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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

    LOL a virus going around
    Called
    COVID19
    And then to prescribe antibiotics .

    I’d be insisting on a test and then changing GPs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

    That GP needs a brain scan...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I posted a simplifed version of it because of the nature of this thread. I don't believe I posted that a 'single mutation at random will create a new variant that can evade the immune system in a vaccinated individual' Although, is this possible? Afterall, the single Eeek mutation is found in more than one variant and is causing havoc.

    However, the basic premise is correct, is it not?

    Regarding comparison to other virus, it might me worth also noting that cv is a single strand RNA virus, so more likely to have mutations compared to DNA virus. Consider also how contagious it is. This is also a factor when analysing mutations. (More people infected = more scope for new variants)
    Reading back on the post you had responded to, I guess I was actually having a slightly different conversation with you :D
    I was referring more to your original assertion that the virus would continuously mutate to evade the vaccines.

    One way or another evolution requires time. The existence of a vaccine doesn't imply that evolution will "find a way", it merely gives us an idea of which mutations are most likely to start appearing.

    But the vaccine starves evolution of time. For example, if our atmosphere suddenly became poisoned with a toxic substance (say from a massive volcanic explosion) that didn't immediately kill us but took about 15 years to cause death, then we as a species would be finished. As an organism we would require hundreds, probably thousands of generations to "evolve" ourselves out of the problem, develop resistance to this toxin. And that window would be gone. Humanity might be able to muster 2 or 3 new generations before we all eventually died. Even the more robust individuals who might survive a year or two longer than others, will die.

    This is the time aspect to evolution, and the equivalent of vaccination from the point of view of a virus; their environment is suddenly lethal to them and every new environment they move to is equally lethal.

    This is another reason why 'flu is different; there are always plenty of new environments that are less lethal and provide a long evolutionary window for it. We vaccinate vulnerable individuals only. If as a species we could pull off an aggressive global vaccine rollout for the 'flu over a period of years, we could theoretically eliminate it.

    The main focus around variants is not to look at Israel to make sure immunity "holds", but to look to un(der)vaccinated populations to see what emerges from there, as these are main sources of new variants. If there is sufficient time allowed, than what may emerge is basically a brand new infection (think Sars-CoV-3) that kicks off the whole game again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

    Jesus, I pray that nobody I know has the same doctor as your eldest child.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    Jesus, I pray that nobody I know has the same doctor as your eldest child.

    Although there is a virus going round that is not Covid. Either that or we have that variant which is escaping PCR tests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!
    Change GPs today and get a referral for a test. Our GP agreed our child's cough was likely just a cold, but that he was required to refer for a test based on the clinical guidance.

    The incompetence of some GPs is absolutely staggering. I have lost a lot of faith in our primary care system during this pandemic.

    The head of the Alliance of Family Doctors in Ireland runs a clinic in Terenure with a LOT of elderly patients as it's an older area.
    Medical card patients (i.e. over 70s) who require an appointment are forced to queue outside the surgery in the afternoon to get an appointment to see the doctor. You can't ring up because the secretary claims to be "too busy to answer the phone".
    Private patients don't have to queue, they can get an appointment at will.

    This has been going on for years, but has persisted through Covid. The most vulnerable people in the population, require to leave their house and queue outside during all weathers to get basic medical care.

    Perhaps naively I would have always put good stock in the work ethic of GPs, but my eyes have really been opened to just how many terrible doctors we have serving the general public.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hospitalised patients down again to 264 & 61 in ICU today says Paul Reid. Lowest since Christmas Day.


    https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1377896067103084545


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,879 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    This is an interesting analogy.

    However, is it not the case that with vaccinated people, the vaccines do not quite totally eradicate the virus? I found this video explains it (efficacy) well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A

    There are people who think that if you have a vaccine the virus ignores you. They forget that for the vaccine to work you actually have to catch the virus. You have to be infected.

    What the vaccine essentially does is give your immune system the tools it needs to fight the virus. So you might not develop symptoms or if you do they would probably be mild.

