Maritime News Thread

Jim Gazebo · 28-03-2021 02:27AM

Looking at marine traffic the GB Shaw was doing 19 knots towards castletown 5 hours ago. Wonder have they abandoned the trawler altogether now. It's a dirty night out there.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 10:07AM

It looks like the tug nomad is trying to get her under tow, the gb Shaw might need to head for a damage assessment, there may have been a collision while trying to get the tow line connected.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 12:46PM

Unfortunately the boat sank around midday, thankfully no lives lost, a big blow for the crew, owners etc in a very uncertain time for the industry.

Jim Gazebo · 28-03-2021 01:02PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Unfortunately the boat sank around midday, thankfully no lives lost, a big blow for the crew, owners etc in a very uncertain time for the industry.

Very big blow but thankfully all safe. Cheers for the info.

Widdensushi · 28-03-2021 01:14PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Very big blow but thankfully all safe. Cheers for the info.

They have had some ordeal, under tow by another fishing vessel but after the tow line broke they had to abandon the tow, a tug that was on the way back from Spain was diverted, they hit a rogue wave that put in their front windows with such a volume of water that it blew out the wheelhouse door at the back, luckily no one hurt and able to return to port with emergency controls, the lifeboat went out to standby the tug. The gb Shaw went to take the boat under tow but with atrocious conditions and a collision had difficulty to get the line across and the lifeboat was sent out to get the line over.
At some stage yesterday it was decided to get the crew off,the boat had taken a bad list, 4 liferafts were lost in attempts to get them off, 1 helicopter failed and eventually a winch woman managed to get aboard with extreme bravery. A big shout out to the rescue services for going above and beyond.

Tabnabs · 29-03-2021 09:53AM

A very difficult operation in extremely hazardous conditions. It does however highlight once again how we, as an island nation, cannot offer the correct level of protection to our waters, our coastline and our environment.

The next Irish naval vessel should look like this, so when that little fishing boat becomes a ferry, container ship or nuclear submarine, we have the ability to deal effectively and professionally with the job.

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blue5000 · 29-03-2021 02:36PM

Ever given seems to be on the move, listing a bit to port though.

Storm 10 · 29-03-2021 02:43PM

Could they not have diverted one of the three large ocean going Oil Rig/Tug vessels from the Kinsale Gas Platform to tow the Trawler, they are pretty big and well equipped and it would have been no problem to them maybe slow in the conditions but they probably would have saved her they were not very far from the Trawlers position.

Tabnabs · 29-03-2021 03:18PM

I don;t believe there are any large tugs as part of the current operations at the Kinsale field, just supply boats to take the offloaded components ashore. However, there'd be questions over why the NS couldn't do the job and are they not fit for purpose etc. etc. Even if it means we will damage a naval ship in the process, we send these lads out to tow stricken vessels (including that burning Canadian sub off the NW coast that time).

Ships in danger need the right type of vessel to rescue them, in all weathers.

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https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/grounding-narrowly-averted-off-norway

josip · 29-03-2021 04:18PM

This photo really brought it home to me how poor the sight lines are on a ship of this size.

Even from the bridge wings there must be a blind spot of 200m in front of the bow?
I assume they have cameras aiding with that?

AndyBoBandy · 29-03-2021 05:17PM

Dohvolle wrote: »

(Note to windsurfers/saily types, shouting at the bow of a ship this size will not get the attention of the crew, no matter how loud you shout. Steam will not give way to sail in this situation).

Certainly not in a channel, shipping lane or TSS, but out in the open ocean, and with AIS, ships of this size are happy to adjust their course by a degree or 2 to avoid getting too close to a yacht sailing... (who does still have the right of way). Its usually always amicable though, with the ships willing to make a small adjustment.

josip · 29-03-2021 05:20PM

Dohvolle wrote: »

Not at all. If something is that close you won't be able to do anything but hit it. Set your radar alarm for 5 miles and you might have enough time to react if something gets in front of you. Takes a few miles to bring it to a full stop, and even changing course there is quite a delay between putting the helm over and the ship reacting. When manouvering you usually have a first or second officer with a radio telling the Skipper/pilot what he is dealing with.
(Note to windsurfers/saily types, shouting at the bow of a ship this size will not get the attention of the crew, no matter how loud you shout. Steam will not give way to sail in this situation).

