Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Gradius · 03-04-2021 08:27PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

So what exactly did you want to happen - cut Ireland off from Europe and have everyone that wants to come in/out go through NI?

At what stage would you reopen the airports? Even Australia has flights going into the country.

This idea that we just shut down and stop everything is all well and good until you realize that we are an island and are heavily dependent on imports and even exports for the economy.

Again the complete inability to separate people from "stuff". You can have exports and imports without tourists, for example.

If they had executed a thoughtful plan beforehand, now we would be in a position to alternate and adjust. But we didn't do that, so it's just more tripping and stumbling until some ill-defined future.

Just watch how this unfolds then. Look at the last 13 months, and then look forward with that information.

I have a certain amount of confidence that a group of people who have failed...will continue to fail. Or get lucky.

We'll see.

Ace2007 · 03-04-2021 08:38PM

Gradius wrote: »

Again the complete inability to separate people from "stuff". You can have exports and imports without tourists, for example.

If they had executed a thoughtful plan beforehand, now we would be in a position to alternate and adjust. But we didn't do that, so it's just more tripping and stumbling until some ill-defined future.

Just watch how this unfolds then. Look at the last 13 months, and then look forward with that information.

I have a certain amount of confidence that a group of people who have failed...will continue to fail. Or get lucky.

We'll see.

But you didn't say that:

keep international travel open, including airports.

Now your saying, keep exports and imports, despite a good chunk of this coming through the airport. How many "tourists" as you say are actually coming into the country?

Like I pointed out to you - even Oz is allowing people to enter the country - they haven't cut themselves off from this.

A lot of people have this assumption that anyone coming from Brazil for instance isn't Irish - It's just as likely that there are Irish born people coming to Ireland from Brazil, and given their right of return to Ireland - what's your plan to stop international travel - likewise there thousands of people in Ireland who have the right to return to their home counties as they wish. Therefore the airports will remain open.

mmclo · 03-04-2021 08:44PM

faceman wrote: »

Jaysus the rookie detectives are out tonight The scummy comments that come out in this thread are as deplorable as the behaviours for which you’re moaning about.

A few more important things from the story than where they got the money from and commenting on body image.

* 3 negative tests over the space of a week (let’s not forget the law is supposed to protect public health but if measures are taken to protect public health, should that override the law?)
* The issue of the conditions of bail severity compared to more serious crimes. (Granted in the spirit of the law it’s not reasonable to allow them release at home but still)
* the constitutional issue that confirmed covid cases are permitted to quarantine at home

The case will become the test for the future of MHQ

Judge will have to send it to HC in that case, also seems she has prejudiced the whole thing in some of her reported comments

hmmm · 03-04-2021 08:45PM

Gradius wrote: »

Again the complete inability to separate people from "stuff". You can have exports and imports without tourists, for example.

There's feck all tourists coming into the country, most people travelling have good reasons to do so.

The short-term thinking is what gets me. We're one of the most globalised countries in the world, integrated into the EU and the UK, completely dependent on external trade, lots of Irish people travelling back and forth for work, and the narrow-minded quarantine zealots think we can simply bring the shutters down on all this.

Hurrache · 03-04-2021 08:54PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

A sad pathetic Ireland today

Shame on us

No shame on me, such nonsense.

Gradius · 03-04-2021 08:56PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

But you didn't say that:

Now your saying, keep exports and imports, despite a good chunk of this coming through the airport. How many "tourists" as you say are actually coming into the country?

Like I pointed out to you - even Oz is allowing people to enter the country - they haven't cut themselves off from this.

A lot of people have this assumption that anyone coming from Brazil for instance isn't Irish - It's just as likely that there are Irish born people coming to Ireland from Brazil, and given their right of return to Ireland - what's your plan to stop international travel - likewise there thousands of people in Ireland who have the right to return to their home counties as they wish. Therefore the airports will remain open.

Oh I'm sorry I wasn't supremely explicit, yes, I meant that "international travel" equates people and not goods.

You know the way you often send a parcel "travelling"? No? Neither do I.

As for New Zealand, yes they are different NOW, they are in a much healthier situation to pick and choose and adjust NOW. It didn't happen by the same means our governence was banking on; pure magic.

