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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3392
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Have you honestly not seen any of the videos testing out masks versus no masks?
    At this stage after so long to have the opinion that masks aren't important it's like you'd want to be deliberately avoiding educating yourself on the best practices during this pandemic.

    Masks are a nonsense. Like telling people to wear them outdoors. People think they are a magic shield so don't bother standing back from people.

    Nobody wears a mask at a house party or in a direct provision centre.

    Masks didn't stop meat factory outbreaks.

    Masks are not the answer.


  • #3393
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    User1998 wrote: »
    You wear PPE to protect yourself not others around you.
    Even if you're a covid denier/whatever, this is just wrong for PPE in general.


  • #3394
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    Masks are over rated.

    They obviously don't do much to prevent the spread of the virus yet people act like it's the best thing they can do.

    People putting it in their twitter names to let people know how woke they are. Michael "wear a mask" Murphy etc.

    It's funny, instead of saying "avoid people as much as you can" they just tell people to wear masks. Popping into the shop for a red bull? Wear a mask!!
    covidrelease wrote: »
    Masks are a nonsense. Like telling people to wear them outdoors. People think they are a magic shield so don't bother standing back from people.

    Nobody wears a mask at a house party or in a direct provision centre.

    Masks didn't stop meat factory outbreaks.

    Masks are not the answer.

    Mod:

    There is a masks thread for this discussion

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #3395
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Even if you're a covid denier/whatever, this is just wrong for PPE in general.

    It's not actually. You wear PPE to protect yourself, first and foremost. However, that is only one part of a safe work environment. A more important part is carrying out a Risk Assessment of the task you'll be carrying out. This is what really protects you and others around you while working. In fact, someone wearing PPE and not carrying out a proper risk assessment will be more dangerous to work around as it can give them a false sense of security.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #3396
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    There was more cases in February with masks than their was in March 2020 without them...

    That’s because of the testing regime in Ireland at that time it was Neolithic.


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  • #3397
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    JRant wrote: »
    It's not actually. You wear PPE to protect yourself, first and foremost. However, that is only one part of a safe work environment. A more important part is carrying out a Risk Assessment of the task you'll be carrying out. This is what really protects you and others around you while working. In fact, someone wearing PPE and not carrying out a proper risk assessment will be more dangerous to work around as it can give them a false sense of security.
    First and foremost, sure, but it also provides some protection for others in many medical settings.


  • #3398
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

    Wow, just wow. What a terrible piece written by a member of NPHET. As I’ve said before, they should now be disbanded and refreshed with a mixed group covering all areas of society from health to the economy. In their current guise, they have failed time and again to come up with any solution beyond a hard lockdown and despite having over a year to do so they can offer very little as an alternate solution. They are also wildly out of touch with reality and have completely ‘lost the room’.

    Taking some specific examples from this article;

    She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end - well actually recent data out of Israel, UK and US suggest that they all provide almost 100% protection against hospitalisation and death for all known variants. Technically the pandemic may not end but life can go back to normal - she infers that it can’t.

    She suggests that there is very little evidence on the effects of transmission by the vaccine. In fact there is significant and growing evidence to suggest they prevent transmission.

    She uses Chile as an example of a country with allegedly 50% of the pop vaccinated where they had to introduce more restrictions. Talk about picking the narrative to suit your argument. The UK, Israel and the US have all been able to significantly reduce restrictions at a similar progress of vaccination.

    She applauds our evidence based approach to easing restrictions - is she referring to the non existent evidence that golf and tennis cause Covid to spread, the non existent evidence that being one of the only countries in the world to close construction prevents spread, the non existent evidence that click/collect services create spread. Perhaps someone should also give them some actual evidence of the positive effects these types of things will have on people’s well being, the economy and overall buy in to other restrictions!

    She tells us that we need to be smart and creative over the next few months - hahaha, NPHET would’nt know smart or creative if it jumped up and slapped them in the face - they have failed to apply any smart thinking or creative solutions to our problems for over a year now!!

    Of course, she uses her platform for a pop at international travel. As a paid public servant, economic matters are of no concern to her!

    She signs off with ‘it’s not rocket science’ - what a condescending finish as if we should all be able to do it all the time - site don’t worry about the monumental affects on people’s livelihoods, the fact that many people have lost their jobs, their careers and will suffer longer than most other European countries because of the advice of an incompetent and dysfunctional NPHET combined with a spineless government.

    We will be in this mess for longer than we need to, with a higher debt than is necessary with a significantly damaged international reputation for business and tourism if we don’t do something now to change course.