Tx. I also found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a3hLZJZmlI&t=125s
from which I can see that this container ship left a gap in the containers at the prow for better visibility.

Markcheese · 29-03-2021 05:28PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

A very difficult operation in extremely hazardous conditions. It does however highlight once again how we, as an island nation, cannot offer the correct level of protection to our waters, our coastline and our environment.

The next Irish naval vessel should look like this, so when that little fishing boat becomes a ferry, container ship or nuclear submarine, we have the ability to deal effectively and professionally with the job.

Yup ... It's probably something we should have gone with earlier , less naval looking and more multipurpose ... Honestly think some of the oilrig service vessels are a good starting point ..
They're not fast in good weather but can keep going in very poor conditions , which is usually when they're needed ..

RadioRetro · 29-03-2021 05:38PM

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Certainly not in a channel, shipping lane or TSS, but out in the open ocean, and with AIS, ships of this size are happy to adjust their course by a degree or 2 to avoid getting too close to a yacht sailing... (who does still have the right of way). Its usually always amicable though, with the ships willing to make a small adjustment.

Feck all yachts have AIS, just the larger ones. Your typical pleasure cruisers don't from what I observe (or not).

AndyBoBandy · 29-03-2021 05:58PM

RadioRetro wrote: »

Feck all yachts have AIS, just the larger ones. Your typical pleasure cruisers don't from what I observe (or not).

No,

The lads knocking around Dublin Bay won’t have it. I don’t have it. But anyone sailing across an ocean, or sailing solo will have it... even if just a Class B receiver so they can get the alerts that they are going to pass by something too close for comfort...

It’s not that expensive these days.... particularly the Class B receivers.... even some VHF radios have it built in.

CJhaughey · 29-03-2021 08:59PM

The French have a very nice vessel based in Brest, the Abeille Bourbon.
Long term leased to the French Navy.
Very nice looking vessel and 200t Bollard pull.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-03-2021 11:14PM

I see Ever Globe went South through the Suez this evening, sister ship of Ever Given, I'd say they had their very best men/women on watch

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:5928921/mmsi:354977000/imo:9786841/vessel:EVER_GLOBE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden-class_container_ship

Jim Gazebo · 30-03-2021 12:31AM

Dohvolle wrote: »

If the NS and the RNLI couldn't maintain a tow there was less chance the support vessels working in the Kinsale field were doing it. They are not designed to tow casualty vessels, they tow large floating platforms using pre-attached cables and chains. Think there is one Anchor Cranker there (or due) but it is designed to haul an anchor of a Semi-sub onto its deck, not pass a floating rope to a trawler.
Then you get involved in the whole area of liability. NS, coasties and rnli were able to put a team aboard with pumps to try and stop the ingress of Water. Anchor Cranker crews only do that when their own boat is sinking.
The local salvage Tug must have been otherwised engaged in Bantry Bay.

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Mick Tator · 30-03-2021 12:42AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

The wind got up and from Saturday it was blowing stink until it eased off earlier today.
As for earlier comments on AIS, in the Kenmare River/Bay there is just one boat (a RIB) with AIS, all others that I have seen are during the summer and invariably visiting yachts. It's not exactly the Channel down here!

