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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP
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Reading back on the post you had responded to, I guess I was actually having a slightly different conversation with youpurplefields wrote: »I posted a simplifed version of it because of the nature of this thread. I don't believe I posted that a 'single mutation at random will create a new variant that can evade the immune system in a vaccinated individual' Although, is this possible? Afterall, the single Eeek mutation is found in more than one variant and is causing havoc.
However, the basic premise is correct, is it not?
Regarding comparison to other virus, it might me worth also noting that cv is a single strand RNA virus, so more likely to have mutations compared to DNA virus. Consider also how contagious it is. This is also a factor when analysing mutations. (More people infected = more scope for new variants)
I was referring more to your original assertion that the virus would continuously mutate to evade the vaccines.
One way or another evolution requires time. The existence of a vaccine doesn't imply that evolution will "find a way", it merely gives us an idea of which mutations are most likely to start appearing.
But the vaccine starves evolution of time. For example, if our atmosphere suddenly became poisoned with a toxic substance (say from a massive volcanic explosion) that didn't immediately kill us but took about 15 years to cause death, then we as a species would be finished. As an organism we would require hundreds, probably thousands of generations to "evolve" ourselves out of the problem, develop resistance to this toxin. And that window would be gone. Humanity might be able to muster 2 or 3 new generations before we all eventually died. Even the more robust individuals who might survive a year or two longer than others, will die.
This is the time aspect to evolution, and the equivalent of vaccination from the point of view of a virus; their environment is suddenly lethal to them and every new environment they move to is equally lethal.
This is another reason why 'flu is different; there are always plenty of new environments that are less lethal and provide a long evolutionary window for it. We vaccinate vulnerable individuals only. If as a species we could pull off an aggressive global vaccine rollout for the 'flu over a period of years, we could theoretically eliminate it.
The main focus around variants is not to look at Israel to make sure immunity "holds", but to look to un(der)vaccinated populations to see what emerges from there, as these are main sources of new variants. If there is sufficient time allowed, than what may emerge is basically a brand new infection (think Sars-CoV-3) that kicks off the whole game again.0 -
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Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!
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podgeandrodge wrote: »Very large amount of people last night coming from one of the pubs in Rathfarnham Village with takeaway Guinness. Groups of 5-6 blokes, and groups of women all carrying holders with 4 pints in them in plastic glasses (yuk).
I wouldn't care less if they were all heading off to a field to drink them, but it's more likely that they were all heading to houses for a shin dig. Unfortunately that slows things down for everyone else hoping to get out of this shítfest. But the pub was doing a roaring trade. €5.50 for Guinness in a milkshake container wouldn't be to my liking but I guess many Guinness drinkers prefer that to the cans. (Heineken was €6, I'd be just getting bottles in the local supermarket myself).
I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed
No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World
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I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed
discouraged. And as Edz87 says, not within 100 metres for consumption.BobbyMalone wrote: »Judging from the state of the parks and open green areas around Rathfarnham village of late, I imagine there's a strong possibility that they were drinking outside. Which is good of course (as you say, less chance of slowing things down for the rest of us) I just wish people would pick up after themselves.
And on off-licence on the same street!
Yeah probably a bit of both. Most of the older people I saw (around 8pm last night) didn't look like they were looking for a field. But there are definitely groups of younger lads drinking in the green areas, especially behind the church on main street. The green hill area behind main street was littered with chinese take away cartons, beer cans etc. presumably from a party the night before. I'd love to see those fúckers caught and given a hiding, the state of the place they left it in.0 -
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I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed
It's a bit complex, they're basically operating as off licenses. Once you are more than 100 meters from their propriety you're not their problem anymore (which is fair enough, if you ask me). Some are "pretend off licenses" more than others (for example Brewdog pour into cans and then seal them).
Depending on which city you live drinking in public it's not allowed, but that's for the gards to enforce. The pubs are selling them with a "only drink them at your place wink wink". I don't really see the difference with off licenses outside of them being more expansive and having a better Guinness.
Martin said "forget about takeaway pints" in January, and pretty much all pubs closed down at the time, but no legislation was brought forward to ban takeaway pints (probably because it would be a political minefield, and also because... cans) so a lot started to open back thanks to the nice weather on the week leading to paddy's day.0
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