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Deusexmachina · 30-03-2021 12:38PM

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

Dont at any stage mention that they have had around 130'000 people die from covid and have been consistently near the top of the global table for this.

Lets ignore also that if they had remained in the EU there would be a very different picture and saying the brits played a blinder is complete nonsense.

If its sour grapes to say that this then so be it.

Yes - its sour grapes.

titan18 · 30-03-2021 12:39PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah right get you.
I would say in fairness that is pretty niche, numbers would be small, internal maintenance of machinery a lot of that would be outsourced in my experience.

Two entire PS orgs? In hibernation with no one working from home? I really don't believe that sorry.

Anyone in a passport office has had a large drop in work anyway. I'd imagine still working full hours from home and getting full pay, but not processing the vast majority of passports.

Pepsirebel · 30-03-2021 12:41PM

gmisk wrote: »

Err...ok...Why would Ireland not have it? Plenty of other countries in the world have it....it was literally linked above. There are live feeds to the data...
Your basing the bolloxology comment on nothing I would suggest

We are not that proactive in general as a country. I agree the technology exists, however, IMO i just don't think we are of that mindset from a government point of view.

The last 12 months have shown how our government is not proactive

Deusexmachina · 30-03-2021 12:42PM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah right get you.
I would say in fairness that is pretty niche, numbers would be small, internal maintenance of machinery a lot of that would be outsourced in my experience.

Two entire PS orgs? In hibernation with no one working from home? I really don't believe that sorry.

Not that niche at all. Maybe 70 workers?

And yes, I am aware of two PS organisations who normally primarily deal with the public who are nominally 'working from home' but in fact have nothing to do.
(I don't bother making stuff up. I wish it wasn't true. I am very frustrated with my brothers attitude to this but he says its not his fault so he might as well enjoy it!)

gmisk · 30-03-2021 12:46PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I agree its not fair. But the original point I was making is valid. If the committee making all the decisions (NPHET) is made up 100% by people who are not financially impacted whatsoever by restrictions, then we are going to get a VERY conservative approach to lockdown.

What we need is a more representative decision making forum - medics, epidemiologists, economists, industry reps, logistics experts, charity sector, education sector, sports and arts. Then at least we would be looking at this problem from all the perspectives required to make a balanced and informed decision about lockdowns..

I don't disagree but that is not NPHETs purpose or makeup it's literally in the acronym. Public Health.
Not sure yet another layer, and another committee will help, we are already horrendously slow to react.

The issue is that the government are not pushing back seemingly on anything NPHET say whatsoever, especially after the massive spike after Christmas, they should be taking account of economic impacts etc.

LineOfBeauty · 30-03-2021 12:47PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

This schools obsession gets on my tits, not everyone has kids that need to be schooled... I could care ****ing less about them.

I just want to be able to travel and get out of the 5k bull**** restrictions, kids can stay at home

Maybe this will come across as selfish or "woe is me" but I think people in this country of a certain age have gotten a real rough go of it.

I know for me, when I finished secondary school and went to college we were at the height of the recession, getting a part time job was next to impossible. So you do college, you leave and I was lucky enough to have a lecturer set me up with a job. Then you realise there's a housing crisis, rent prices are astronomical and your chances of owning a house are probably slim to none unless you're on huge money or you've a dual income. Then a pandemic hits, one that disproportionately effects older people (in a severe manner) so you give up a year of your life to do your part and save lives. Then when it comes time to ease up on restrictions, it's the kids education and lifestyle that is prioritized. And when you're out of all of this, you're walking into a massive global recession again. I think a lot of people in that age bracket pulled the generational short straw.

30-03-2021 12:47PM

I see some are slagging of people who work in the HSE.

Their jobs are safe etc.

Different picture this time last year when there was little to no PPE, C-19 rates were high amongst healthcare workers. We knew nothing of the severity (if I remember correctly, there was a belief of 1% CFR) or after effects of a C-19 infection, all AL was cancelled, people were staying late to ensure best care of patients.

People on PUP weren't getting slagged off by health care workers back then.

trixi001 · 30-03-2021 12:48PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

I agree its not fair. But the original point I was making is valid. If the committee making all the decisions (NPHET) is made up 100% by people who are not financially impacted whatsoever by restrictions, then we are going to get a VERY conservative approach to lockdown.

What we need is a more representative decision making forum - medics, epidemiologists, economists, industry reps, logistics experts, charity sector, education sector, sports and arts. Then at least we would be looking at this problem from all the perspectives required to make a balanced and informed decision about lockdowns..