  • #3399
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

    Wow, just wow. What a terrible piece written by a member of NPHET. As I’ve said before, they should now be disbanded and refreshed with a mixed group covering all areas of society from health to the economy. In their current guise, they have failed time and again to come up with any solution beyond a hard lockdown and despite having over a year to do so they can offer very little as an alternate solution. They are also wildly out of touch with reality and have completely ‘lost the room’.

    Taking some specific examples from this article;

    She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end - well actually recent data out of Israel, UK and US suggest that they all provide almost 100% protection against hospitalisation and death for all known variants. Technically the pandemic may not end but life can go back to normal - she infers that it can’t.

    She suggests that there is very little evidence on the effects of transmission by the vaccine. In fact there is significant and growing evidence to suggest they prevent transmission.

    She uses Chile as an example of a country with allegedly 50% of the pop vaccinated where they had to introduce more restrictions. Talk about picking the narrative to suit your argument. The UK, Israel and the US have all been able to significantly reduce restrictions at a similar progress of vaccination.

    She applauds our evidence based approach to easing restrictions - is she referring to the non existent evidence that golf and tennis cause Covid to spread, the non existent evidence that being one of the only countries in the world to close construction prevents spread, the non existent evidence that click/collect services create spread. Perhaps someone should also give them some actual evidence of the positive effects these types of things will have on people’s well being, the economy and overall buy in to other restrictions!

    She tells us that we need to be smart and creative over the next few months - hahaha, NPHET would’nt know smart or creative if it jumped up and slapped them in the face - they have failed to apply and smart thinking or creative solutions to our problems for over a year now!!

    Of course, she uses her platform for a pop at international travel. As a paid public servant, economic matters are of no concern to her!

    She signs off with ‘it’s not rocket science’ - what a condescending finish as if we should all be able to do it all the time - site don’t worry about the monumental affects on people’s livelihoods, the fact that many people have lost their jobs, their careers and will suffer longer than most other European countries because of the advice of an incompetent and dysfunctional NPHET combined with a spineless government.

    We will be in this mess for longer than we need to, with a higher debt than is necessary with a significantly damaged international reputation for business and tourism if we don’t do something now to change course.

    Tony Houlihan was trying to persuade us this time last year that masks didn’t work and were in fact dangerous. NPHET have an agenda.


  • #3400
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    Tony Houlihan was trying to persuade us this time last year that masks didn’t work and were in fact dangerous. NPHET have an agenda.

    And what is that in your opinion?


  • #3401
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    jackboy wrote: »
    Tony Houlihan was trying to persuade us this time last year that masks didn’t work and were in fact dangerous. NPHET have an agenda.
    Trying to ensure there were supplies available for medical staff, who needed them the most, since people panicked and bought up ****loads of toilet paper, and food that they eventually ended up throwing out...


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  • #3402
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    jackboy wrote: »
    Tony Houlihan was trying to persuade us this time last year that masks didn’t work and were in fact dangerous. NPHET have an agenda.

    At the risk of dragging the thread into the territory of the Masks Thread, what on earth do you think NPHET's agenda is exactly?


  • #3403
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    And what is that in your opinion?

    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means, regardless of the economic or other health costs. Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work is part of this. They frequently make statements that they know are untrue. This is hardly a surprise to anyone at this stage.


  • #3404
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means, regardless of the economic or other health costs. Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work is part of this. They frequently make statements that they know are untrue. This is hardly a surprise to anyone at this stage.

    Re read your post you’ve confused yourself.


  • #3405
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    And what is that in your opinion?

    They have a clear agenda about Schools and cannot be trusted with their advice their. I think they have shown a lack of empathy for people in general now. People in this field I don't think really understand how much people have suffered during this. In general I thought they were during a good job until the wave around Christmas but the messaging since the New Year has been very poor and pretty strange. Like they are trying to play games with the public at press conferences.

    In general I trusted NPHET's advice before this It's been very disappointing in the last few months. Anyway hopefully people society can return to near normaily sometime in the summer.


  • #3406
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Re read your post you’ve confused yourself.

    Not confused at all.


  • #3407
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

    Wow, just wow. What a terrible piece written by a member of NPHET. As I’ve said before, they should now be disbanded and refreshed with a mixed group covering all areas of society from health to the economy. In their current guise, they have failed time and again to come up with any solution beyond a hard lockdown and despite having over a year to do so they can offer very little as an alternate solution. They are also wildly out of touch with reality and have completely ‘lost the room’.

    Taking some specific examples from this article;

    She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end - well actually recent data out of Israel, UK and US suggest that they all provide almost 100% protection against hospitalisation and death for all known variants. Technically the pandemic may not end but life can go back to normal - she infers that it can’t.

