Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 30-03-2021 12:21AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Just heard on Claire Byrne that nobody died in London today :pac:

I know you may not have heard of such things ...

The UK have a thing called "vaccination" and are forging ahead

Three million Londoners have received a Covid jab as the capital today moved close to its first day without a virus death in more than six months.

Official figures this afternoon will confirm that more than three million first jabs have been administered, the Evening Standard can reveal.

The landmark — meaning the capital is set to vaccinate half its adult population by the end of the Easter holidays — comes after a million first jabs were given in the last month.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/3-million-covid-vaccines-london-matt-hancock-praises-roll-out-londoners-spirit-b926446.html

And fair fuqs to them. I wish them well.

Now when we get to the same level of vaccination*- then we also can go ":pac:"

And yes I know we're behind them. And things could be better. But there we are.

bb1234567 · 30-03-2021 12:25AM

darem93 wrote: »

I have genuinely never hated two words as much in my life as I hate these.

Whenever I see hold firm used at this stage I nearly think they're taking the piss. Like how could you say it sincerely. The term was used because it's dramatic and at the time we recognised our responsibility to chip in and that would bring clear and pronounced benefits in return for our emotional/mental/physical investment and sacrifice given how dangerous we were led to believe COVID was. But most importantly the term implies a brief nature of the necessity for this investment in compliance and a short intense period of uncomfortableness/hardship that we nobly withstand out of moral obligation for the reasons mentioned before . At the time it fit the scenario and we accepted it but now it's changed I think we can all agree. It's no longer possible to 'hold firm' when it goes on for such a comically long time or you would become unstable being on edge for such protracted periods of time.

Graham · 30-03-2021 12:26AM

Locotastic wrote: »

When you realise how incompetent the government are in keeping us, citizens of this country and human beings at the end of the day, in an eternal lockdown you'll feel pretty hard done by.

And when you go wherever you want to, without anybody stopping you, you'll probably be annoyed with yourself for not doing it sooner.

That just comes across as a bit ranty to be honest Locotastic, there's not really much in there to debate.

There's a pandemic. We haven't yet got it under control.

This is going to impact our lives restrictions or not. I think moreso if we drop restrictions too soon.

acequion · 30-03-2021 12:27AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Were you put on the Pandemic unemployment payment?

I'd say you were never left a cent short. In fact didn't the public sector get a pay rise a few months back

Go away out of that. Shielded from the economic fallout

So you really want to open that jaded public versus private fight now do you?? Drag the thread off topic just to have a bitter and ignorant little dig.

Many public servants are low paid. Fact.

Several public servants have risked their own health and their lives and some have lost their lives during this pandemic. Very much fact.

Public servants are human beings and like all human being have suffered and are suffering all the collateral damage of these excessively harsh restrictions. Fact as well.

Public servants and tax payers in general will be taken to the cleaners when the astronomical bill comes in. Expect to see young teachers and nurses joining the queue with the many others in the rush to get out of this dump when the day of reckoning comes. Come back and fight with me then as to who is the most miserable.

But if you had any cop on right now you'd drop your ill timed and insensitive remarks or else go find some other place to dig up your petty public versus private row.

30-03-2021 12:42AM

darem93 wrote: »

I have genuinely never hated two words as much in my life as I hate these.

I'll see you your "Hold firm", and raise you a "social distancing".

Sharpyshoot · 30-03-2021 12:43AM

A last minute review on opening hair dressers and barbers need to be taken. No reason they can’t be let open, it would be a big mental lift for everyone.

retro:electro · 30-03-2021 12:44AM

The hairdresser guy on Claire Byrne seemed to believe they won’t be reopening until June or July. In thought May was being hinted at, no?

acequion · 30-03-2021 12:48AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

A last minute review on opening hair dressers and barbers need to be taken. No reason they can’t be let open, it would be a big mental lift for everyone.