Completely agree with this and have said the same all along - this is more than just a health emergency and there should be a team of experts across all sectors advising the government,

Deusexmachina · 30-03-2021 12:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

I don't disagree but that is not NPHETs purpose or makeup it's literally in the acronym. Public Health.
Not sure yet another layer, and another committee will help, we are already horrendously slow to react.

The issue is that the government are not pushing back seemingly on anything NPHET say whatsoever, especially after the massive spike after Christmas, they should be taking account of economic impacts etc.

You are correct. It is not NPHET's 'purpose or makeup' but they have taken it on themselves. They leak to the media, they dominate the agenda, they pronounce on issues as if they are elected representatives. They have no mandate but they are essentially ruling the country.
The Government are not pushing back because they are not being forced to. They are bloody politicians. They will do nothing outside their self interest. No opposition at the moment, no elections in the near future - why should they risk doing anything. Bastards.

gmisk · 30-03-2021 12:56PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

You are correct. It is not NPHET's 'purpose or makeup' but they have taken it on themselves. They leak to the media, they dominate the agenda, they pronounce on issues as if they are elected representatives. They have no mandate but they are essentially ruling the country.
The Government are not pushing back because t hey are not being forced to. They are bloody politicians. They will do nothing outside their self interest. No opposition at the moment, no elections in the near future - why should they risk doing anything. Bastards.

Look I don't disagree with most of that, I am not sure about the leaking, the government seem to be behind most that themselves I would suggest based on past experience.

What is the solution? You are suggesting another committee from what I can see? Another quango, another layer of approval, mode delays in making decisions and taking action...I just don't think that will help

Deusexmachina · 30-03-2021 12:58PM

gmisk wrote: »

Look I don't disagree with most of that, I am not sure about the leaking, the government seem to be behind most that themselves I would suggest based on past experience.

What is the solution? You are suggesting another committee from what I can see? Another quango, another layer of approval, mode delays in making decisions and taking action...I just don't think that will help

Instead of, not as well as.

Boggles · 30-03-2021 12:58PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

You are correct. It is not NPHET's 'purpose or makeup' but they have taken it on themselves. They leak to the media

Have you examples of this?

gmisk · 30-03-2021 01:04PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Instead of, not as well as.

So you cut NPHET out of it entirely? Or disband it? And have no one from it involved in recommendations....then setup another quango?
That would be a disaster imo

30-03-2021 01:07PM

The only thing weaker than our Government at the moment is the people who will support them indefinitely regardless of what they choose to do or not do.

When a Government can do what they want without fear of losing their position, bad things happen. Those individuals make me physically sick.

TonyMaloney · 30-03-2021 01:08PM

This is comforting. Despite what you read here, NPHET retain the trust of the overwhelming majority of the people.
That should equate to good compliance as we enter the final stretch.

https://twitter.com/IpsosMRBI/status/1376824560335601666?s=19

30-03-2021 01:09PM

Pepsirebel wrote: »

I think that it is bolloxology that we, Ireland, would possess or even know what the technology is

I think you are seriously overestimating both the complexity and the rarity of the technology. A competent mechanical engineering student should be well capable of building a decent one with the right tools

30-03-2021 01:09PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

This is comforting. Despite what you read here, NPHET retain the trust of the overwhelming majority of the people.
That should equate to good compliance as we enter the final stretch.

https://twitter.com/IpsosMRBI/status/1376824560335601666?s=19

Good to see pharmacists leading the way!:)

30-03-2021 01:10PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

This is comforting. Despite what you read here, NPHET retain the trust of the overwhelming majority of the people.
That should equate to good compliance as we enter the final stretch.

https://twitter.com/IpsosMRBI/status/1376824560335601666?s=19

Jesus - charity chief executives. Scum of the earth

Jacovs · 30-03-2021 01:11PM

Sorry if already answered. I follow the thread a bit but skip pages if it goes too quick.

Has it been mentioned anywhere if the changes on monday will be considered as moving to level 4?

gmisk · 30-03-2021 01:13PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

This is comforting. Despite what you read here, NPHET retain the trust of the overwhelming majority of the people.
That should equate to good compliance as we enter the final stretch.

https://twitter.com/IpsosMRBI/status/1376824560335601666?s=19

Social media influencers....ha ha

Love the ordinary people in the street category lol

30-03-2021 01:13PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

This is comforting. Despite what you read here, NPHET retain the trust of the overwhelming majority of the people.
That should equate to good compliance as we enter the final stretch.

https://twitter.com/IpsosMRBI/status/1376824560335601666?s=19

I don't think people distrust NPHET, even on here. They're doing exactly what they've been mandated to do. They're only looking at the situation through a health advisory lens so of course their recommendations are going to be conservative.

