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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,717 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭theguzman


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

    FFG Cronies are generally too thick to be in the medical science field so they can't benefit, hotels on the other hand are the mainstay of corrupt developers all over the country.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    saabsaab wrote: »
    No doubt the variants came in by air the same everywhere. Defenders will argue.. In this order.


    1) No need to stop air travel procedures etc will catch it before it spreads
    2) When it arrives Ireland is at fault for allowing it to spread unhindered.
    3) Too late now we may as well continue..


    Repeat for each newly imported variant.

    Which variants are you worried about and why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Somebody please explain to me why Israel is on the list?

    April Fools joke?

    Due to Palestine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

    Would you accept the same treatment for people already living in Ireland and who have not travelled but test positive here?

    Same for confirmed close contacts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,536 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Due to Palestine?

    Did they reopen the border between palestine and Israel to humans?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Can we just test everyone on arrival from anywhere and if positive then mandatory quarantine

    Given we know the goalposts have been changed by Donnelly to quarantine countries with high rates not just “variants of concern” (despite what was agreed), then we should be putting all positive cases and their close contacts in Ireland in quarantine


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Did they reopen the border between palestine and Israel to humans?

    Don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    While I read that there's a New York variant now and there's no quarantine for them.


    Whats new.... Are we not a kindof "a colony"
    Biden is Irish and he loves us, we do not ask US Companies to pay tax..
    If the soldiers want to have a big of chips they fly to Shannon...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html


    Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bambi wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html


    Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.
    Likely to be legal issues with applying it to EU countries. As for last year FG were never fans of the idea at all and argued it was a far smaller risk than locals not keeping away from each other.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Bambi wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html


    Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.

    Has she forgotten about the CTA and Northern Ireland border? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Likely to be legal issues with applying it to EU countries. As for last year FG were never fans of the idea at all and argued it was a far smaller risk than locals not keeping away from each other.

    Plenty of EU countries have broken its rules to no ill effect. Remind me what happened to Germany when they ignored the Dublin convention during the migrant crisis?

    There's a mindset in government that they're just branch managers for Brussels.

    Thats what happens when you built a monololithic Europe Union based around a political ideology rather than mutual interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,717 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Would you accept the same treatment for people already living in Ireland and who have not travelled but test positive here?

    Same for confirmed close contacts?

    I would assume they would quarantine at home and if not yes then force them, why go out spreading

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,606 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    government not even taking soft easy measure to put people off travelling (especially before xmas) as NPHET advised them to, they could run ads targeting (attempt to) Irish internet users in the UK warning against travelling for anything but absolutely necessity Ec6P0NIX0AIKWoN?format=png&name=900x900https://t.co/cnf5sctbNg?amp=1


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    The quarantine list is a joke.

    Only exceptions that should be made is direct flights from countries that either have 0 covid, or have herd immunity via vaccines.

    The current list is nonsense, as we have countries with far fewer cases on there, and other countries with a lot of cases not on the list.

    The entire thing is farce, and it is clear the government have set this up to fail.

    They need to do this properly ffs. We should have done this properly last year, we know it can work if done properly, but our government is determined for this to fail.

    Would also need the North to follow the same list as a minimum, if not the entire UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    Bambi wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sensible-to-add-france-and-germany-to-hotel-quarantine-over-south-african-variant-prof-says-1105542.html


    Lockdown could have been avoided if we had imposed travel restrictions last summer. Government was willing to put the whole country under house arrest rather than risk annoying the EU. Still seems to be the priority.
    Not an epidemiologist but I doubt if she is correct on that. Numbers can build up rapidly from very few cases without any external sources. And then, of course, you have the open border with the North which renders travel restrictions to other countries futile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    hmmm wrote: »
    Now why are we blocking people from Israel, a country with much more people vaccinated, no unusual variants and a rapidly diminishing case count from entering this country without quarantining?
    The government may want to send the message that vaccines are not a panacea, magic bullet etc. to the pandemic and that the extent of immunity from vaccinations is not, as yet, fully known.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Not an epidemiologist but I doubt if she is correct on that. Numbers can build up rapidly from very few cases without any external sources. And then, of course, you have the open border with the North which renders travel restrictions to other countries futile.