    She suggests that there is very little evidence on the effects of transmission by the vaccine. In fact there is significant and growing evidence to suggest they prevent transmission.

    She uses Chile as an example of a country with allegedly 50% of the pop vaccinated where they had to introduce more restrictions. Talk about picking the narrative to suit your argument. The UK, Israel and the US have all been able to significantly reduce restrictions at a similar progress of vaccination.

    She applauds our evidence based approach to easing restrictions - is she referring to the non existent evidence that golf and tennis cause Covid to spread, the non existent evidence that being one of the only countries in the world to close construction prevents spread, the non existent evidence that click/collect services create spread. Perhaps someone should also give them some actual evidence of the positive effects these types of things will have on people’s well being, the economy and overall buy in to other restrictions!

    She tells us that we need to be smart and creative over the next few months - hahaha, NPHET would’nt know smart or creative if it jumped up and slapped them in the face - they have failed to apply any smart thinking or creative solutions to our problems for over a year now!!

    Of course, she uses her platform for a pop at international travel. As a paid public servant, economic matters are of no concern to her!

    She signs off with ‘it’s not rocket science’ - what a condescending finish as if we should all be able to do it all the time - site don’t worry about the monumental affects on people’s livelihoods, the fact that many people have lost their jobs, their careers and will suffer longer than most other European countries because of the advice of an incompetent and dysfunctional NPHET combined with a spineless government.

    We will be in this mess for longer than we need to, with a higher debt than is necessary with a significantly damaged international reputation for business and tourism if we don’t do something now to change course.


    Dont forget "82% of the public agree with or think restrictions should be stricter" , "most people are still following the rules and soon in future you can meet 1 other person outside " - what horse****e!

    Looking at any public park or coffee dock indicates they have long since lost the public support.


    FF have 11% support and 70% of people think they are doing a bad job according to the latest red C poll.

    This is nonsense propaganda, have we no independent media left ?


  • #3408
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    jackboy wrote: »
    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means, regardless of the economic or other health costs. Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work is part of this. They frequently make statements that they know are untrue. This is hardly a surprise to anyone at this stage.

    That makes no sense in relation to your post as quoted earlier. What agenda pertained to the stance on masks last year? If you mean doing what they were tasked to do, then what did you expect?


  • #3409
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not confused at all.

    Ok
    jackboy wrote: »
    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means,

    If they want to keep infection Down as you say wouldn’t
    "jackboy;116785234&#8221 wrote:
    Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work,
    only put people off taking vaccines and therefore increase infection.


  • #3410
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Will we find out how many are vaccinated on Thursday today or will we have to wait until Tuesday?


  • #3411
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

    She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end
    Although vaccines ultimately offer a potential exit strategy from the pandemic, this must be done gradually to mitigate large-scale public health consequences.

    That is not somebody saying vaccines won't end the pandemic. Vaccines aren't a silver bullet. They may become it but the evidence isn't quite there yet. She acknowledged there was there preliminary data suggesting they halted transmission you reflected this as her saying there was very little evidence of vaccines blocking transmission.

    Doesn't seem likely you are fairly reflecting this person's positions.


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  • #3412
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Ok


    If they want to keep infection Down as you say wouldn’t

    only put people off taking vaccines and therefore increase infection.

    The elderly have mostly being vaccinated. We have been told that everything we are doing is to save granny. That doesn’t apply anymore.

    It will be ages before most people are vaccinated. Now that granny is safe they are trying to stop people getting back to normal. Vaccines are now just a tool to fight covid and will not end the pandemic and may be useless against variants.

    They want is to simultaneously continue to get vaccinated while at the same time continue with the restrictions for the rest of the summer at least.


  • #3413
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    jackboy wrote: »
    The elderly have mostly being vaccinated. We have been told that everything we are doing is to save granny. That doesn’t apply anymore.
    What are you defining as "elderly", and how many of them have been vaccinated?


  • #3414
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Ficheall wrote: »
    What are you defining as "elderly", and how many of them have been vaccinated?

    Over 70’s. Most have had a shot or will very soon.


  • #3415
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    Not confused at all.

    Ok
    jackboy wrote: »
    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means,

    If they want to keep infection Down as you say wouldn’t
    "jackboy;116785234&#8221 wrote:
    Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work,
    only put people off taking vaccines and therefore increase infection.
    jackboy wrote: »
    The elderly have mostly being vaccinated. We have been told that everything we are doing is to save granny. That doesn’t apply anymore.

