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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #2672
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    h2005 wrote: »
    Depends very much on who had access. Surely most staff have ID and a staff number?

    Not all healthcare workers work for the HSE and not all are registered. A care assistant that acts as a contractors is a healthcare worker but wouldn't have a professional registration or staff number. There is no centralised register of HCWs

    We wouldn't needed a system (like a national ID system) that tied people to their occupation set up and running long before covid for this to work and prevent abuse.


  • #2673
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    A website allowing for everyone to register for a Covid vaccine will be available within two or three weeks, the Taoiseach has told the Dáil.

    The portal will be available to allow everyone to apply from mid-April or the third week of next month, Micheál Martin told Deputies.

    He said the aim was to have 80 per cent of the population vaccinated by the end of June, and not just offered the vaccine.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/everyone-will-be-able-to-register-for-their-vaccine-jab-on-new-online-portal-by-third-week-of-april-taoiseach-40260994.html

    I can see this website crashing the first day it launches.


  • #2674
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    When they say 80% of the population vaccinated by the end of June. Do they mean 80% of adults or 80% of the entire population?


  • #2675
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭h2005


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I can see this website crashing the first day it launches.

    Guaranteed


  • #2676
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,734 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    When they say 80% of the population vaccinated by the end of June. Do they mean 80% of adults or 80% of the entire population?

    wondering that myself if it's 80% Adults than what about the other 20% ?

    We need to reach that target either way, no bs or pissing about.


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  • #2677
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,407 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    wondering that myself if it's 80% Adults than what about the other 20% ?

    We need to reach that target either way, no bs or pissing about.

    Are the adults who they can't get the vaccine eg. pregnant women (unless they have changed that)


  • #2678
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    4 million tests is a failure.

    800 000 tests per million people, or 80% of the population.

    I think once the initial difficulties were overcome, testing has been the one thing that's worked great. It's quick to get a test (and results) - even when close contact testing had to be suspended during the Christmas chaos, almost everyone who needed a test still got one.

    I'm sure someone will say "but country X has tested x more people", but I still think there's little to complain about the actual testing in Ireland.


  • #2679
    Markus Antonius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius




    George Lee will have a lot to answer for after this is all over. He has now made it abundantly clear why he left politics so quickly after he was elected as a Fine Gael politician - he realised that he would never have as much power over people as he did as a journalist.


  • #2680
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    h2005 wrote: »
    Guaranteed

    To be fair, the likes of Disney had crashes, when their new Marvel shows dropped on Disney plus, with plenty of other example of large well funded companies having the same issue.


  • #2681
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Ugh.. Not looking forward to seeing what hames of an IT system would appear. Probably requires a MyGodID or somesuch bollocks :(


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  • #2682
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    wondering that myself if it's 80% Adults than what about the other 20% ?

    We need to reach that target either way, no bs or pissing about.

    It’s only a single dose too isn’t it?

    Still good but no way we’re reaching it on time.


  • #2683
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    Given the seasonal nature of covid last year, last year being the only real example, the statistics modelling may be way off.

    Wonder what parameters were considered..

    Vaccinations
    Natural immunity
    Seasonal reduction in numbers.

    Or just the potential exponential growth factor.

    What are the % figures in relation to asymptomatic spread v symptomatic.

    Personally in no mad rush to escape lockdown. Lucky enough for me it's not too bad. Still the info tonight seemed a little heavy and the intent repetition about statisticians being involved.

    Seasonality doesn’t exist.
    Natural immunity didn’t make a difference in Brazil.
    Ireland doesn’t test asymptomatic people.


  • #2684
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Ugh.. Not looking forward to seeing what hames of an IT system would appear. Probably requires a MyGodID or somesuch bollocks :(

    Well be proactive then, register for mygov now while the system has low users.


  • #2685
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Very interesting paper in bmj. Covid is going to have a compounding effect on the already dysfunctional health system.

    Three major findings were found in this large study examining post-covid syndrome in 47 780 patients admitted to hospital with covid-19 in England, matched to controls. Firstly, admission to hospital for covid-19 was associated with an increased risk of readmission and death after discharge compared with individuals with similar personal and clinical characteristics in the general population over the same period. After admission to hospital for covid-19, 29% were readmitted and 12% died within a mean follow-up of 140 days. Secondly, rates of multiorgan dysfunction after discharge were raised in individuals with covid-19 compared with those in the matched control group, suggesting extrapulmonary pathophysiology. Diabetes and major adverse cardiovascular event were particularly common, whether incident or prevalent disease. Thirdly, the absolute risk of death, readmission, and multiorgan dysfunction after discharge was greater for individuals aged 70 or more than for those aged less than 70, and for individuals of white ethnic background than non-white individuals. Compared with outcome rates that might be expected to occur in these groups in the general population, however, younger patients and ethnic minority individuals had greater relative risks than those aged 70 or more and those in the white ethnic group, respectively.


    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1377413231027744780?s=20


  • #2686
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Except for facts. Where last week over 6,500 tests following contact tracing in 257 schools found only a 1.9% positive rate. That’s less than 1 in 50 children or teachers who have been exposed to a confirmed case going on to test positive.

    But everyone should plough on and make themselves feel better about themselves by piling on the 10% of the population who have 10% of cases

    Why don’t we put all the airport passengers into the schools so and they all be fine.


  • #2687
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    h2005 wrote: »
    So did they build a new system from scratch for the vaccination program or are they utilising an existing system?

