Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

JP Liz V1 · 02-04-2021 02:16AM

Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

theguzman · 02-04-2021 03:20AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

FFG Cronies are generally too thick to be in the medical science field so they can't benefit, hotels on the other hand are the mainstay of corrupt developers all over the country.

faceman · 02-04-2021 05:51AM

saabsaab wrote: »

No doubt the variants came in by air the same everywhere. Defenders will argue.. In this order.

1) No need to stop air travel procedures etc will catch it before it spreads
2) When it arrives Ireland is at fault for allowing it to spread unhindered.
3) Too late now we may as well continue..

Repeat for each newly imported variant.

Which variants are you worried about and why?

YFlyer · 02-04-2021 07:03AM

Chivito550 wrote: »

Somebody please explain to me why Israel is on the list?

April Fools joke?

Due to Palestine?

Golfman64 · 02-04-2021 07:10AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

Would you accept the same treatment for people already living in Ireland and who have not travelled but test positive here?

Same for confirmed close contacts?

Red Silurian · 02-04-2021 09:14AM

YFlyer wrote: »

Due to Palestine?

Did they reopen the border between palestine and Israel to humans?

faceman · 02-04-2021 09:25AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

Given we know the goalposts have been changed by Donnelly to quarantine countries with high rates not just “variants of concern” (despite what was agreed), then we should be putting all positive cases and their close contacts in Ireland in quarantine

YFlyer · 02-04-2021 09:54AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Did they reopen the border between palestine and Israel to humans?

Don't know.

maestroamado · 02-04-2021 10:17AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

While I read that there's a New York variant now and there's no quarantine for them.

Whats new.... Are we not a kindof "a colony"
Biden is Irish and he loves us, we do not ask US Companies to pay tax..
If the soldiers want to have a big of chips they fly to Shannon...

Dyr · 02-04-2021 12:09PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html

Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.

is_that_so · 02-04-2021 12:14PM

Bambi wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html

Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.

Likely to be legal issues with applying it to EU countries. As for last year FG were never fans of the idea at all and argued it was a far smaller risk than locals not keeping away from each other.

faceman · 02-04-2021 12:21PM

Bambi wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html

Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.

Has she forgotten about the CTA and Northern Ireland border? :rolleyes:

Dyr · 02-04-2021 12:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Likely to be legal issues with applying it to EU countries. As for last year FG were never fans of the idea at all and argued it was a far smaller risk than locals not keeping away from each other.

Plenty of EU countries have broken its rules to no ill effect. Remind me what happened to Germany when they ignored the Dublin convention during the migrant crisis?

There's a mindset in government that they're just branch managers for Brussels.

Thats what happens when you built a monololithic Europe Union based around a political ideology rather than mutual interest.

JP Liz V1 · 02-04-2021 01:04PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Would you accept the same treatment for people already living in Ireland and who have not travelled but test positive here?

Same for confirmed close contacts?

I would assume they would quarantine at home and if not yes then force them, why go out spreading

expectationlost · 02-04-2021 01:11PM

government not even taking soft easy measure to put people off travelling (especially before xmas) as NPHET advised them to, they could run ads targeting (attempt to) Irish internet users in the UK warning against travelling for anything but absolutely necessity Ec6P0NIX0AIKWoN?format=png&name=900x900

https://t.co/cnf5sctbNg?amp=1

wes · 02-04-2021 01:12PM

The quarantine list is a joke.

Only exceptions that should be made is direct flights from countries that either have 0 covid, or have herd immunity via vaccines.

The current list is nonsense, as we have countries with far fewer cases on there, and other countries with a lot of cases not on the list.

The entire thing is farce, and it is clear the government have set this up to fail.

They need to do this properly ffs. We should have done this properly last year, we know it can work if done properly, but our government is determined for this to fail.

Would also need the North to follow the same list as a minimum, if not the entire UK.

Bit cynical · 02-04-2021 01:14PM

Bambi wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html

Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.

Not an epidemiologist but I doubt if she is correct on that. Numbers can build up rapidly from very few cases without any external sources. And then, of course, you have the open border with the North which renders travel restrictions to other countries futile.

Bit cynical · 02-04-2021 01:33PM

hmmm wrote: »

Now why are we blocking people from Israel, a country with much more people vaccinated, no unusual variants and a rapidly diminishing case count from entering this country without quarantining?

