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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #1712
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Because we are being played like a fiddle .Make them believe they will get nothing then give them a crumb and they will be happy

    No. It's because a poster here misheard the News. It's within county.

    The indignation is amazing .


  • #1713
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    flanna01 wrote: »
    This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

    If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

    But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

    These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

    it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

    Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

    What strikes me is this....

    Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

    Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

    What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

    Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.
    There is a contrast to be drawn between what happened last year from May and what we're getting now. We had a plan, a pretty detailed one, with 3 weeks built into each phase. Now, unfortunately it's very reactive, hyper cautious and the spectre of Christmas is still haunting them. The frustration, not everyone wants to get their hair done or go shopping, is the lack of an actual plan. They can certainly be blamed for that and they do need to deliver one sooner rather than later.


  • #1714
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    No. It's because a poster here misheard the News. It's within county.

    The indignation is amazing .

    I think we are being played like a fiddle all along , not about the 5km but in general .People cannot see it but its happening all the time


  • #1715
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    flanna01 wrote: »
    This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

    If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

    But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

    These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

    it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

    Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

    What strikes me is this....

    Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

    Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

    What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

    Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

    They have never had any more clue that the rest of us what could happen over the next 2 weeks not to mind two months. That's why the next 2 weeks were always crucial and they were always "deeply concerned", because quite simply they just don't know and never have. Its disappointing that over a year into this, that we are still completely in the dark with no other tool than a ridiculously blunt level 5 lockdown.
    Travel restrictions should be long gone at this stage, meeting outdoors should have been allowed long ago, these things don't cause surges, you might get a slow increase which can either be managed or just revert the restriction, but that sort of stuff would involve taking very slight risks, which there is no reason for a well-paid single-issue group to take and a spineless Government who is too scared to try anything.


  • #1716
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This talk of easing the 5km on the 12th instead of the 5th is the return of the can't be easing restrictions on a bank holiday rubbish, isn't it?

    Get used to it again. It'll be the reason they don't ease restrictions before the May bank holiday, the June bank holiday and then the August bank holiday.

    Because god forbid the populace actually enjoy their days off


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  • #1717
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    The problem with today's figures are that they're the result of the daily cases 2-3 weeks ago. Our rising numbers this week will be seen in rising hospital numbers in 2-3 weeks time.

    This is like a ship, you've to start turning the wheel well in advance

    Hospital admissions will always increase before you see the increases in cases. It's been that way through the past 3 waves. The only lag you see is with deaths.
    Hospital admissions have been reducing week on week.


  • #1718
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hospital admissions will always increase before you see the increases in cases. It's been that way through the past 3 waves. The only lag you see is with deaths.
    Hospital admissions have been reducing week on week.

    I cannot see who that is correct?


  • #1719
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    flanna01 wrote: »
    This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

    If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

    But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

    These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

    it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

    Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

    What strikes me is this....

    Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

    Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

    What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

    Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

    Oh piss off. I'm tired of being blamed for everything. The government have done the bare minimum while foisting the majority of the responsibility onto the general public and blaming them when things go south. It took them over a year to implement mandatory quarantine when it should have been one of the first things to be implemented. Then what? They blame us for transmitting the strains that easily entered the country. They are entirely reactive. Never proactive in implementing a proper track and trace program. They did the bare minimum to increase hospital capacity and have been entirely passive until a vaccine became available. And they have time, and again refused to lay out a proper plan based on either data or dates. Just wishy washy "in six weeks" nonsense. We were entirely compliant in the first lockdown. But compliance has fallen off a cliff because there has been absolutely no leadership shown. Just scolding and being told "do more. DO MORE." when there is no more most people can do. So don't turn around and scold us again. It doesn't wash any more.


  • #1720
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You mean you aren't looking forward to the headmaster's speech this evening telling us we're all in detention for another few weeks because some of the class can't behave? Personally I can't wait.

    Or simply the risk of increasing case numbers at this point in our vaccination rollout doesn't warrant being told "ah sure its all grand lads"?


  • #1721
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    gozunda wrote: »
    Or simply the risk of increasing case numbers at this point in our vaccination rollout don't warrant being told "ah sure its all grand lads"?

    There seems to be a real tendency to pepper pro government/lockdown posts with 'Or Simply...', 'Its not hard to understand', 'Its remedial stuff', 'its not rocket science'.

    Condescending, debate stifling, and silencing tactic.

    I suggest its the opposite - this government are too simple to deal with anything more complicated than sitting on their hands. Their ardent supporters are too simple to consider nuance and anything other than lockdowns.


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  • #1722
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    flanna01 wrote: »
    This really is a no win win situation for the Government.

    If you consider this thread as the general mindset of the Irish population, then we want restrictions eased, more retail options reopened, and to do otherwise will incur the loss of the publics support.