    The HSE don’t have an existing system that why we all will have to register on the new website. Now it would make sense to use the dsp pps data but that why there not doing it, it makes sense.


  • #2688
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Seasonality doesn’t exist.
    Natural immunity didn’t make a difference in Brazil.
    Ireland doesn’t test asymptomatic people.

    Seasonality in the sense that during the winter more people are indoors in badly ventilated spaces. Immune system is lower during the winter months too. Last summer because everything was closed, people were meeting up outside so this probably helped in suppressing spread too.
    In Ireland, we can't wait to get outside when the weather improves, in warmer countries they tend to shelter indoors from the sun, often in air conditioned buildings, may explain the contuined spread (amongst other things) in countries like Brazil.


  • #2689
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Markus Antonius wrote: »


    George Lee will have a lot to answer for after this is all over. He has now made it abundantly clear why he left politics so quickly after he was elected as a Fine Gael politician - he realised that he would never have as much power over people as he did as a journalist.

    And he could continue to eat babies....


  • #2690
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    prunudo wrote: »
    Well be proactive then, register for mygov now while the system has low users.

    But doesn’t that require you to have a public services card which means a face to face interview with someone from social welfare to verify you are who you are.

    Despite the fact that someone may already have a passport and a drivers licence and a PPSN and have been paying tax here for decades. https://psc.gov.ie/how-to-apply/


  • #2691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Emma O'Kelly did a piece on the news showing that in most cases there were deemed to be no close contacts in most school cases pre Christmas. Clearly they don't treat school cases the same as everywhere else so the clear data is as clear as mud

    25 tests per school where contact tracing was carried out last week.

    Can argue about what was happening before Christmas, but current data suggests tracing is significant.


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  • #2692
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Seasonality doesn’t exist.
    Natural immunity didn’t make a difference in Brazil.
    Ireland doesn’t test asymptomatic people.

    Yes we do


  • #2693
    Hooked
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭Hooked


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    But doesn’t that require you to have a public services card which means a face to face interview with someone from social welfare to verify you are who you are. Despite the fact that someone may already have a passport and a drivers licence and a PPSN and have been paying tax here for decades.

    Yep! A public services card that cannot be got at the moment, as all face to face meetings are ‘postponed’. But you can walk into a coffee shop, Aldi, Halfords, etc..

    So I can’t renew my drivers licence online... I have to go to an RSA centre - as I can’t get my hands on the card.

    Only in Ireland.


  • #2694
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Why don’t we put all the airport passengers into the schools so and they all be fine.

    Because that is in anyway relevant how now!


  • #2695
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Hooked wrote: »
    Yep! A public services card that cannot be got at the moment, as all face to face meetings are ‘postponed’. But you can walk into a coffee shop, Aldi, Halfords, etc..

    So I can’t renew my drivers licence online... I have to go to an RSA centre - as I can’t get my hands on the card.

    Only in Ireland.

    It is absolutely ridiculous. Bureaucracy gone mad - in the same boat and cannot renew a licence online unless I have a full My Gov account which requires that face to face meeting for an application for the PPS card.

    The answer to all this is that the existing system is not fit for purpose. Far better to have a simple dedicated online system and to ask people to bring identification with them - similar to when we vote. The good vs the perfect.


  • #2696
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    But doesn’t that require you to have a public services card which means a face to face interview with someone from social welfare to verify you are who you are. Despite the fact that someone may already have a passport and a drivers licence and a PPSN and have been paying tax here for decades.

    Tbh, I've no idea whats involved, just making the point that people need to get on top of stuff in advance, all to easy to do nothing and then bitch and moan in 4 weeks time when you can't access a system. Maybe you won't need mygov registration but tbh, it's not bad thing to be signed up to anyway, never know when you may need to avail of any amount of welfare services.
    More and more government services are becoming digitised, rightly or wrongly its the way things are going.

    Edit, the extra posts happened as I was typing.
    Can they not do it over the phone, nearly sure I applied online for my card.


  • #2697
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    But doesn’t that require you to have a public services card which means a face to face interview with someone from social welfare to verify you are who you are.

    Despite the fact that someone may already have a passport and a drivers licence and a PPSN and have been paying tax here for decades. https://psc.gov.ie/how-to-apply/

    The system works !


  • #2698
    darem93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    Hooked wrote: »
    Yep! A public services card that cannot be got at the moment, as all face to face meetings are ‘postponed’. But you can walk into a coffee shop, Aldi, Halfords, etc..

    So I can’t renew my drivers licence online... I have to go to an RSA centre - as I can’t get my hands on the card.

    Only in Ireland.
    In the exact same boat myself with the drivers licence. How they've even put things like this on hold over this virus is just beyond me.

    And of course there will be a major backlog whenever they do start issuing them again, so no doubt - just like everything else in this country - it'll be even more months of waiting :rolleyes:


  • #2699
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It is absolutely ridiculous. Bureaucracy gone mad - in the same boat and cannot renew a licence online unless I have a full My Gov account which requires that face to face meeting for an application for the PPS card.
    I know of someone who got their licence extended by 8 months on account of COVID.


  • #2700
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes we do

    Now after 15 months of denial.


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  • #2701
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Very interesting paper in bmj. Covid is going to have a compounding effect on the already dysfunctional health system.





    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1377413231027744780?s=20

    Interesting
    comparable rates of organ dysfunction were found between patients with covid-19 and patients with pneumonia who were discharged from hospital in 2019


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