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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #2822
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Good post by reddit user oisin1001

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/mhyygc/i_hope_the_government_sticks_to_simple_and_clear/
    Well, it certainly allows people more optimism than something like this (blue bits number of vaccinations actually administered - just done by numbers, rather than division through groups).
    I'm sure there's a more recent graph somewhere, either with the increasingly tempered expectations or the highly optimistic quantities promised in recent days, but this one (from January) is easy to colour in and gives an idea of the number of people in the various cohorts (or, at least, I had assumed the yellow bars were equal.. Maybe that was foolish..)...


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  • #2823
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    gctest50 wrote: »
    They do

    But smallpox is the only human disease that has been successfully eradicated

    Jesus christ. :rolleyes: Spanish flu is still knocking about but nobody gives it a second thought. Eradication is not the goal.


  • #2824
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    SortingYouOut wrote: »
    Luckily we're not aiming to eradicate Covid, as it would be near impossible. Unfortunately we haven't eradicated smallpox either but we have made it a non issue, which Covid will soon become. Smallpox can still resurge, so we still keep an eye.

    Smallpox has been effectively eradicated. There are samples of the virus held in two locked vaults, one in USA and one in Russia. Otherwise there have been no cases reported anywhere in the world in the last 40 years.


  • #2825
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,517 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, it certainly allows people more optimism than something like this (blue bits number of vaccinations actually administered - just done by numbers, rather than division through groups).
    I'm sure there's a more recent graph somewhere, either with the increasingly tempered expectations or the highly optimistic quantities promised in recent days, but this one (from January) is easy to colour in and gives an idea of the number of people in the various cohorts (or, at least, I had assumed the yellow bars were equal.. Maybe that was foolish..)...


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    Am I missing something here?

    Are all over 70s vaccinated as per table?

    Edit- get it now.


  • #2826
    External Association
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Maybe Dublin will be kicked out, give other counties a chance :P

    No one would want to win it with no Dublin, be meaningless.


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  • #2827
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Worrying statistic, I wouldn't doubt either. Heard of a few younger people I know struggling with the virus.

    https://twitter.com/Dr2NisreenAlwan/status/1377569462749175809


  • #2828
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,517 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Worrying statistic, I wouldn't doubt either. Heard of a few younger people I know struggling with the virus.

    https://twitter.com/Dr2NisreenAlwan/status/1377569462749175809

    So same as most viruses.


  • #2829
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So same as most viruses.

    Thank you for your contribution... clown!


  • #2830
    Turtwig
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So same as most viruses.

    What's your smallest % estimate for people infected with covid who will require longer term supports for COVID? Now, consider the number of people actually infected and those that could yet be infected.

    This isn't rocket science. Post viral covid symptoms may even be less likely than other viruses to which you are referring. However, the trouble is just about the entire population is susceptible to COVID. Few other viruses have that going for them.

    I really find it difficult to understand why people are so dismissive of the potential burden of long COVID. Even a 1,000 people requiring these supports will have significant knock back on the health service availability to everyone else.


  • #2831
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    I really wonder about what passes for journalism in Ireland. The take on this latest Barney between cov and Donnelly on Rte is not what the killer bees could do to the country but the personality clash between ministers.

    The anti quarantine wing of the government are saying is that the can’t upset the tourists and student but they can lockdown the citizens of this state instead


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  • #2832
    namloc1980
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    I presume Israel being on the list is an April Fools joke.

    .


  • #2833
    [Deleted User]
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Worrying statistic, I wouldn't doubt either. Heard of a few younger people I know struggling with the virus.

    https://twitter.com/Dr2NisreenAlwan/status/1377569462749175809

    Yes, but replace deaths with long Covid and it still changes the equation that justifies restrictions. It’s rational to substantially restrict economic activity if the other side of the equation is Covid deaths. Not if what is on the other side if it is long Covid

    People like this are completely oblivious to that reality


  • #2834
    [Deleted User]
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I presume Israel being on the list is an April Fools joke.

    .

    This list is actually a joke, right? Israel?!

    But dammit, Aruba is nice, right? Would have been a good vacation spot


  • #2835
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    I presume Israel being on the list is an April Fools joke.

    .

    Hard to really know. Israel have an excellent vaccination program but it's also heavily segregated. Would love to see if they've published official rationale behind each of those countries listed and what exactly is given for Israel's inclusion.

    Then I'd love to see what the unofficial off the record reasoning is. :pac:


  • #2836
    Banana Republic 1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, but replace deaths with long Covid and it still changes the equation that justifies restrictions. It’s rational to substantially restrict economic activity if the other side of the equation is Covid deaths. Not if what is on the other side if it is long Covid

    People like this are completely oblivious to that reality


    Says someone who probably hasn’t encountered long covid.