    It will be ages before most people are vaccinated. Now that granny is safe they are trying to stop people getting back to normal. Vaccines are now just a tool to fight covid and will not end the pandemic and may be useless against variants.

    They want is to simultaneously continue to get vaccinated while at the same time continue with the restrictions for the rest of the summer at least.


    Yes and ease them off as more and more are vaccinated. I said to you re read your last post have you?


  • #3416
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    We must be careful not to oversell the impact of vaccines
    via The Irish Times
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-must-be-careful-not-to-oversell-the-impact-of-vaccines-1.4527275

    Wow, just wow. What a terrible piece written by a member of NPHET. As I’ve said before, they should now be disbanded and refreshed with a mixed group covering all areas of society from health to the economy. In their current guise, they have failed time and again to come up with any solution beyond a hard lockdown and despite having over a year to do so they can offer very little as an alternate solution. They are also wildly out of touch with reality and have completely ‘lost the room’.

    Taking some specific examples from this article;

    She say that vaccines will not make the pandemic end - well actually recent data out of Israel, UK and US suggest that they all provide almost 100% protection against hospitalisation and death for all known variants. Technically the pandemic may not end but life can go back to normal - she infers that it can’t.

    She suggests that there is very little evidence on the effects of transmission by the vaccine. In fact there is significant and growing evidence to suggest they prevent transmission.

    She uses Chile as an example of a country with allegedly 50% of the pop vaccinated where they had to introduce more restrictions. Talk about picking the narrative to suit your argument. The UK, Israel and the US have all been able to significantly reduce restrictions at a similar progress of vaccination.

    She applauds our evidence based approach to easing restrictions - is she referring to the non existent evidence that golf and tennis cause Covid to spread, the non existent evidence that being one of the only countries in the world to close construction prevents spread, the non existent evidence that click/collect services create spread. Perhaps someone should also give them some actual evidence of the positive effects these types of things will have on people’s well being, the economy and overall buy in to other restrictions!

    She tells us that we need to be smart and creative over the next few months - hahaha, NPHET would’nt know smart or creative if it jumped up and slapped them in the face - they have failed to apply any smart thinking or creative solutions to our problems for over a year now!!

    Of course, she uses her platform for a pop at international travel. As a paid public servant, economic matters are of no concern to her!

    She signs off with ‘it’s not rocket science’ - what a condescending finish as if we should all be able to do it all the time - site don’t worry about the monumental affects on people’s livelihoods, the fact that many people have lost their jobs, their careers and will suffer longer than most other European countries because of the advice of an incompetent and dysfunctional NPHET combined with a spineless government.

    We will be in this mess for longer than we need to, with a higher debt than is necessary with a significantly damaged international reputation for business and tourism if we don’t do something now to change course.
    Absolutely slanders vaccination as a solution and then speculates that poor uptake in the population might delay our country's exit from lockdown. You couldn't make it up.


  • #3417
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Yes and ease them off as more and more are vaccinated. I said to you re read your last post have you?

    Yes, not sure what you are on about.


  • #3418
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    I can't see any evidence of them being willing to ease restrictions as more people are vaccinated.

    Oh except two fully vaccinated people can meet indoors now.

    Why not 30??!


  • #3419
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    jackboy wrote: »
    Yes, not sure what you are on about.

    You have now flip flopped on your previous post about NEPHT
    jackboy wrote: »
    Their agenda now is to keep Covid infection rates down by any means,

    And my question to you was
    If they want to keep infection Down as you say wouldn’t
    "jackboy;116785234&#8221 wrote:
    Spreading fear that the vaccines don’t work,
    only put people off taking vaccines and therefore increase infection.

    and then you go off on a tangent
    jackboy wrote: »
    The elderly have mostly being vaccinated. We have been told that everything we are doing is to save granny. That doesn’t apply anymore.

    It will be ages before most people are vaccinated. Now that granny is safe they are trying to stop people getting back to normal. Vaccines are now just a tool to fight covid and will not end the pandemic and may be useless against variants.

    They want is to simultaneously continue to get vaccinated while at the same time continue with the restrictions for the rest of the summer at least.


  • #3420
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    At least, according to todays opinion poll in the independent, people are shifting away from support of government and NPHET.

    Finally. Its been an obvious shambles to some of us for a long time now.


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  • #3421
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    You have now flip flopped on your previous post about NEPHT



    And my question to you was
    If they want to keep infection Down as you say wouldn’t

    only put people off taking vaccines and therefore increase infection.

    and then you go off on a tangent

    Not really, I am talking about NPHET statements.

    Masks don’t work then masks must be compulsory.

    Vaccines will end the pandemic then vaccines won’t end the pandemic.


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