Absolutely. But the way it's looking we won't see hairdressers until well into mid or late May if we're lucky. It really is unbelievable how there is almost zero backlash. In Holland business people took a case against the curfew and actually won initially before it was overturned, in parts of Italy and Poland loads of restaurateurs defied restrictions, in France they made a big fuss as they always do. But here. Deafening silence while people just seethe away quietly.

lmimmfn · 30-03-2021 12:55AM

acequion wrote: »

Absolutely. But the way it's looking we won't see hairdressers until well into mid or late May if we're lucky. It really is unbelievable how there is almost zero backlash. In Holland business people took a case against the curfew and actually won initially before it was overturned, in parts of Italy and Poland loads of restaurateurs defied restrictions, in France they made a big fuss as they always do. But here. Deafening silence while people just seethe away quietly.

When enough cash is thrown in to supports theres no reason to protest.

Graham · 30-03-2021 12:57AM

retro:electro wrote: »

The hairdresser guy on Claire Byrne seemed to believe they won’t be reopening until June or July. In thought May was being hinted at, no?

I suspect the hairdresser guy knows no more and no less than the rest of us.

acequion · 30-03-2021 01:00AM

lmimmfn wrote: »

When enough cash is thrown in to supports there's no reason to protest.

But there is the equivalent of the PUP in all those other countries as well. And €350 a week is much less than people with successful businesses can earn. While they may have been happy enough with it initially and happy to get a rest from a hectic lifestyle many are really feeling the pinch now. Not to mention totally frustrated. But they still do little to fight their corner. Incredible!

30-03-2021 01:01AM

I see by the majority of the responses to my post that I was quite correct in using the term "whiners and cry babies".

I don't know why some of you can't make the best of it.

Myself I've managed to clear all my debts and am about to get a mortgage, could never have done that without lockdown.

Also trained myself up in several additional skills, moved job and now earn more and have less costs due to WFH. Again couldn't have done that without lockdown.

Or, you know, sit on your phone reading conspiracy theories and crackpots on Facebook, all the while demanding the govt fix your life because you can't cope with not being able to go to the pub or get a fade cut

retro:electro · 30-03-2021 01:03AM

Graham wrote: »

I suspect the hairdresser guy knows no more and no less than the rest of us.

Which is why I thought it was strange that he said July, and not May as has been rumoured

SusieBlue · 30-03-2021 01:03AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I see by the majority of the responses to my post that I was quite correct in using the term "whiners and cry babies".

I don't know why some of you can't make the best of it.

Myself I've managed to clear all my debts and am about to get a mortgage, could never have done that without lockdown.

Also trained myself up in several additional skills, moved job and now earn more and have less costs due to WFH. Again couldn't have done that without lockdown.

Or, you know, sit on your phone reading conspiracy theories and crackpots on Facebook, all the while demanding the govt fix your life because you can't cope with not being able to go to the pub or get a fade cut

2/10, try harder.

acequion · 30-03-2021 01:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I see by the majority of the responses to my post that I was quite correct in using the term "whiners and cry babies".

I don't know why some of you can't make the best of it.

Myself I've managed to clear all my debts and am about to get a mortgage, could never have done that without lockdown.

Also trained myself up in several additional skills, moved job and now earn more and have less costs due to WFH. Again couldn't have done that without lockdown.

Or, you know, sit on your phone reading conspiracy theories and crackpots on Facebook, all the while demanding the govt fix your life because you can't cope with not being able to go to the pub or get a fade cut

lol, you're hilarious

Jim Gazebo · 30-03-2021 01:11AM

Incredible stuff really. The way they even announce this stuff needs to be looked at. Gavan Reilly opens the day with "speculation day!" Like it was something to look forward to. Himself and chambers are only mouthpieces for government at this stage, afraid to rock the boat in case they lose the leaks. For most this 24-48 hour period is filled with stress and worry. Not something to look forward to. Announcements should be being made with no bullsh1t and no leaks.

As for the easing of 5km thoughts, I'm glad to hear it but I hope they scrap it or go county. If they go to 10/20km then they may as well not bother.

