pre-2020) over a matter of weeks.

No more enforced travel limits and Gardai quizzing you like something from a Cold War era movie, distancing, no capacity limits, €9 pub meals, OR masks (as you mention that specifically). We go back to living, working and interacting as we did before. Hiding behind masks for another year or years and treating others as potential plague-carriers is not normal.

We urgently need to move away from this nanny State and finger-pointing from those who spend more time worrying about what others are at than living their own lives, and start unwinding this culture of dependency and abdication of personal responsibility/decision-making that's taken hold in this country in the last 12 months.

As I've said for almost that long, it's neither necessary nor desirable, and nor is it practical at country level where the needs of the many (in this case the overwhelming majority) must always outweigh the needs of the (very very) few when it comes to social policy, economic strategy and just how we interact with each other.

The game is up. It's time to get back to our lives, jobs and relationships.

You have taken the time to type all that out in reply to my 'let it rip with masks' response to a post in which you advocate letting it rip with masks as the only mitigation measure. I mentioned masks specifically, as that was in response to another poster who said that very thing - open everything now, with masks.

I agree. Everything needs to open up and go back to normal (without masks) but I don't think we've vaccinated enough people to do that yet.

Ace2007 · 04-04-2021 09:03PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

A third of the working population may be negatively impacted financially but most of these are some of the lowest earning in the economy, not necessarily big spenders. Many were young part time workers, on their way to their true career and many will find work again when things open up in the hospitality sector.

The economies of countries now seeing an opening of society are bouncing right back, like ours did last summer. Our economy is expected to grow by 3.5% this year and the same next year, so hardly that bad.

Some people will be impacted far more than most but most will do just fine. The economy won't look the same but the nature of our own means that a few out of work in hospitality won't really impact growth.

While nobody knows for sure, I think things will bounce back fine and even the likes of tourism will kick back thanks to an increase in domestic tourism and a steady flow from vaccinated regions.

On top of all that, Irish people saved approx. 61m a day in January - and most likely large chunk of this will be spent when the economy is open, when houses can be done up, cars bought, holidays abroad etc.

GooglePlus · 04-04-2021 09:05PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Were we talking about Ireland or the world?

Most of the countries across the globe don’t need to reopen their economies to the extent Ireland does, they didn’t close as many parts of the economy or for as long

Ireland is still bringing in plenty of money. We're forecasted to grow this year and next, and they're probably conservative estimates. Most are still working and the money is still flowing in. While many are impacted hard, the economy as a whole is a different picture.

Penfailed · 04-04-2021 09:06PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Most of the countries across the globe don’t need to reopen their economies to the extent Ireland does, they didn’t close as many parts of the economy or for as long

If you were calling the shots, what would be your current plan?

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