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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #2342
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Keyzer wrote: »
    I don't have to admit anything tbh. Its simple economics taught in secondary school - low supply and high demand = price increase.

    This is a temporary situation, covid restrictions have stopped building, prices will reduce/normalise once restrictions are relaxed and building of houses restarts. Thinking politicians are doing this on purpose to increase house prices is lunatic conspiracy theory territory.

    From personal experience, builders didn't give a toss about guidelines/precautions when they opened up building after lock down last year. I live on a partially completed building site, I seen this with my own eyes, not second hand gossip from the locals. Hence they were part of restrictions this time round, and rightly so in my opinion.

    Well I'm afraid the statistics prove otherwise, so your anecdotes are just anecdotes. Construction was not a big driver of transmission at all. HPSC stats back it up.


  • #2343
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ireland is alone. It’s an illusion that every EU country is just like Ireland.

    It’s top of the EU table for debt added due to Covid restrictions.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-to-have-highest-debt-per-head-in-europe-this-year-1.4503652%3fmode=amp

    How do you know its an illusion? Can you provide evidence? A before COVID snapshot?


  • #2344
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Nearly every country in Europe has amassed debt due to Covid. Debt per person per country has increased for nearly all countries in Europe due to Covid.

    Covid is a load of bjollox, its economic impact has been disastrous but we're not alone in our debt burden.

    I'd guess we are the leaders though in terms of debt accrued per capita.


  • #2345
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    This was my post a months ago.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116368511&postcount=813
    Its around 3.6 million adults.

    But we dont need to vaccinate all of these.

    We only need to concentrate on everyone over 65 which is 700k.

    Out of the current deaths 92% of them are in this age group 3780 out of 4109.

    We should just throw all our vaccines at this age group and not have tiers at all. I would even argue about vaccinating health care workers first.

    If we did this we could have all those over 65s done in 5 weeks @150,000 per week.

    Deaths and hospitalizations would drop like stone and we could reopen completely within this time.



    Absolutely delighted they have done away with the tiered system.

    We`ll be out of this much ,much faster if we concentrate on age rather than occupation and we get the vaccines in quick enough.

    Current figures are sitting at 4681 deaths of these 92% is in over 65s is 4306 / 374 deaths under 65s.

    It make absolute sense to vaccinate by age--open the vaccine centres 24/7 and we`ll be done of all over 65s in a month.


  • #2346
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,570 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong but you're saying the Government are preventing the building industry recommencing work in order to intentionally inflate housing prices?

    It's a nice added bonus. Listen, we have rip off prices for decades, this makes a lot of people happy... the decision is a government one, they make the decisions. Watch realestate4ransom on youtube and we can enter debate after that if you like...


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  • #2347
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    scamalert wrote: »
    where the fck do all these media journos get off :confused:

    They are not journalists they are reporters. They just report what they are told.
    None of them ask any questions or do any investigation off their own bat which is what journalists are supposed to do.


  • #2348
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    growleaves wrote: »
    My source is a poster on this thread, raind.

    I can't remember how much of a reduction he took. If he comes on and sees this we can ask him. I believe he has said he is in pharma or possibly something like medical devices - a health-adjacent industry which is booming.

    Hi grow - not big pharma, but med device

    20% for 3 months.

    In defence of the industry, sales went through the floor all of a sudden as procedures halted and cash flow was a major problem. I dont think this was widespread around the industry however. Some companies would have seen zero impact or even boomed as covid related healthcare spend ramped.

    Recovery on the second half of the year almost recouped what was lost and continues to surge with OT and hiring all the time, however there was no suggestion that the 20% may be returned. Corporates will do what corporates do - protect the bottom line. A lot of goodwill from employees has been lost however


  • #2349
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    This was my post a months ago.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116368511&postcount=813





    Absolutely delighted they have done away with the tiered system.

    We`ll be out of this much ,much faster if we concentrate on age rather than occupation and we get the vaccines in quick enough.

    Current figures are sitting at 4681 deaths of these 92% is in over 65s is 4306 / 374 deaths under 65s.

    It make absolute sense to vaccinate by age--open the vaccine centres 24/7 and we`ll be done of all over 65s in a month.

    You could already have outside hospitality with indoors ready by the end of April - and thats being cautious.


  • #2350
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Keyzer wrote: »
    I don't have to admit anything tbh. Its simple economics taught in secondary school - low supply and high demand = price increase.

    This is a temporary situation, covid restrictions have stopped building, prices will reduce/normalise once restrictions are relaxed and building of houses restarts. Thinking politicians are doing this on purpose to increase house prices is lunatic conspiracy theory territory.

    From personal experience, builders didn't give a toss about guidelines/precautions when they opened up building after lock down last year. I live on a partially completed building site, I seen this with my own eyes, not second hand gossip from the locals. Hence they were part of restrictions this time round, and rightly so in my opinion.