    One thing I've been wondering about wrt to the vaccines is how it affects developing long covid. There have been many sufferers of long covid who were asymptomatic when they were infected. And some figures are suggesting that as much as 20% of people who are infected will develop some form of long covid.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    My mother (80) having vaccination tomorrow (about bleedin time). Lives on southside not far from Aviva, but has to go to DCU Helix. Can't understand why they would not be able to accomodate people in their own side of the city.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

    LOL a virus going around
    Called
    COVID19
    And then to prescribe antibiotics .

    I’d be insisting on a test and then changing GPs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    My mother (80) having vaccination tomorrow (about bleedin time). Lives on southside not far from Aviva, but has to go to DCU Helix. Can't understand why they would not be able to accomodate people in their own side of the city.

    Because her practise is too small so they've had to partner up with other practises in Dublin and the Helix is the location for this in Dublin


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Very large amount of people last night coming from one of the pubs in Rathfarnham Village with takeaway Guinness. Groups of 5-6 blokes, and groups of women all carrying holders with 4 pints in them in plastic glasses (yuk).

    I wouldn't care less if they were all heading off to a field to drink them, but it's more likely that they were all heading to houses for a shin dig. Unfortunately that slows things down for everyone else hoping to get out of this shítfest. But the pub was doing a roaring trade. €5.50 for Guinness in a milkshake container wouldn't be to my liking but I guess many Guinness drinkers prefer that to the cans. (Heineken was €6, I'd be just getting bottles in the local supermarket myself).


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Because her practise is too small so they've had to partner up with other practises in Dublin and the Helix is the location for this in Dublin

    Ahh thanks, hadn't realised that it was specifically nominated as only centre for that. Pity they couldn't have had southside/northside process.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Very large amount of people last night coming from one of the pubs in Rathfarnham Village with takeaway Guinness. Groups of 5-6 blokes, and groups of women all carrying holders with 4 pints in them in plastic glasses (yuk).

    I wouldn't care less if they were all heading off to a field to drink them, but it's more likely that they were all heading to houses for a shin dig. Unfortunately that slows things down for everyone else hoping to get out of this shítfest. But the pub was doing a roaring trade. €5.50 for Guinness in a milkshake container wouldn't be to my liking but I guess many Guinness drinkers prefer that to the cans. (Heineken was €6, I'd be just getting bottles in the local supermarket myself).




    Lots of things that come into play here.


    One of them, IMO, is the vilification of young people sitting outdoors in a park enjoying themselves. There's nowhere else to go for them but inside, which is a much, much more dangerous activity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ahh thanks, hadn't realised that it was specifically nominated as only centre for that. Pity they couldn't have had southside/northside process.

    Would make sense alright. The Aviva is a MVC but I believe its just AstraZeneca being used there so no GPs injecting their own paitents there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭purplefields


    My mother (80) having vaccination tomorrow (about bleedin time). Lives on southside not far from Aviva, but has to go to DCU Helix. Can't understand why they would not be able to accomodate people in their own side of the city.

    Truly woeful.

    It's now April and all the over 80s still haven't been vaccinated. FFS.
    I thought you were going to say she lives down some inaccessible boreen somewhere. But no. Near the Aviva no less.

    A pity she's not friends with someone in the Beacon.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Lots of things that come into play here.


    One of them, IMO, is the vilification of young people sitting outdoors in a park enjoying themselves. There's nowhere else to go for them but inside, which is a much, much more dangerous activity.

    Yes, would agree with you. They encourage people to avoid being castigated for sitting outside having a few scoops. Instead, into a crowded house. Crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Truly woeful.

    It's now April and all the over 80s still haven't been vaccinated. FFS.
    I thought you were going to say she lives down some inaccessible boreen somewhere. But no. Near the Aviva no less.

    A pity she's not friends with someone in the Beacon.
    Over 80s are Pfizer. It's doing second shots as well off Q1 deliveries so has to be managed for a while longer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,432 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Yes, would agree with you. They encourage people to avoid being castigated for sitting outside having a few scoops. Instead, into a crowded house. Crazy.

