Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

hotmail.com · 02-04-2021 07:51PM

SPDUB wrote: »

Not when they are coming back from cosmetic surgery trip in Dubai

That's no one else's business why they went.

Beechwoodspark · 02-04-2021 07:51PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's no one else's business why they went.

Non essential travel surely

saabsaab · 02-04-2021 07:53PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Who is that directed at?

Everyone, current regulations. No exemptions for non essential air travel.

tjhook · 02-04-2021 07:57PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

well that was a whole load of nonsense

Hi, having a a bad day?

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A, Gardai arent turning anyone back. You are advised to return home OR face a fine if you continue your journey

Yes, that's the current situation. I'm discussing what could be done if that was changed.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

B, Turn people back that are Irish residents and citizens is against human rights and the UN's 'right to return'. That wasnt well thought out at all.

So it might be considered... "critical"? Like I suggested travel for "critical purposes" should be allowed? Whereas traveling in or out of the country for a holiday isn't critical.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

C, for I dunno, the hundreth time maybe, 5km IS ONLY FOR EXERCISE. Nothing else, no other reason. Just exercise

That's the headline. I'm sure if I drive across the country to do my shopping (no exercise) the Gardai won't have any problem. Whatever about the headline, the reality is that no nonessential travel is being allowed outside of 5km.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

E, All persons within the state including those that have arrived are subject to the same level 5 restrictions so they can only travel to their residence, as you can.

Yes, and if that's the case there should be nobody arriving for a visit or a holiday. Since their home isn't here. Like I said.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Where is your logic in all of this?

Viewpoints contrary to your own can have logic too.

expectationlost · 02-04-2021 07:58PM

https://twitter.com/11SchillRob/status/1378044810104344577

gmisk · 02-04-2021 07:58PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why? The virus doesn’t respect passports

Exactly, makes no odds about their nationality.
Two eejits insta-huns travelling for cosmetic surgery ffs....

Two women arrested after refusing to go to quarantine hotel after returning from Dubai https://jrnl.ie/5399796

expectationlost · 02-04-2021 07:59PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's no one else's business why they went.

you accusing people of being nosy? :pac:

lawrencesummers · 02-04-2021 08:01PM

If they had the time and wherewithal to get the right legal advice this could have a very interesting outcome in light of the AG advice during the week on freedom of movement, but they probably don’t and won’t.

This could be a test case that ends the quarantined system, but chances are it will be adjourned.

ninebeanrows · 02-04-2021 08:04PM

If they going for that type of trip they might have the cash to pay for a good Legal Team.

This law is flawed i would suspect so if they willing to pay , they could make a fool of the state.

NeuralNetwork · 02-04-2021 08:08PM

[Sarcasm]

It’s important that we have a diplomatic negotiation with the virus and its representatives and even more important that everyone takes quarantine as a personal insult and throws a massive hissyfit, throwing their toys out of the pram and stamping their feet up and down threatening legal action.

That’s the best way of ensuring we don’t have to spend billions upon billions dealing with new strains and shutting down our economy over and over.

I mean imagine if we offended someone? Just look at how everyone’s up in arms condemning Australia and NZ for their unfriendly policies. They’ve been completely cut off from global trade, right?

[/sarcasm]

hotmail.com · 02-04-2021 08:25PM

One has to wonder why didn't the President refer the Bill to the Supreme Court.

02-04-2021 08:28PM

https://twitter.com/11SchillRob/status/1378050096043073543?s=19

lawrencesummers · 02-04-2021 08:32PM

So they travelled for medical reasons.....

gmisk · 02-04-2021 08:34PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So they travelled for medical reasons.....

I am not sure cosmetic surgery counts...but even if it does...they can't just skip quarantine because they feel like it

saabsaab · 02-04-2021 08:35PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

One has to wonder why didn't the President refer the Bill to the Supreme Court.