    But your own build is finished?
    So your allright Jack?

    You might have a different take on it if you were waiting for a completion.

    Evidence shows transmission levels are negligible onsite.
    The rest of Europe didn't consider building sites to be a problem area.
    In fact, a lot of countries didn't even closedown officially in Spring 2020 nevermind in 2021.

    Anyway, keep believing what you want about dirty builders causing covid and deserving to be shutdown, the stats say otherwise.


  • #2351
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    francogarbanzo wrote: »
    Same argument as "we're not in a real lockdown because we can still exercise and shop for groceries and some people are breaking the rules."

    What you responded to was a fact but you decided to have an argument.

    Very bizarre.


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  • #2352
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not saying they'd do it intentionally for personal gain
    Keyzer wrote: »
    Thinking politicians are doing this on purpose to increase house prices is lunatic conspiracy theory territory.

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  • #2353
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Corby Trouser Press wrote: »
    But your own build is finished?
    So your allright Jack?

    Exactly... I'm sorted and I'm laughing my arse off at everyone else suffering through this pandemic.

    In reality, my house was built 8 years before Covid reared its ugly head. But I guess you'll be p1ssed off in some way that I bought a house 8 years ago.

    Truth be told, you haven't a clue about anyone's personal circumstances other than you're own.


  • #2354
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Take a couple. Were spending 100 quid a week on a dinner and a few pints, another 50 on some nonsense fancy brunch that isn't even filling. That's 150 a week saved without trying. Add in a holiday and could easily see a couple save 10k last year.

    Different people are in different positions. I've been at both ends of the spectrum (the "normal" spectrum - not tens-of-millions wealthy or anything), and it is many magnitudes easier to accrue wealth when you're already doing okay.

    I could certainly see a couple who currently have €10k a year to spend on non-essentials managing to save during the pandemic, but they are in quite a different situation from a working-class couple with children who work minimum wage and who were previously just about getting by and managing to save enough for a week camping if the overtime was there.

    There are plenty of people in our society who can't just cut back on the brunches when times get tough. And most of them can't work from home.

    So while it's true that there are plenty of privileged middle-class people doing just fine, or even managing to save money they would otherwise have frittered away on leisure activities and convenience, and that their wealth increase would be reflected in the "stats", that does not at all capture the full picture, and it explicitly excludes people for whom the idea of "saving" was a distant aspiration even before their wages and potential for overtime were cut and they were plunged into uncertainty.


  • #2355
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,777 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Look at the second word in first three paragraphs: "Disgraceful", "scandalous", "shocking".

    For some reason I'm put in mind of that cartoonish Batman series from the 60s, "ka-pow!", "thwack!", "oof!" during the obligatory dust up between hero and villain.

    DublinLive dropped an almighty clanger with such shrill hyperbole, you can hear the "crash!" of their journalistic integrity.

    They never had any. They are a clickbait operation. How is that not obvious!?


  • #2356
    Corby Trouser Press
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Corby Trouser Press


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Exactly... I'm sorted and I'm laughing my arse off at everyone else suffering through this pandemic.

    In reality, my house was built 8 years before Covid reared its ugly head. But I guess you'll be p1ssed off in some way that I bought a house 8 years ago.

    Truth be told, you haven't a clue about anyone's personal circumstances other than you're own.

    Everyone is going through difficulties to some degree or another.

    Why would you support something (closing off access to house building) that is causing serious hardship and doing nothing to prevent transmission?

    It is just adding another layer to the misery with no benefit accruing.


  • #2357
    dublinbando
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭dublinbando


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    This stuff is getting ridiculous


  • #2358
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    dublinbando wrote: »
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    This stuff is getting ridiculous

    Logic was Covid's first victim.

    There is so much that is nonsensical to what we are doing. We are in the midst of a moment of mass hysteria being "led" by a bunch of spineless cowards. If this wasn't costing us billions of euros by the month, it would actually be hilarious.


  • #2359
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Logic was Covid's first victim.

    There is so much that is nonsensical to what we are doing. We are in the midst of a moment of mass hysteria being "led" by a bunch of spineless cowards. If this wasn't costing us billions of euros by the month, it would actually be hilarious.

    Logic and coping ability went out the window.

    Seen an ex NHS consultant on with Miriam O Callaghan one night, he said lockdowns should not be used as a long term measure as its crippling society. He said the age group where the deaths are occurring is unfortunately near end of life and the response should be targeted to specific groups.

    Miriam then asked on the verge of tears “what about all the dead people?”


  • #2360
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Logic and coping ability went out the window.

    Seen an ex NHS consultant on with Miriam O Callaghan one night, he said lockdowns should not be used as a long term measure as its crippling society. He said the age group where the deaths are occurring is unfortunately near end of life and the response should be targeted to specific groups.

    Miriam then asked on the verge of tears “what about all the dead people?”