Whereas we have implemented a half-arsed travel restriction program ONE YEAR after a global pandemic started.

Gradius · 03-04-2021 09:00PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's feck all tourists coming into the country, most people travelling have good reasons to do so.

The short-term thinking is what gets me. We're one of the most globalised countries in the world, integrated into the EU and the UK, completely dependent on external trade, lots of Irish people travelling back and forth for work, and the narrow-minded quarantine zealots think we can simply bring the shutters down on all this.

I just cannot believe that, not considering personal anecdotes I've heard and the news itself sometimes.

The vast majority in my opinion travelling around the place are in no more need of "essential travelling" than a scarecrow in a field.

Dental appointments, "emergencies", yeah right. The dogs in the street know the story, people are travelling because they want to, and are finding loopholes to jump through and justify it.

xhomelezz · 03-04-2021 09:05PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's feck all tourists coming into the country, most people travelling have good reasons to do so.

The short-term thinking is what gets me. We're one of the most globalised countries in the world, integrated into the EU and the UK, completely dependent on external trade, lots of Irish people travelling back and forth for work, and the narrow-minded quarantine zealots think we can simply bring the shutters down on all this.

First one I agree, feck all tourists coming in.

Second one not so sure, how many people travel from here for hols and come back?

And the third one..I think most of people understand it won't sort everything, but it will help, just like any other measures. You can't do things halfways.

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2021 09:23PM

I'm not exactly following where I can go or not because I'm not flying anywhere with all this. But does anyone know why Dubai took in these two people?

faceman · 03-04-2021 09:24PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A, no and not relevant.

B, the bail seemed high. I agree

C, what constitutional issue? Where in the constitution is any of this mentioned? People keep saying "my constitutional rights" but no one can show where in the constitution your right to travel, run a hairdressers, go home instead of jail or quarantine, ignore the law and other people's safety is.

The 3rd point is what their solicitor is arguing.

gmisk · 03-04-2021 09:25PM

I just saw footage of the two ones from Dubai, surprisingly enough both desperate to cover their faces.
Seriously though the lone parent allowance must be pretty generous if they can pop over twice in such a short amount of time to get boob jobs?!

MrMusician18 · 03-04-2021 09:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's feck all tourists coming into the country, most people travelling have good reasons to do so.

The short-term thinking is what gets me. We're one of the most globalised countries in the world, integrated into the EU and the UK, completely dependent on external trade, lots of Irish people travelling back and forth for work, and the narrow-minded quarantine zealots think we can simply bring the shutters down on all this.

Your right there are feck all tourists coming into the country but hundreds of tourists returning to the country.

faceman · 03-04-2021 09:26PM

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

So you don't think there is a problem with two social welfare dependant skanks jetting off to Dubai for cosmetic surgery for the second time in a matter of weeks during a global pandemic?
This should definitely be investigated further by the Department of Social Welfare and the Criminal Assets Bureau because something is rotten in the state of Rialto.

Not sure how I feel about it is relevant. I am internet in why you’re labelling 2 people you haven’t met as “two social welfare dependant skanks”. Your view on the case is prejudiced by your biases

But involving CAB? lol

gally74 · 03-04-2021 09:28PM

hmmm wrote: »

There's feck all tourists coming into the country, most people travelling have good reasons to do so.

The short-term thinking is what gets me. We're one of the most globalised countries in the world, integrated into the EU and the UK, completely dependent on external trade, lots of Irish people travelling back and forth for work, and the narrow-minded quarantine zealots think we can simply bring the shutters down on all this.

Bravo sir

gmisk · 03-04-2021 09:28PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm not exactly following where I can go or not because I'm not flying anywhere with all this. But does anyone know why Dubai took in these two people?

Money? Tourism etc is big in UAE. Only requirement is negative test.

faceman · 03-04-2021 09:29PM

gmisk wrote: »

I just saw footage of the two ones from Dubai, surprisingly enough both desperate to cover their faces.
Seriously though the lone parent allowance must be pretty generous if they can pop over twice in such a short amount of time to get boob jobs?!