    But how do we know they were definitely going to a crowded house?

    And your original post seemed to state that they will definitely all get covid if they do go to a house-party.

    I find myself not caring one iota what other people are up to with themselves at this stage, within reason of course.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Leinster game tonight Vs Toulon off now too, cos of positive test in French camp. Damn you covid, damn you. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    I wouldn't care less if they were all heading off to a field to drink them, but it's more likely that they were all heading to houses for a shin dig. Unfortunately that slows things down for everyone else hoping to get out of this shítfest.


    Judging from the state of the parks and open green areas around Rathfarnham village of late, I imagine there's a strong possibility that they were drinking outside. Which is good of course (as you say, less chance of slowing things down for the rest of us) I just wish people would pick up after themselves.

    But the pub was doing a roaring trade. €5.50 for Guinness in a milkshake container wouldn't be to my liking but I guess many Guinness drinkers prefer that to the cans. (Heineken was €6, I'd be just getting bottles in the local supermarket myself).


    And on off-licence on the same street!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

    Antibiotics don’t work on viruses! I wonder how long it’ll be before a series antibiotics resistant yoke appears.

    Movie title Planet of the apes the rise of MRSA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,838 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Totally disgusted, eldest has a cough since yesterday, kept her in her room and this morn had a temp. Rang doc and was told she has a "virus that is going around" but not covid and prescribed a mild steroid AND ANTIBIOTICS!!!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,760 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Very large amount of people last night coming from one of the pubs in Rathfarnham Village with takeaway Guinness. Groups of 5-6 blokes, and groups of women all carrying holders with 4 pints in them in plastic glasses (yuk).

    I wouldn't care less if they were all heading off to a field to drink them, but it's more likely that they were all heading to houses for a shin dig. Unfortunately that slows things down for everyone else hoping to get out of this shítfest. But the pub was doing a roaring trade. €5.50 for Guinness in a milkshake container wouldn't be to my liking but I guess many Guinness drinkers prefer that to the cans. (Heineken was €6, I'd be just getting bottles in the local supermarket myself).

    I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed :confused:

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed :confused:

    They are but you can't drink them within 100 meters of the pub afaik


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed :confused:

    discouraged. And as Edz87 says, not within 100 metres for consumption.
    Judging from the state of the parks and open green areas around Rathfarnham village of late, I imagine there's a strong possibility that they were drinking outside. Which is good of course (as you say, less chance of slowing things down for the rest of us) I just wish people would pick up after themselves.

    And on off-licence on the same street!

    Yeah probably a bit of both. Most of the older people I saw (around 8pm last night) didn't look like they were looking for a field. But there are definitely groups of younger lads drinking in the green areas, especially behind the church on main street. The green hill area behind main street was littered with chinese take away cartons, beer cans etc. presumably from a party the night before. I'd love to see those fúckers caught and given a hiding, the state of the place they left it in.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    107 cases in Northern Ireland today... 0.88% positivity rate, case rate of 45 per 100,000.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Except that all the people it was found in where dead and they showed up as clear on a pcr test when they were alive.

    Have you a source for that please? I don't see anything online about it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I thought takeaway pints wasn't allowed :confused:

    It's a bit complex, they're basically operating as off licenses. Once you are more than 100 meters from their propriety you're not their problem anymore (which is fair enough, if you ask me). Some are "pretend off licenses" more than others (for example Brewdog pour into cans and then seal them).
    Depending on which city you live drinking in public it's not allowed, but that's for the gards to enforce. The pubs are selling them with a "only drink them at your place wink wink". I don't really see the difference with off licenses outside of them being more expansive and having a better Guinness.

    Martin said "forget about takeaway pints" in January, and pretty much all pubs closed down at the time, but no legislation was brought forward to ban takeaway pints (probably because it would be a political minefield, and also because... cans) so a lot started to open back thanks to the nice weather on the week leading to paddy's day.


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