    Futile, eh? Interesting logic, lets apply it.

    We have no control over airports which renders our lockdowns futile


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭tjhook


    I find it strange that I can't travel more than a few KM from my home except for urgent matters, but anybody can enter the country for any reason (e.g. a holiday, visit, whatever) and is free to move about.

    Perhaps the gardai could set up outside airports/ports and tun back anybody entering (not just those leaving) for non-critical purposes? I'm fairly confident that most people entering the country are traveling more than 5KM from the airport/port.

    Alternatively, allow everybody to travel freely within the country, regardless of whether they live here or are visiting.


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  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tjhook wrote: »
    I find it strange that I can't travel more than a few KM from my home except for urgent matters, but anybody can enter the country for any reason (e.g. a holiday, visit, whatever) and is free to move about.

    Perhaps the gardai could set up outside airports/ports and tun back anybody entering (not just those leaving) for non-critical purposes? I'm fairly confident that most people entering the country are traveling more than 5KM from the airport/port.

    Alternatively, allow everybody to travel freely within the country, regardless of whether they live here or are visiting.

    well that was a whole load of nonsense

    A, Gardai arent turning anyone back. You are advised to return home OR face a fine if you continue your journey

    B, Turn people back that are Irish residents and citizens is against human rights and the UN's 'right to return'. That wasnt well thought out at all.

    C, for I dunno, the hundreth time maybe, 5km IS ONLY FOR EXERCISE. Nothing else, no other reason. Just exercise

    D, Returning to where you live is essential so anyone arriving into Dublin airport can only be directed to return home, where they are going anyway.

    E, All persons within the state including those that have arrived are subject to the same level 5 restrictions so they can only travel to their residence, as you can.

    Where is your logic in all of this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Stay at home except for essential reasons as the below taken from CI states.


    'Stay at home, except:
    Work from home, unless your work is an essential service that cannot be done from home.
    You should not visit other households except for essential purposes. You can meet with one other household outdoors when taking exercise.'


    Most would not have an essential reason to travel by air.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    What’s all this about varadkar and Coveney blocking eu countries from being included on the quarantine list??


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Stay at home except for essential reasons as the below taken from CI states.


    'Stay at home, except:
    Work from home, unless your work is an essential service that cannot be done from home.
    You should not visit other households except for essential purposes. You can meet with one other household outdoors when taking exercise.'


    Most would not have an essential reason to travel by air.

    Who is that directed at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

    They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

    Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

    They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

    Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.

    Why? The virus doesn’t respect passports


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    How about,

    4.) Variants will exist for the rest of human existence since this disease will become endemic, so disrupting all connection with the rest of the world is a pointless and costly endeavour.


    How about we wait at least until the vaccines are rolled out so stopping any developing variants? Its not too long now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why? The virus doesn’t respect passports

    Well Simon Coveney said it does.. he says it's not fair for Irish people living in France or the US having to quarantine.

    Even Sinn Fein today said there should be compassionate exemptions for people returning for funerals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    Indo has a story about 2 women refusing to go to the quarantine being arrested.

    They will appear in court tomorrow. Interesting to see what the judge makes of it.

    Irish citizens should be allowed to go home in peace.

    Not when they are coming back from cosmetic surgery trip in Dubai


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Well Simon Coveney said it does.. he says it's not fair for Irish people living in France or the US having to quarantine.

    Even Sinn Fein today said there should be compassionate exemptions for people returning for funerals.

    Yet that funeral goer may infect potentially 10s of ppl at the funeral who go on to spread it exponentially?

    Crazy


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