  • #2837
    [Deleted User]
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    What's your smallest % estimate for people infected with covid who will require longer term supports for COVID? Now, consider the number of people actually infected and those that could yet be infected.

    This isn't rocket science. Post viral covid symptoms may even be less likely than other viruses to which you are referring. However, the trouble is just about the entire population is susceptible to COVID. Few other viruses have that going for them.

    I really find it difficult to understand why people are so dismissive of the potential burden of long COVID. Even a 1,000 people requiring these supports will have significant knock back on the health service availability to everyone else.

    Do you spend as much time worrying about obesity, drinking culture, mental health, sedentary lifestyles etc etc? There seems to be this perception that the adult population of Ireland was largely fit and healthy both physically and mentally before Covid19. We're going to have huge health problems to contend with in this country over the coming decades. The difference is most of them are caused by things that generate a lot of taxes so there's not much incentive to solve them.


  • #2838
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Hard to really know. Israel have an excellent vaccination program but it's also heavily segregated. Would love to see if they've published official rationale behind each of those countries listed and what exactly is given for Israel's inclusion.

    Then I'd love to see what the unofficial off the record reasoning is. :pac:

    Assuming it's to do with Palestine


  • #2839
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Hard to really know. Israel have an excellent vaccination program but it's also heavily segregated. Would love to see if they've published official rationale behind each of those countries listed and what exactly is given for Israel's inclusion.

    Then I'd love to see what the unofficial off the record reasoning is. :pac:

    They added Mauritius to the first list despite it having practically no cases because the UK had it on their list (due to a political dispute).

    At least now they have removed Mauritius.

    Don't assume there is any rationale.


  • #2840
    h2005
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    He explains on a follow up tweet that Israel’s incidence rate is similar to our own. Do we have to quarantine if we’re travelling the other way?


  • #2841
    [Deleted User]
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    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Says someone who probably hasn’t encountered long covid.

    That’s irrelevant


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  • #2842
    wadacrack
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So same as most viruses.

    I wouldn't be so dismissive of this. Its quite ignorant. This virus is only around we dont know the potential long term impact it may hve on people's health. It seems that a cohort of people just want to recognize this and instead feel they need to dismiss it if its brought up. Its bizarre tbh


  • #2843
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Do you spend as much time worrying about obesity, drinking culture, mental health, sedentary lifestyles etc etc? There seems to be this perception that the adult population of Ireland was largely fit and healthy both physically and mentally before Covid19. We're going to have huge health problems to contend with in this country over the coming decades. The difference is most of them are caused by things that generate a lot of taxes so there's not much incentive to solve them.


    I don't get your point here at all.

    Ireland already has a mental health epidemic.
    Alcohol is definitely a problem.
    Obesity is also a problem.

    You seem to be saying that because these are problems it's ok to add to another problem such as long COVID and just deal with it?

    Which btw I don't even know if long COVID will be a problem. I just find it really strange how dismissive people are of it like it's potentially nothing. That certainty of conviction I find kind of scary.


  • #2844
    Banana Republic 1
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That’s irrelevant

    Says someone who probably hasn’t encountered long covid.


  • #2845
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,282 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I think the worst one is the Philippines given that so many of our healthcare workers come from there.
    They have the equivalent of 200 cases per day in terms of Irish population.

    Donnelly has also said that vaccinated flyers will not be exempt from Hotel quarantine so a lot Filipino nurses who are fully vaccinated and have maybe taken a few weeks off to visit home will now have to take an extra 2 weeks off and pay €2k for the pleasure.


  • #2846
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    What were the players supposed to do ? Sit around and wait for the North to bail out these useless ***** down here with vaccines ?


  • #2847
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Says someone who probably hasn’t encountered long covid.

    Do you want to point out what part of my post you disagree with?

    Like in a normal adult conversation?


  • #2848
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,755 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    h2005 wrote: »
    He explains on a follow up tweet that Israel’s incidence rate is similar to our own. Do we have to quarantine if we’re travelling the other way?

    Which tweet is this ?

    Edit- never mind saw it


  • #2849
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭h2005


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Which tweet is this ?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1377712960341225472?s=21


  • #2850
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So same as most viruses.

    Not really. There are more of them and the impact has repercussions for the health service not seen with most other viruses.

    I take it you haven't seen first hand what long covid actually entails.


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  • #2851
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Not really. There are more of them and the impact has repercussions for the health service not seen with most other viruses.

    I take it you haven't seen first hand what long covid actually entails.

    Do you think that if we get deaths right down, then long Covid alone is enough to justify ongoing restrictions (with all the impacts on public health that result)?

    And if so, what restrictions do you think present an appropriate balance?


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