No constitutional issues?

lawrencesummers · 02-04-2021 08:37PM

gmisk wrote: »

I am not sure cosmetic surgery counts...but even if it does...they can't just skip quarantine because they feel like it

Surgery is a medical procedure.

Cosmetic surgery isn’t always a vanity decision. Most of the time it is, but not always.

faceman · 02-04-2021 08:38PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Stay at home except for essential reasons as the below taken from CI states.

'Stay at home, except:
For work, education or other essential reasons

To exercise within 5km of your home

Work from home, unless your work is an essential service that cannot be done from home.
You should not visit other households except for essential purposes. You can meet with one other household outdoors when taking exercise.'

Most would not have an essential reason to travel by air.

Just on the bit highlighted in bold. This isn’t being enforced and hasn’t been since lockdown 1. Not doubting the legitimacy of it, just pointing out the obvious

faceman · 02-04-2021 08:40PM

gmisk wrote: »

I am not sure cosmetic surgery counts...but even if it does...they can't just skip quarantine because they feel like it

It does count believe it or not.

Regardless of what is going on politically with MHQ the 2 women will be made an example of tomorrow.

02-04-2021 08:41PM

tjhook wrote: »

Hi, having a a bad day?

Yes, that's the current situation. I'm discussing what could be done if that was changed.

So it might be considered... "critical"? Like I suggested travel for "critical purposes" should be allowed? Whereas traveling in or out of the country for a holiday isn't critical.

That's the headline. I'm sure if I drive across the country to do my shopping (no exercise) the Gardai won't have any problem. Whatever about the headline, the reality is that no nonessential travel is being allowed outside of 5km.

Yes, and if that's the case there should be nobody arriving for a visit or a holiday. Since their home isn't here. Like I said.

Viewpoints contrary to your own can have logic too.

Logic remains absent.

When you have figured out the 5km limit correctly, we shall move to the next point.

02-04-2021 08:42PM

faceman wrote: »

It does believe it or not.

Regardless of what is going on politically with MHQ the 2 women will be made an example of tomorrow.

It does not. The regulations state ESSENTIAL surgery.

The word "essential" was inputted after the whole Spanish dental appointments fiasco

faceman · 02-04-2021 08:42PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Logic remains absent.

When you have figured out the 5km limit correctly, we shall move to the next point.

If I ever have the pleasure of meeting you I’m getting you a t-shirt that says “5km is for exercise only ya gob****es”

02-04-2021 08:43PM

faceman wrote: »

If I ever have the pleasure of meeting you I’m getting you a t-shirt that says “5km is for exercise only ya gob****es”

I'll wear it with my "it goes over your nose" mask ðŸ˜·

gmisk · 02-04-2021 08:43PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Surgery is a medical procedure.

Cosmetic surgery isn’t always a vanity decision. Most of the time it is, but not always.

A cosmetic surgery does tend to be for a non medical reason though...at least be honest..besides...it's irrelevant

It doesn't matter....they have to quarantine anyway.

Dempo1 · 02-04-2021 08:50PM

A little confused, was it not agreed Irish citizens would not have to Quarantine in a hotel, I recall quite a fuss between Stephen Donnelly and Simon Coveney over this, also there's serious legal questions over EU citizens being detained. The AG has also got involved raising serious concerns which by all accounts are being ignored by Stephen Donnelly.

Will be interesting to see what the Judge decides tomorrow. I sense there's going to be serious legal questions over this Mandatory Hotel Quarantine.

02-04-2021 08:56PM

Dempo1 wrote: »

A little confused, was it not agreed Irish citizens would not have to Quarantine in a hotel, I recall quite a fuss between Stephen Donnelly and Simon Coveney over this, also there's serious legal questions over EU citizens being detained. The AG has also got involved raising serious concerns which by all accounts are being ignored by Stephen Donnelly.

Will be interesting to see what the Judge decides tomorrow. I sense there's going to be serious legal questions over this Mandatory Hotel Quarantine.

The ag raised concerns about separation. All citizens being treated equally isn't a breach. No one is saying that after quarantine they can't reside here.