I look forward to Micheal smirking down the screen at me and then I can remember that Donnchadh O Laoighaire battered him in last GE. Ashamed to be from the constituency that continually votes Martin in.

muddypuppy · 30-03-2021 01:34AM

It’s interesting to look back last May and see what the situation when we reopened. On the week leading to May 19th (13-19):
932 positive swabs
36818 swabs in total
2.5% 7 days positivity rate
786 new cases confirmed (1009 actually, but on the 14th of May 223 extra cases where added that were not notified before)
81 deaths
56 people in ICU (up to the 16th, it’s a pain to find historical data)
688 people in hospital - 390 confirmed, 298 suspected (lot less tests going on)
No vaccines (of course)

This week (24-30):
4,249 positive swabs
125,846 swabs in total
3.4% 7 days positivity rate
4,065 new cases confirmed
81 deaths
70 people in ICU
331 people in hospital
~800k vaccines

—

If you ask me, they look pretty similar. We obviously do a lot more testing and might have more cases, but this is not reflected in the deaths/hospitalisation probably due to the vaccines and better understanding of the virus.
The difference in planning is huge, I was almost laughing at the plan last year but now it looks like a work of art. Clear timeline, steps to take, with the reasoning behind them/ https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/ (be sure to check the pdf).

nocoverart · 30-03-2021 01:49AM

I RESORTed to (pun intended) spending my nights on Google Maps zooming in and out of places I’d love to visit. Reading reviews of cool bars and restaurants, drooling at pictures of picturesque places when in reality all I’m doing is scrolling, swiping and pinching. This is life in 2021 folks!

bb1234567 · 30-03-2021 01:56AM

https://twitter.com/PhilWMagness/status/1376607203227004936
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1376627040367960064

It's the same thing here in Europe really, if deaths go up in Sweden they receive completely disproportionate scrutiny and blame from European media broadcasters for the rise while other countries like Czech Republic which is same size as Sweden have not seen their 7 days average of deaths dip below 100 since early October are less focused on because they're doing all the 'right things' to stop COVID. It's hard to swallow but there is really is, without doubt, an agenda in global media that does not have the actual interests of people's health at heart. Call it obvious or whatever, but for many people, this is hard to believe and it took me a long time to come to terms with. It seems like actual covid results barely matter across the world, just conforming to expert opinions which have often been wrong, seems to be the only metric of success for a country .

PTH2009 · 30-03-2021 01:58AM

nocoverart wrote: »

I RESORTed to (pun intended) spending my nights on Google Maps zooming in and out of places I’d love to visit. Reading reviews of cool bars and restaurants, drooling at pictures of picturesque places when in reality all I’m doing is scrolling, swiping and pinching. This is life in 2021 folks!

Im after getting addicted to travel videos/vlogs on Youtube

You should check out the youtube channels of Simon Wilson and Noel Philips

Arturo Delgado · 30-03-2021 03:25AM

The Guards put back the Maynooth M4 checkpoint today. What an absolute waste of resources. Delaying workers going home because they have to, you know, work. People don't care about 5km restrictions, it's not practical and it never stopped them. Making people angry by delaying them an hour is totally counterproductive. Government is like a rabbit in headlights unable to make a plan, a decision. NPHET are in control and it needs to stop right now. Wake up people please.

Natterjack from Kerry · 30-03-2021 07:12AM

muddypuppy wrote: »

It’s interesting to look back last May and see what the situation when we reopened. On the week leading to May 19th (13-19):
932 positive swabs
36818 swabs in total
2.5% 7 days positivity rate
786 new cases confirmed (1009 actually, but on the 14th of May 223 extra cases where added that were not notified before)
81 deaths
56 people in ICU (up to the 16th, it’s a pain to find historical data)
688 people in hospital - 390 confirmed, 298 suspected (lot less tests going on)
No vaccines (of course)

This week (24-30):
4,249 positive swabs
125,846 swabs in total
3.4% 7 days positivity rate
4,065 new cases confirmed
81 deaths
70 people in ICU
331 people in hospital
~800k vaccines

—

If you ask me, they look pretty similar. We obviously do a lot more testing and might have more cases, but this is not reflected in the deaths/hospitalisation probably due to the vaccines and better understanding of the virus.
The difference in planning is huge, I was almost laughing at the plan last year but now it looks like a work of art. Clear timeline, steps to take, with the reasoning behind them/ https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e5e599-government-publishes-roadmap-to-ease-covid-19-restrictions-and-reope/ (be sure to check the pdf).