    But, the Government are mere politicians (all brylcreem and teeth as my Father would say).

    These guys are not qualified to make judgements on a Viral Pandemic... Hence, they take advise from a science led team of experts.

    it's not often I feel pity for the Brylcreen brigade, but their backs are truly against the wall on this occasion.

    Ignore Nphet and be directly accused of making a ball's of it again as the numbers surge... Follow Nephet's advice, and be accused of dancing to Donnely's tune all the time.

    What strikes me is this....

    Everybody in the Country knows the stay safe protocol... Wash the paws, Social distance, Is the journey really essential......

    Yet we blame the government everytime the numbers head north..??

    What we have here is a blame game culture. Blame anybody but ourselves. It's all their fault....

    Unfortunately, the 'Them' is really 'Us'.

    The modelling group two weeks ago said the R number was between 1 and 1.3, so stating case growth is either flat or growing quickly - which is it? They honestly haven't a scooby doo.


  • #1723
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This talk of easing the 5km on the 12th instead of the 5th is the return of the can't be easing restrictions on a bank holiday rubbish, isn't it?

    100%. The kids won't be able to visit granny and grandad during the easter hols. Even though they are vaccinated.

    Now anyone still adhering to the 5km rule needs their heads examined. And anyone not visiting grandparents who are fully vaccinated also need to check themselves.


  • #1724
    flanna01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭flanna01


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Oh piss off. I'm tired of being blamed for everything. The government have done the bare minimum while foisting the majority of the responsibility onto the general public and blaming them when things go south. It took them over a year to implement mandatory quarantine when it should have been one of the first things to be implemented. Then what? They blame us for transmitting the strains that easily entered the country. They are entirely reactive. Never proactive in implementing a proper track and trace program. They did the bare minimum to increase hospital capacity and have been entirely passive until a vaccine became available. And they have time, and again refused to lay out a proper plan based on either data or dates. Just wishy washy "in six weeks" nonsense. We were entirely compliant in the first lockdown. But compliance has fallen off a cliff because there has been absolutely no leadership shown. Just scolding and being told "do more. DO MORE." when there is no more most people can do. So don't turn around and scold us again. It doesn't wash any more.


    Of course you are aware that out Government doesn't have the vast supply of vaccine's that say our neighbours have...?

    You are aware of that aren't you..??

    So, assuming that you indeed do not reside under a rock somewhere, and are aware of the consequences of not playing safe, how would you suggest the Government react?

    We have very little Vaccine at the moment. Hopefully this will improve going forward - But at the moment we are vulnerable.

    The Government are not scolding you, they are protecting you.


  • #1725
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    OwenM wrote: »
    The modelling group two weeks ago said the R number was between 1 and 1.3, so stating case growth is either flat or growing quickly - which is it? They honestly haven't a scooby doo.

    i thought a R number of over 1 meant cases should be growing especially with the "new variant" so nphet modelling off ? how can cases plateau ? they keep telling is this virus is so easily transmitted (yet people sharing houses dont catch it)

    id love to know the basis of the predictions because it what nphet say and the numbers dont seem to add up.

    My weather

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  • #1726
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    Why such a hostile reaction ? They arent just making up arbitrary rules for fun of it. If thats what the modelling says, thats what the modelling says. It would be irresponsible of NPHET not to spell this out of thats the ways it is. No point blaming them for the maths of the virus.

    No changes at all on the 5th :(

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376786018028912641?s=20


  • #1727
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Stheno wrote: »
    No changes at all on the 5th :(

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376786018028912641?s=20

    What a complete ****ing farce! :mad:


  • #1728
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ednwireland wrote: »
    i thought a R number of over 1 meant cases should be growing especially with the "new variant" so nphet modelling off ? how can cases plateau ? they keep telling is this virus is so easily transmitted (yet people sharing houses dont catch it)

    id love to know the basis of the predictions because it what nphet say and the numbers dont seem to add up.
    They have four models they use, think they favour the Imperial College approach more but it's still a best guess.


  • #1729
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    No changes at all on the 5th :(

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1376786018028912641?s=20

    If they do that they will truly lose the people .


  • #1730
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Bank holiday sure. Can't be making changes on a bank holiday.

    It is unfortunate this bank holiday appeared after they originally said April 5th.


  • #1731
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    If they do that they will truly lose the people .

    With regard to the 5km, I think they already have lost the people. Most people will travel beyond 5km now if they need/want to I reckon.


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  • #1732
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    flanna01 wrote: »
    Of course you are aware that out Government doesn't have the vast supply of vaccine's that say our neighbours have...?

    You are aware of that aren't you..??

    So, assuming that you indeed do not reside under a rock somewhere, and are aware of the consequences of not playing safe, how would you suggest the Government react?