They’re not on trial for how they could afford the trip, as questionable as it may be

If they weren’t on social welfare, would your view change or does social status play a part in the desire outcome of legal cases?

mandrake04 · 03-04-2021 09:32PM

tintin67 wrote: »

In fairness the 25 year old seems to have done pretty well for herself as a single mother living in an expensive apartment block in Temple Bar and able to afford to fly in and out of Dubai for expensive cosmetic procedures.

Maybe she is on onlyfans.

gmisk · 03-04-2021 09:32PM

faceman wrote: »

They’re not on trial for how they could afford the trip, as questionable as it may be

If they weren’t on social welfare, would your view change or does social status play a part in the desire outcome of legal cases?

I think questions should be asked, it can't be cheap how was it funded? Where is the money coming from? What are we talking 10k each minimum?!

Outcome should be the same, it shouldn't make any difference if it was two D4 yummy mummies travelling for boob jobs. Lock them up for a month imo.

Ace2007 · 03-04-2021 09:34PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Your right there are feck all tourists coming into the country but hundreds of tourists returning to the country.

Yea but they have the right to return to Ireland, but now with having to quarantine we'll see how many of them really need to come back

faceman · 03-04-2021 09:35PM

gmisk wrote: »

I think questions should be asked, it can't be cheap how was it funded? Where is the money coming from? What are we talking 10k each minimum?!

Outcome should be the same, it shouldn't make any difference if it was two D4 yummy mummies travelling for boob jobs. Lock them up for a month imo.

All of those questions would be dismissed by the judge

gally74 · 03-04-2021 09:38PM

Boyle is a sold captain in the making

Ace2007 · 03-04-2021 09:38PM

faceman wrote: »

All of those questions would be dismissed by the judge

depends on what their defence is. If they come to the court next week and claim that they cannot afford to pay the 2k, the judge could ask to see copy of their bank statements to see what their financial situation is like, and if she sees them spending 10k+ on trips to Dubai for surgery she might begin to ask questions. And if there is no money in the account, she might ask how they paid for the trip to Dubai.

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2021 09:41PM

gmisk wrote: »

Money? Tourism etc is big in UAE. Only requirement is negative test.

Well that seems silly.

gozunda · 03-04-2021 09:41PM

faceman wrote: »

All of those questions would be dismissed by the judge

Not necessarily. They claim not to be able to pay the cost of quarantine. And yet afforded multiple expensive trips to Dubai for non essential reasons. The prosecution should be able to come up with some interesting avenues with that tbf.

AlekSmart · 03-04-2021 09:47PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

windborne i'm guessing, it's like that movie The Fog.

Nah......I'm with Mel Brooks on this.....it's gotta be Blazing Saddles...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIP9KXdmO0

....have NPHET been made aware of the Brooks Variant ?

HBC08 · 03-04-2021 09:48PM

faceman wrote: »

They’re not on trial for how they could afford the trip, as questionable as it may be

If they weren’t on social welfare, would your view change or does social status play a part in the desire outcome of legal cases?

No,they'd still be a couple of selfish pr1cks.

AlekSmart · 03-04-2021 09:48PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Just a thought. Potentially involved with other high profile Irish ppl living in that region maybe??

Folly the Money ye mean ?

Away With The Fairies · 03-04-2021 09:49PM

gmisk wrote: »

I just saw footage of the two ones from Dubai, surprisingly enough both desperate to cover their faces.
Seriously though the lone parent allowance must be pretty generous if they can pop over twice in such a short amount of time to get boob jobs?!

Their address was printed in other news articles. One of them living in an apartment in temple bar. Checked daft for a similar property in same apartment building. 2300 euro a month in rent. Not cheap.

HBC08 · 03-04-2021 09:50PM

gally74 wrote: »

Boyle is a sold captain in the making

Haha! Are ya watching the Connacht game aswell?

Hurrache · 03-04-2021 09:52PM

faceman wrote: »

Not sure how I feel about it is relevant. I am internet in why you’re labelling 2 people you haven’t met as “two social welfare dependant skanks”. Your view on the case is prejudiced by your biases

But involving CAB? lol

Erm, they and their solicitors made the claim, apart from the skanks bit obviously.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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