Ubbquittious · 30-03-2021 01:00AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Ocean challenger was too busy getting that yoke out of the Suez canal

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 09:22AM

Dohvolle wrote: »

If the NS and the RNLI couldn't maintain a tow there was less chance the support vessels working in the Kinsale field were doing it. They are not designed to tow casualty vessels, they tow large floating platforms using pre-attached cables and chains. Think there is one Anchor Cranker there (or due) but it is designed to haul an anchor of a Semi-sub onto its deck, not pass a floating rope to a trawler.
Then you get involved in the whole area of liability. NS, coasties and rnli were able to put a team aboard with pumps to try and stop the ingress of Water. Anchor Cranker crews only do that when their own boat is sinking.
The local salvage Tug must have been otherwised engaged in Bantry Bay.

Are you telling me that this ship the "Vos Pathfinder" which was stationed at the Kinsale field could not have carried out the tow, she is a big ship and classed for SAR Tug and Rig support vessel, see the details below. Its a pity no one had the cop on to call her in she was close enough to the Trawler. Well done to the Navy and the RNLI in very difficult conditions.

https://www.vroon.nl/Files/VesselParticulars/VOS%20PATHFINDER20170209104438.pdf

https://www.rivieramm.com/news-content-hub/news-content-hub/errvs-versatility-expands-use-beyond-standby-and-rescue-64604

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 09:52AM

That would mean the Pathfinder leaving the job she is doing (standby, safety and close support) and the repercussions that would have on the safety of the people on the platform, up to and including possibly having to evacuate them by helicopter until the standby boat is back on station.

If the fishing boat was a danger to the platform, then that's another story.

AndyBoBandy · 30-03-2021 09:55AM

Yeah, I would have assumed there would be very few reasons a support boat would be allowed to leave it's station supporting an oil/gas rig...

particularly when the weather is pants!!

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 09:58AM

josip wrote: »

This photo really brought it home to me how poor the sight lines are on a ship of this size.

Even from the bridge wings there must be a blind spot of 200m in front of the bow?
I assume they have cameras aiding with that?

All very large ships have poor line of sight forward and it's an issue the Bridge Team will factor into their safe navigation of the ship. They will all know the blind sectors ahead, the shadow sectors of the radars and the stopping distances and times of the ship.

They will do everything in their power to stop their ship getting into a "close quarters" situation.

This is also why you see a harbour patrol craft escorting these big container ships in the Solent in England where leisure vessels will try to dart across in front of them.

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 10:01AM

Tabnabs wrote: »

That would mean the Pathfinder leaving the job she is doing (standby, safety and close support) and the repercussions that would have on the safety of the people on the platform, up to and including possibly having to evacuate them by helicopter until the standby boat is back on station.

If the fishing boat was a danger to the platform, then that's another story.

She was one of three at the platform on the day but she would certainly have done the job, its so sad that the Trawler went down she nearly made it ashore on her own.

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 10:51AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Any of the vessels that can tow out there would have a had a better shot than the navy. Those navy ships are not built for that job, and the crews are not used to that job either. I was surprised the ocean challenger (ex thrax) was not sent out.

It's interesting how the Ellie adhamh went from drifting in relative safety to the weather to taking on water all of a sudden.

Take a look at the Navy towing the Trawler in very difficult conditions

https://www.facebook.com/irishnavalservice/

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 12:18PM

Of course there is also the video of the fishing boat coming into contact with the LÉ GEORGE BERNARD SHAW (P64) as they try to manoeuvre to pass the tow line across. But we don't talk about that...

Some ships are for towing and others for patrolling.

Tabnabs · 30-03-2021 12:42PM

Dohvolle wrote: »

As Stevie Wonder, Elton John and Dionne Warwick once sang...Thats what fenders for.

Not in a (reportedly) 6m swell :pac:

Storm 10 · 30-03-2021 12:49PM

Tabnabs wrote: »

Not in a (reportedly) 6m swell :pac:

Where is the video to be seen

ohnonotgmail · 30-03-2021 12:52PM

Storm 10 wrote: »

Where is the video to be seen

is it not the video on the NS FB page that you linked to? or is that from a different incident?

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