The government may want to send the message that vaccines are not a panacea, magic bullet etc. to the pandemic and that the extent of immunity from vaccinations is not, as yet, fully known.

Dyr · 02-04-2021 01:51PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

Not an epidemiologist but I doubt if she is correct on that. Numbers can build up rapidly from very few cases without any external sources. And then, of course, you have the open border with the North which renders travel restrictions to other countries futile.

Futile, eh? Interesting logic, lets apply it.

We have no control over airports which renders our lockdowns futile

tjhook · 02-04-2021 03:38PM

I find it strange that I can't travel more than a few KM from my home except for urgent matters, but anybody can enter the country for any reason (e.g. a holiday, visit, whatever) and is free to move about.

Perhaps the gardai could set up outside airports/ports and tun back anybody entering (not just those leaving) for non-critical purposes? I'm fairly confident that most people entering the country are traveling more than 5KM from the airport/port.

Alternatively, allow everybody to travel freely within the country, regardless of whether they live here or are visiting.

02-04-2021 07:16PM

tjhook wrote: »

I find it strange that I can't travel more than a few KM from my home except for urgent matters, but anybody can enter the country for any reason (e.g. a holiday, visit, whatever) and is free to move about.

Perhaps the gardai could set up outside airports/ports and tun back anybody entering (not just those leaving) for non-critical purposes? I'm fairly confident that most people entering the country are traveling more than 5KM from the airport/port.

Alternatively, allow everybody to travel freely within the country, regardless of whether they live here or are visiting.

well that was a whole load of nonsense

A, Gardai arent turning anyone back. You are advised to return home OR face a fine if you continue your journey

B, Turn people back that are Irish residents and citizens is against human rights and the UN's 'right to return'. That wasnt well thought out at all.

C, for I dunno, the hundreth time maybe, 5km IS ONLY FOR EXERCISE. Nothing else, no other reason. Just exercise

D, Returning to where you live is essential so anyone arriving into Dublin airport can only be directed to return home, where they are going anyway.

E, All persons within the state including those that have arrived are subject to the same level 5 restrictions so they can only travel to their residence, as you can.

Where is your logic in all of this?

saabsaab · 02-04-2021 07:25PM

Stay at home except for essential reasons as the below taken from CI states.

'Stay at home, except:

For work, education or other essential reasons
To exercise within 5km of your home

Work from home, unless your work is an essential service that cannot be done from home.
You should not visit other households except for essential purposes. You can meet with one other household outdoors when taking exercise.'

Most would not have an essential reason to travel by air.

Beechwoodspark · 02-04-2021 07:28PM

What’s all this about varadkar and Coveney blocking eu countries from being included on the quarantine list??

02-04-2021 07:30PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Stay at home except for essential reasons as the below taken from CI states.

'Stay at home, except:
For work, education or other essential reasons

To exercise within 5km of your home

Work from home, unless your work is an essential service that cannot be done from home.
You should not visit other households except for essential purposes. You can meet with one other household outdoors when taking exercise.'

Most would not have an essential reason to travel by air.

Who is that directed at?

hotmail.com · 02-04-2021 07:35PM

Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.

Beechwoodspark · 02-04-2021 07:41PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.

Why? The virus doesn’t respect passports

saabsaab · 02-04-2021 07:42PM

joseywhales wrote: »

How about,

4.) Variants will exist for the rest of human existence since this disease will become endemic, so disrupting all connection with the rest of the world is a pointless and costly endeavour.

How about we wait at least until the vaccines are rolled out so stopping any developing variants? Its not too long now.

hotmail.com · 02-04-2021 07:45PM

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why? The virus doesn’t respect passports

Well Simon Coveney said it does.. he says it's not fair for Irish people living in France or the US having to quarantine.

Even Sinn Fein today said there should be compassionate exemptions for people returning for funerals.

SPDUB · 02-04-2021 07:50PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.

Not when they are coming back from cosmetic surgery trip in Dubai

Beechwoodspark · 02-04-2021 07:51PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Well Simon Coveney said it does.. he says it's not fair for Irish people living in France or the US having to quarantine.

Even Sinn Fein today said there should be compassionate exemptions for people returning for funerals.

Yet that funeral goer may infect potentially 10s of ppl at the funeral who go on to spread it exponentially?

Crazy

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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