    We have very little Vaccine at the moment. Hopefully this will improve going forward - But at the moment we are vulnerable.

    The Government are not scolding you, they are protecting you.
    There's plenty of scolding to come with that as well. It's also the lack of any plan and casual references to 6, 8 or 12 weeks more of this. The likely effect of that is far less compliance.


  • #1733
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    flanna01 wrote: »
    Of course you are aware that out Government doesn't have the vast supply of vaccine's that say our neighbours have...?

    You are aware of that aren't you..??

    So, assuming that you indeed do not reside under a rock somewhere, and are aware of the consequences of not playing safe, how would you suggest the Government react?

    We have very little Vaccine at the moment. Hopefully this will improve going forward - But at the moment we are vulnerable.

    The Government are not scolding you, they are protecting you.

    I know full well about the vaccine plan, the limitations of supply, and the success we've had so far with what we have. Nowhere in my previous post did I criticise the vaccine rollout. What I did criticise is the lack of coherent plan and the absolute abdication of leadership. The government are not protecting us. They're doing little but telling us to stay at home. It'd be like me protecting my 4 year old from traffic by locking him in his bedroom instead of teaching him how to cross the road. If they were so concerned with protecting us, they'd have implemented more than lockdowns.

    I mentioned the things the government could do and have thus far failed to do in my previous post. But if you're unwilling to actually address those then there's no point in engaging with you going forward.


  • #1734
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Hospital admissions will always increase before you see the increases in cases. It's been that way through the past 3 waves. The only lag you see is with deaths.
    Hospital admissions have been reducing week on week.

    There has been a clear lag on wave 2 and 3. The only reason it wasn't there on wave 1 was because of testing

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  • #1735
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    It is unfortunate this bank holiday appeared after they originally said April 5th.

    This has nothing to do with a Bank Holiday.

    Its just them been overly overly cautious again and stringing us on for longer.


  • #1736
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Very unfortunate, no one could have seen this coming.
    Seems to be all about the schools going back on 12 April.


  • #1737
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    flanna01 wrote: »
    The Government are not scolding you, they are protecting you.

    havent a clue what the government are protecting these days !

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #1738
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    You'll have to point out where I said I expect to be told it's all grand.

    Well you started the imaginary dialogue tbf.

    And was simply was in reply to your idea of a "headmaster's speech" that rather than "telling us we're all in detention" he tells us "ah sure it'll be grand lads"

    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    There seems to be a real tendency to pepper pro government/lockdown posts with 'Or Simply...', 'Its not hard to understand', 'Its remedial stuff', 'its not rocket science'.

    Condescending, debate stifling, and silencing tactic.

    I suggest its the opposite - this government are too simple to deal with anything more complicated than sitting on their hands. Their ardent supporters are too simple to consider nuance and anything other than lockdowns.

    And yet that was not said at all. More faux outrage.

    So you sincerely believe that :"this government are too simple to deal with anything more complicated than sitting on their hands"

    In the face of a fuqing global pandemic and at present - countries worldwide have two means of managing the rate of infection.

    One is vaccination and the other is to help stop rates of infection getting out of control. The first will help the second. But yes stopping the rate of infection getting out of control until we can get everyone who needs it vaccinated is also necessary

    Your idea that there's some magical other solution - that the government are simple ie thick, that anyone who supports the idea of keeping the lid on the rate of infection is an "ardent supporter" and are also 'simple'

    That my friend is indeed a fairly pathetic "Condescending, debate stifling, and silencing tactic."

    But dont let simplification get in the way of throwing ****e at anyone you don't agree with


  • #1739
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Seems to be all about the schools going back on 12 April.

    If things were done properly there would have been an extra week holidays when schools were closed and a shorter Easter break. The idea of sending kids back for a week and then taking them out for two weeks was farcical.

    Now the whole country is on hold because teachers and students are on two weeks holidays...


  • #1740
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Four weeks from now, eight weeks from now, vaccination numbers will have significantly increased and our world will transition back to pre covid normality. Though I have an underlying condition, I empathise for those who don’t and Who are suffering under the current lockdown regime. Hold on a little bit longer, we are almost there. Two or three months is very little in the grand scheme of things, especially when you consider the fact that six months ago we didn’t even know if there would be a viable vaccine produced let alone six or seven. We’ve waited this long, we can wait a little longer. The world will look a lot brighter after April, and again brighter still after May. Keep the faith.


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  • #1741
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    If things were done properly there would have been an extra week holidays when schools were closed and a shorter Easter break. The idea of sending kids back for a week and then taking them out for two weeks was farcical.

    Now the whole country is on hold because teachers and students are on two weeks holidays...
    To an extent I agree. It may well have been some of the reasoning behind that date but current cases point to a challenge in relaxing things and have done for quite a while.


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