The problem is that the government shouldn't be looking at things through that same lens because it's so much more nuanced than that but alas, they're so laser focused on this one issue they're willing to destroy everything else in the process.

ShyMets · 30-03-2021 01:13PM

Just a few more weeks, folk.

Hold firm. We're in this together

Stheno · 30-03-2021 01:14PM

Jacovs wrote: »

Sorry if already answered. I follow the thread a bit but skip pages if it goes too quick.

Has it been mentioned anywhere if the changes on monday will be considered as moving to level 4?

There are no changes on Monday

It's pushed out to the 12th to encourage people not to travel over Easter.

A Shaved Duck? · 30-03-2021 01:14PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Yes - its sour grapes.

Would you be open to explaining how 130'000 deaths equates to "playing a Blinder"?

Boggles · 30-03-2021 01:15PM

Jacovs wrote: »

Sorry if already answered. I follow the thread a bit but skip pages if it goes too quick.

Has it been mentioned anywhere if the changes on monday will be considered as moving to level 4?

Have you a box to tick for work or other if it's officially "level 4"?

Jacovs · 30-03-2021 01:16PM

Stheno wrote: »

There are no changes on Monday

It's pushed out to the 12th to encourage people not to travel over Easter.

Thanks. Same question then for the 12th. I dont see levels mentioned anywhere. The plan they issued weeks ago is vague enough.

Jacovs · 30-03-2021 01:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

Have you a box to tick for work or other if it's officially "level 4"?

Passport office wont process first time passport until officially level 4.

JDD · 30-03-2021 01:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I see some are slagging of people who work in the HSE.

Their jobs are safe etc.

Different picture this time last year when there was little to no PPE, C-19 rates were high amongst healthcare workers. We knew nothing of the severity (if I remember correctly, there was a belief of 1% CFR) or after effects of a C-19 infection, all AL was cancelled, people were staying late to ensure best care of patients.

People on PUP weren't getting slagged off by health care workers back then.

There's a large difference between front line workers and HSE management.

Nobody is slagging front line workers. And I think you know that.

We are questioning whether it is right for the government to be only taking advice from NPHET (who are not frontline, and not personally financially effected by restrictions) when NPHET advice should only be part of the picture.

Take the example of the Central Bank. Would it be right for the governor of the Central Bank to be holding a press conference every week on the economic impact of restrictions, telling the audience what advice he is giving to the government, what he thinks the public at large should do, and ignore completely the public health impacts of his advice, by saying "well that's not my remit, that's outside of my control".

The press conferences have to stop. The daily numbers have to stop. The leaks have to stop. That's how you get trust back. Until then, I'll be deciding when and how much I start lifting my own restrictions.

MOH · 30-03-2021 01:19PM

Another gem today

Also under way from Monday morning, contact tracers are extending the window of tracing from two to seven days.

This will help to identify Covid-19 cases currently attributed to “community transmission”, which equate to about 20 per cent of cases, according to the HSE’s lead for testing and tracing, Niamh O’Beirne.

She told RTɒs Morning Ireland radio programme on Monday that now was the “right time” to extend tracing as it needs to be done when the cases are not too high.

The right time was last June, when we had a dozen cases a day and could have tracked how the virus spread as society reopened and formed an accurate picture of exactly how it was spreading. Instead of just listening to "it's the pubs", "it's the students", "it's everything except schools" based on whatever random correlations NPHET chose to make.

Also, this was supposed to happen from early December, but was abandoned because the case numbers were too high. But case numbers are consistently higher now than they were for the first three weeks of December, yet suddenly it's the right time to do it because numbers aren't too high?!

Another contemptible failure from the government and health advisors.
It's very depressing how that media will foam at the mouth for days over 20 misused vaccines in the Beacon yet not even bother asking a question about why it has taken us a year to introduce basic proper contact tracing, despite that being key WHO advice from day one.

Corholio · 30-03-2021 01:20PM

Golf and Tennis for 26th.
GAA intercounty training for 19th.

How does this make sense (if true) if they are supposedly strategic in keeping it 'tight'?

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