Two big differences though, which increase the uncertainty this year : the virus is 50% more transmissible, and, vaccines rollout. One good, one bad. But they muddy the predictability for the next two months, hence why keeping things tight for what is no lengthy period in the greater scheme, is the right course. The big message to focus on today will not be about the next two months, but about the optimistic prospect from June onwards and the likely hood that we can have a steady level 3 through the summer months. Now that will be good news.

Always_Running · 30-03-2021 07:17AM

RTÉ News reporting this morning that under the recommendation going to Government people would be allowed to travel within counties from mid-April.

The recommendation is in line with advice received by Government from the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) last night.

It is expected to adopt a plan that would allow more outdoor activities for people from the second half of April onwards,

This includes the likely return of children's sports training, senior GAA county training along with tennis and golf at that point

The return to work of construction workers building homes is also expected in the middle of the month.

volono · 30-03-2021 07:29AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I see by the majority of the responses to my post that I was quite correct in using the term "whiners and cry babies".

I don't know why some of you can't make the best of it.

Myself I've managed to clear all my debts and am about to get a mortgage, could never have done that without lockdown.

Also trained myself up in several additional skills, moved job and now earn more and have less costs due to WFH. Again couldn't have done that without lockdown.

Or, you know, sit on your phone reading conspiracy theories and crackpots on Facebook, all the while demanding the govt fix your life because you can't cope with not being able to go to the pub or get a fade cut

Literally couldn't be happier for you and I really mean that. Keep it up. I've lost my job, my partner, spending my savings at , it feels like quite a quick rate at this stage, regardless of my living expensives, which are high enough . I'm now drinking to excess to try and deal with it into it all . I couldn't care less about PUBS. I want the country , as a whole to realise this is now affecting people's mental health extremely negatively. Not everyone is in the same position as yourself.

DellyBelly · 30-03-2021 07:30AM

Always_Running wrote: »

RTÉ News reporting this morning that under the recommendation going to Government people would be allowed to travel within counties from mid-April.

Does that mean the 5km is not being raised from the 5th?

Vicxas · 30-03-2021 07:33AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Does that mean the 5km is not being raised from the 5th?

Looks like another 2 weeks of sneaky level 5

Always_Running · 30-03-2021 07:34AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

Does that mean the 5km is not being raised from the 5th?

Looks like the 15th instead of the 5th now.

Penfailed · 30-03-2021 07:37AM

Kivaro wrote: »

While I understand your sentiment, we should not be "grateful" by the extra 5 km that they may give us. They had no right to impose that type of restriction in the first place. There were other ways to manage this pandemic other than imprisoning the population in 5 km square areas over long drawn out periods not seen anywhere else in the world. Lockdowns were acceptable but not to the extent that the Irish government used them.

It's a 78.5 square kilometre area. Imprisoned?

lawred2 · 30-03-2021 07:39AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

A last minute review on opening hair dressers and barbers need to be taken. No reason they can’t be let open, it would be a big mental lift for everyone.

A big mental lift for everyone?

Bit of a stretch.

Hellrazer · 30-03-2021 07:40AM

Arturo Delgado wrote: »

The Guards put back the Maynooth M4 checkpoint today. What an absolute waste of resources. Delaying workers going home because they have to, you know, work. People don't care about 5km restrictions, it's not practical and it never stopped them. Making people angry by delaying them an hour is totally counterproductive. Government is like a rabbit in headlights unable to make a plan, a decision. NPHET are in control and it needs to stop right now. Wake up people please.

I emailed all my local TDs about this bull****.

One of them came back to me and Im going to quote the email here.

I go through the same checkpoints myself on way to and from the Dáil every day.

I have raised the issue politically but I have been told this is a Garda Matter and political inference in operations is not permitted.

I imagine it is intended to discourage wide scale meeting and mingling over the Easter bank holiday weekend.

So do the Garda work for the government or do the government work for the Garda?

This checkpoint could be located on a slip road to minimise disruption and still have the desired effect - keeping us locked down and pissing people off who are trying to get home is just making the populace get more annoyed.

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