Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Locotastic · 30-03-2021 07:42AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Two big differences though, which increase the uncertainty this year : the virus is 50% more transmissible, and, vaccines rollout. One good, one bad. But they muddy the predictability for the next two months, hence why keeping things tight for what is no lengthy period in the greater scheme, is the right course. The big message to focus on today will not be about the next two months, but about the optimistic prospect from June onwards and the likely hood that we can have a steady level 3 through the summer months. Now that will be good news.

Do you have a source for the new 'variants' being 50% more transmissible?

17larsson · 30-03-2021 07:42AM

Always_Running wrote: »

Looks like the 15th instead of the 5th now.

That's what it looks like they're gearing us up for.
I knew that was going to happen. Can't be having us too excited in case we lose the run of ourselves at the easter bank holiday.

At least we'll get the detailed plan this evening and we can work towards those dates.....right?

DellyBelly · 30-03-2021 07:42AM

Always_Running wrote: »

Looks like the 15th instead of the 5th now.

Aw for feck sake.. I'd taken Tuesday off. I'm seriously losing respect for our government. Ah well just have to wait and hold firm for another few weeks

Arturo Delgado · 30-03-2021 07:46AM

Vicxas wrote: »

Looks like another 2 weeks of sneaky level 5

The most repressive regime currently in Europe. Meanwhile thousands on the poverty line, voiceless, unable to protest. Cancer and other serious illnesses going undiagnosed because the media and NPHET projected fear of Covid has destroyed confidence in going to a doctor. The narrative is negative, all the way. No sign that this government is willing to give any hope whatsoever. They are hostage to NPHET.

Natterjack from Kerry · 30-03-2021 07:50AM

Locotastic wrote: »

Do you have a source for the new 'variants' being 50% more transmissible?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2021/jan/25/new-coronavirus-variants-may-spread-more-easily-so-what-does-this-mean-for-the-fight-against-covid

Many authoritative sources if you Google, estimating 30-60% more depending on the variant.

ExMachina1000 · 30-03-2021 07:55AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Is that like the estimates of hundreds of thousands dead in Ireland alone or are these ones real?

Yes from actual scientists who have been studying the virus for over a year now. Not Irish gombeen political or media types

Arturo Delgado · 30-03-2021 07:55AM

lawred2 wrote: »

A big mental lift for everyone?

Bit of a stretch.

I got a nifty number 2 buzz cut a week before Christmas, now I look like John Waters twin. I'd certainly get a lift if they reopened. Having the wife wield a clippers this weekend coming is not something I look forward too.

Locotastic · 30-03-2021 07:56AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2021/jan/25/new-coronavirus-variants-may-spread-more-easily-so-what-does-this-mean-for-the-fight-against-covid

Many authoritative sources if you Google, estimating 30-60% more depending on the variant.

If you read that you'll see the word 'may' is mentioned eight times. 'Suggest' and 'estimated' peppered throughout the article too.

Also, from the article you linked to:

"It’s important to note that most of the research characterising the new variants has been published as “preprints”, which means that the studies have not yet gone through the usual peer review and journal publication process".

So do you have an actual source that says variants ARE 50% more transmissible? If people are to be scaremongered about variants I'll need a little more than they May be more infectious.

blowitupref · 30-03-2021 08:01AM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

the optimistic prospect from June onwards and the likely hood that we can have a steady level 3 through the summer months. Now that will be good news.

Lower than level 3 this summer would be the optimistic outlook. We had most of last summer with no vaccines in level 2.

Sobit1964 · 30-03-2021 08:02AM

Meanwhile this week in Belarus

Locotastic · 30-03-2021 08:04AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Meanwhile this week in Belarus

Wow, not even a mask in sight!

Kiith · 30-03-2021 08:07AM

If they don't release an actual plan tonight, the government have failed to do even the bare minimum in my mind. No more "just hang in there", "few more weeks", "all in this together" nonsense. Give us a ****ing timeline already. Its really not that hard to do...BoJo and co did weeks ago, and we commonly think they are completely useless at their jobs.

If X numbers of ICU and Hospitalizations by 15th April, lvl4
If Y numbers of ICU and Hospitalizations by 15th May, lvl3
etc... etc...

Leave in the asterisk to say if numbers rise, things are delayed, but at least give people some indication that you are even slightly competent at your jobs. You've had a year to put something together ffs.

It's really not that ****ing hard! :mad:

Natterjack from Kerry · 30-03-2021 08:09AM

Locotastic wrote: »

If you read that you'll see the word 'may' is mentioned eight times. 'Suggest' and 'estimated' peppered throughout the article too.

Also, from the article you linked to:

"It’s important to note that most of the research characterising the new variants has been published as “preprints”, which means that the studies have not yet gone through the usual peer review and journal publication process".

So do you have an actual source that says variants ARE 50% more transmissible? If people are to be scaremongered about variants I'll need a little more than they May be more infectious.

Sure.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/03/03/science.abg3055

More up to date. 50% may be on the low side even. But regardless of the number precision, whether its 46% or 53% or whatever, its r0 is significantly higher. You hardly need me to Google 'exponential' for you too at this stage.

30-03-2021 08:12AM

Arturo Delgado wrote: »

I got a nifty number 2 buzz cut a week before Christmas, now I look like John Waters twin. I'd certainly get a lift if they reopened. Having the wife wield a clippers this weekend coming is not something I look forward too.

If you have a clippers and all you want is a buzz cut there is no need to even get the wife to do it.

30-03-2021 08:13AM

The sneaky way they've positioned this so that they get an extra few weeks without easing anything significant is sickening.

We've been in level 5 for 3 months already and now they're going to phase in even the most modest of restrictions? What a bunch of cowardly rats.