    Your mistake is expecting Miriam to use anything other than emotion when making a point. She is utterly vacant otherwise


  • #2361
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Logic and coping ability went out the window.

    Seen an ex NHS consultant on with Miriam O Callaghan one night, he said lockdowns should not be used as a long term measure as its crippling society. He said the age group where the deaths are occurring is unfortunately near end of life and the response should be targeted to specific groups.

    Miriam then asked on the verge of tears “what about all the dead people?”

    It feels like we've been trying to cure mortality for a year now and I say that as someone who is terrified at the prospect of dying.

    Whenever anyone elderly died from the flu it was always said in a sympathetic, "oh well thats what happens" sort of manner. Now anyone elderly who dies from covid is met with anger and despair at a life cut short unnecessarily as if we can just stop respiratory infections in its tracks and the pitchforks come out to find who could have possibly infected them.

    When my grandmother died from the flu in November 2019 in her care home, she was among 10 or so others who all died within 2 weeks of eachother, I don't ever remember anyone launching an inquiry into who infected them nor was anyone seething with anger, it was an accepted reality. In a way, her dementia got so bad that it felt like she was put out of her misery.


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  • #2362
    RobitTV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭RobitTV


    Very interesting graph comparing the covid pandemic to other historical outbreaks. Here we have a list of the deadliest pandemics in history.

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  • #2363
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your mistake is expecting Miriam to use anything other than emotion when making a point. She is utterly vacant otherwise

    Yes, completely.


  • #2364
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,490 ✭✭✭✭km79


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Very interesting graph comparing the covid pandemic to other historical outbreaks

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    In fairness medical care/science has improved a little since The Plague !


  • #2365
    Pdoghue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Pdoghue


    Someone brought up the topic of Miriam.

    I've been steadily getting more irritated by RTE's coverage over the last few weeks. If you notice they are basically just mouthpieces for NEPHT (e.g. George Lee) and increasingly they are arguably breaching their public service remit in terms of having to provide balanced coverage. Perhaps they've been given a directive to urge cautious behaviour. An example was last night's TV news where they had interviews with sports people and kids coming back to play sports. At the end of the segment, the reporter inserted his tuppenceworth to the effect that, well sure the advice from NEPHT is obvious, any opening up of kids sports would 'obviously' cause numbers to increase. He said it at the end of the segment, so no one could challenge him. I heard another voxpop on Morning Ireland where they had a few kids on saying earnestly how the restrictions were wise and sensible. Hardly a representative voxpop. The slant this morning on Morning Ireland was that the opening up of restrictions was bordering on reckless.

    Nearly all RTE segments now and concluded with the presenter/reporter providing a sort of disclaimer to the effect that, well the restrictions are obviously correct, and that it's inevitable that the numbers/hospitalisations will increase if we loosen restrictions. I don't think that's a given at all based on where we are now with improving weather and increased numbers of people who are vaccinated.


  • #2366
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,535 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    dublinbando wrote: »
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    This stuff is getting ridiculous

    Just don't know anymore

    This is from our elected leaders, this is from our elected leaders

    Jesus christ farcical and a laughing stock


  • #2367
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Very interesting graph comparing the covid pandemic to other historical outbreaks. Here we have a list of the deadliest pandemics in history.

    ExUdjluXEAkaQ3h?format=jpg&name=900x900

    Quite strange to put the AIDS/HIV era in with all those considering all the very differing factors including how it's spread etc.


  • #2368
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    km79 wrote: »
    In fairness medical care/science has improved a little since The Plague !

    There's going to be a lot of downward revision of the true death toll over the next few years, all cause excess death figures are much lower than the figures for covid deaths published.


  • #2369
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Logic and coping ability went out the window.

    Seen an ex NHS consultant on with Miriam O Callaghan one night, he said lockdowns should not be used as a long term measure as its crippling society. He said the age group where the deaths are occurring is unfortunately near end of life and the response should be targeted to specific groups.

    Miriam then asked on the verge of tears “what about all the dead people?”

    Very easy to be emotionally incontinent when you've got a 6-figure salary in insulated bubble.

    RTE have really been despicable and dishonest throughout.

    They have abused this situation for their own short-term financial gain.


  • #2370
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Logic was Covid's first victim.

    There is so much that is nonsensical to what we are doing. We are in the midst of a moment of mass hysteria being "led" by a bunch of spineless cowards. If this wasn't costing us billions of euros by the month, it would actually be hilarious.

    My 4 year old son takes Adult size 12 shoes. Louis Copeland's have a sale. Must pop in and see what they have available for him.


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  • #2371
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Very easy to be emotionally incontinent when you've got a 6-figure salary in insulated bubble.

    RTE have really been despicable and dishonest throughout.

    They have abused this situation for their own short-term financial gain.

    First time since the introduction of colour TV that they are in paying their way.


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