Slovakia had mandatory quarantine without issue and they are EU

faceman · 02-04-2021 09:13PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The ag raised concerns about separation. All citizens being treated equally isn't a breach. No one is saying that after quarantine they can't reside here.

Slovakia had mandatory quarantine without issue and they are EU

Slovakian citizens and residents can isolate at home though.

tjhook · 02-04-2021 09:22PM

faceman wrote: »

If I ever have the pleasure of meeting you I’m getting you a t-shirt that says “5km is for exercise only ya gob****es”

Do you honestly believe that if I drive across the country to point a telescope at the stars at a truly dark sky, and explain to the Gardai that's all I'm doing, I'll be told that's fine and allowed on my way? No exercise, just looking at the sky?

The letter of the law states exercise, but that's irrelevant if it's not what's being enforced.

From the Garda website:
"Some examples of breaches leading to FPNs in the last few days include:
• Checkpoint at Sean Moore Road, Ringsend. Driver of vehicle stated that he and two passengers travelled from Co. Meath to collect ‘burgers’ from a takeaway restaurant in Dublin 4 having travelled approximately 80km from home. All three occupants of car received a FPN."

I wouldn't categorise eating burgers as exercise... but I suppose it's subjective

02-04-2021 10:20PM

faceman wrote: »

Slovakian citizens and residents can isolate at home though.

now but it's the same thing anyway, equality of treatment is key.

tjhook wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that if I drive across the country to point a telescope at the stars at a truly dark sky, and explain to the Gardai that's all I'm doing, I'll be told that's fine and allowed on my way? No exercise, just looking at the sky?

The letter of the law states exercise, but that's irrelevant if it's not what's being enforced.

From the Garda website:
"Some examples of breaches leading to FPNs in the last few days include:
• Checkpoint at Sean Moore Road, Ringsend. Driver of vehicle stated that he and two passengers travelled from Co. Meath to collect ‘burgers’ from a takeaway restaurant in Dublin 4 having travelled approximately 80km from home. All three occupants of car received a FPN."

I wouldn't categorise eating burgers as exercise... but I suppose it's subjective

You really really don't get the point that is being made.

Let be see if I can clear it up.

Under level 5, no non essential travel is allowed.

Essential travel is allowed but there is no caveat on a set distance. If you genuinely need to go 80km for a particular essential item, then so be it. If you can get the item 1km away but choose to ignore 20 shops enroute for no reason then it's no longer essential.

The exception to this is exercise. Exercise is deemed essential but it's specifically limited to 5km in total. Doesn't matter what reason you have, that's the limit.

So, 5km for exercise, nothing else. All other reasons and distances are judged on their individual merits.

In the case of the burgers the process was this:

Gardai ascertain if the REASON for the travel was essential. Having established that food is indeed essential they then consider if the distance was reasonable having considered the situation. They deemed it was not. Was the fine paid? Was it challenged in court and won? I dunno.

In the car if star gazing the process is simile:

Gardai ascertain if the reason for the travel was essential. Having established that the reason is not essential, you get the ticket. Doesn't matter if you are only 1km away. If you admit your only looking at the stars, your getting fined it told to sod off home

tjhook · 02-04-2021 10:26PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You really really don't get the point that is being made.

Well I made the original point that we're being restricted to within 5km of home other than for essential reasons. You and another poster corrected me to say the 5km rule is for exercise only. I agreed that's the wording of the law but showed how it's being applied wider than just exercise.

If you have another point, I'm not seeing it. Please do explain.

lawrencesummers · 02-04-2021 10:31PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

It does not. The regulations state ESSENTIAL surgery.

The word "essential" was inputted after the whole Spanish dental appointments fiasco

Isnt essential a subjective term.

Sure it’s essential that you get a bullet removed from your stomach because you could die.

But somebody can argue that their visit to a medical professional is essential to their well being and mental health even if it’s not to resolve a life threatening issue.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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