FlubberJones · 30-03-2021 08:15AM

The clueless fools in charge just gave themselves more time to do do very little, it doesn't make sense

shtpEdthePlum · 30-03-2021 08:15AM

Lol you all think something good is going to happen later.

I don't know why I said lol, this all sucks massive balls.

But seriously, don't get your hopes up. Travel within county maybe by mid April, GAA so they can spread within the dressing room, maybe tennis, no golf because that's unpopular now, no fishing because it doesn't make the exchequer any money.

They have compliance to a degree now so they think they can mess with us. After tonight's disappointment trying to control the population will be impossible and this time literally everyone will just start to ignore the restrictions. I was out yesterday and everywhere was completely mobbed.

Who can blame us after this absolute shambles of a year. The sight of mehole sends me into convulsions. And don't even get me started on the other one. The ineptitude and flailing is pathetic. Their captive audience is no longer paying attention or remaining in place.

Screw them.

30-03-2021 08:16AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Meanwhile this week in Belarus

Great place to live alright

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/29/belarus-charges-opposition-leader-sviatlana-tsikhanouskaya-with-terrorism
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/03/29/belarus-crackdown-independent-journalism
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/belarus-radiation-monitoring-goes-dark-after-alleged-incident/

Multipass · 30-03-2021 08:18AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's a 78.5 square kilometre area. Imprisoned?

Thanks for that, I’m leaving my one and only road to trample through all the neighbouring farms - I’m sure the landowners will be just thrilled to see me explore my 78.5 square kms

facehugger99 · 30-03-2021 08:19AM

The only two things this Government of sniveling cowards excel at, is kicking the can down the road and borrowing tens of billions of euros on our behalf to fund the kicking.

Sobit1964 · 30-03-2021 08:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Great place to live alright

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/29/belarus-charges-opposition-leader-sviatlana-tsikhanouskaya-with-terrorism
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/03/29/belarus-crackdown-independent-journalism
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/belarus-radiation-monitoring-goes-dark-after-alleged-incident/

And yet they can go further than 5km from their houses - its getting laughable when a dictatorship demonstrates more normality than the omnishambles thats Ireland. Thanks for adding to my point.

FlubberJones · 30-03-2021 08:24AM

Killiney beach yesterday, families meeting all over the place, and surely the 5km restrictions were not being adhered to as there's no way they all live close to there... Personally I was glad to see it, simply reinforces my notion that the government have lost the room and people have realised the "leaders" are HOPELESS

namloc1980 · 30-03-2021 08:24AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's a 78.5 square kilometre area. Imprisoned?

Of which 95% or more is private farmland or private houses and gardens or private business property etc. I've seen this 78.5 sq km nonsense thrown around a few times and it's the stupidest thing I've seen in a while.

LineOfBeauty · 30-03-2021 08:27AM

11521323 wrote: »

The sneaky way they've positioned this so that they get an extra few weeks without easing anything significant is sickening.

We've been in level 5 for 3 months already and now they're going to phase in even the most modest of restrictions? What a bunch of cowardly rats.

3 months, really since like October (?) so we're coming up on nearly 7 months with a 3 week break (in which we had barely begun before they told us we'd all be going straight into lockdown before NYE). All the while they continued on without a plan and then have the neck to ask for more from the people. We've given up over a year of our lives, they've had a year to create a working plan and their only answer is long, rolling lockdowns that have become ineffective on a fatigued nation.

30-03-2021 08:29AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

And yet they can go further than 5km from their houses - its getting laughable when a dictatorship demonstrates more normality than the omnishambles thats Ireland. Thanks for adding to my point.

Seems like a large portion of the thread have the hard on for a certain type of populist authoritarian alright

"there is an easy answer to everything and its always someone else's fault - now lets makes a list of who to blame so we can easily identify them"

RGS · 30-03-2021 08:31AM

Kiith wrote: »

If they don't release an actual plan tonight, the government have failed to do even the bare minimum in my mind. No more "just hang in there", "few more weeks", "all in this together" nonsense. Give us a ****ing timeline already. Its really not that hard to do...BoJo and co did weeks ago, and we commonly think they are completely useless at their jobs.
If X numbers of ICU and Hospitalizations by 15th April, lvl4

If Y numbers of ICU and Hospitalizations by 15th May, lvl3

etc... etc...

Leave in the asterisk to say if numbers rise, things are delayed, but at least give people some indication that you are even slightly competent at your jobs. You've had a year to put something together ffs.

It's really not that ****ing hard! :mad:

It is if your a politician with the "smarts" of our lot.

shtpEdthePlum · 30-03-2021 08:32AM

What did they expect to happen at Christmas when people were effectively told they'd better get in all their enjoyment in that week because afterwards is going to be different.
They are complete morons.

Personally I saw the people in my bubble at Christmas and I've only seen them once since because we're hyper paranoid about the new strains and I'm being made go into work (in my government job, when I could feasibly wfh all the time).

Sobit1964 · 30-03-2021 08:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems like a large portion of the thread have the hard on for a certain type of populist authoritarian alright

"there is an easy answer to everything and its always someone else's fault - now lets makes a list of who to blame so we can easily identify them"

I'm not the one advocating house arrest, closures of private business, document checks on the roads, fines for gathering in groups or undertaking peaceful demonstrations or snooping and reporting on neighbors.

But sure attempt to throw in the 'alt-right' - again - it makes you look silly.

Pussyhands · 30-03-2021 08:34AM

I'm seething lads.

People have even been on TV now saying we need to be given some leeway. There's only talk of extending travel in mid April!

**** me, we're gonna be in level 5 for half of this year at this rate.

TonyMaloney · 30-03-2021 08:34AM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Meanwhile this week in Belarus

Jesus, that looks awful. Those poor people

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