Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

km79 · 29-03-2021 03:50PM

NPHET now have all the data they need
Taking from another thread

Comparing last Sunday & Monday

Last Sunday - 611 from 14,882 - 4.11%
This Sunday - 603 from 19,619 - 3.07%

Last Monday - 506 from 12,722 - 3.98%
Today - 498 from 13,507 - 3.69%

Over to MM now

RGS · 29-03-2021 03:54PM

km79 wrote: »

NPHET now have all the data they need
Taking from another thread

Comparing last Sunday & Monday

Last Sunday - 611 from 14,882 - 4.11%
This Sunday - 603 from 19,619 - 3.07%

Last Monday - 506 from 12,722 - 3.98%
Today - 498 from 13,507 - 3.69%

Over to MM now

Over to MM to rubber stamp NPHETS nonsense again.

scamalert · 29-03-2021 03:56PM

reading all responses here seems Ireland is way to generous with PUP and all the welfare payments, to many people have it way to easy without any physical jobs need to attending to sit online and bitch all day, about just in case situations.

JDxtra · 29-03-2021 03:56PM

They're looking under rocks for cases. They need to stop the fixation with cases.

JDxtra · 29-03-2021 04:00PM

scamalert wrote: »

reading all responses here seems Ireland is way to generous with PUP and all the welfare payments, to many people have it way to easy without any physical jobs need to attending to sit online and bitch all day, about just in case situations.

Some on PUP now earning as much or more... without having to lift a finger. Many I know doing jobs on the side.

Also well paid civil servants I personally know loving this. Full pay, doing a few bits, no commute - kick back watch Netflix or go for a walk.

Then we have the hypochondriacs loving lockdowns too because of the scary virus (and the worse variants!) out there trying to jump up and grab them.

TonyMaloney · 29-03-2021 04:01PM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Sure. Keep repeating that - its never going to make it true.

You mean you're never going to accept it.

Captain Barnacles · 29-03-2021 04:07PM

froog wrote: »

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

Do you actually really believe this nonsense ?

Arturo Delgado · 29-03-2021 04:10PM

No plan, no leadership. An absolute scandal. The country is going to hell and our political parties dancing on eggshells. We need a plan, a roadmap out of this. This fixation with Covid has got to end. Life goes on, it has too. I hope people get very angry when they see the fudge coming tomorrow. Much hand wringing and squirming by Martin et al.

facehugger99 · 29-03-2021 04:13PM

froog wrote: »

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

Ironically the reason we are still in L5 is because there are so many people willing to blindly follow whatever nonsense NPHET blurt out.

The likes of Germany, France, the UK, the US and dozens of other countries would not have put up with this for so long - they value their freedom too much.

We have traded ours away for fcuk all.

29-03-2021 04:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

So with all that uber amounts of caution you still got it?

Yes, back last March, when I had to go to the hospital for an unrelated reason.

Did you have a point?

SAMTALK · 29-03-2021 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I will, as I have been from the start. But not because of “the numbers” - because I have always had a moral and philosophical objection to draconian governance. Deviating from the principle of public consent is (IMO of course) dangerous and repugnant. And I’m not about to stop complaining about it because my actions were consistent with my belief. I hope that makes sense.

That’s assuming I’m still here in 6-8 weeks. Currently waiting for a UK property to be vacated so we can move into it.

So from the start last year you had a problem with restrictions ? I'm not arguing with you by the way, but did you not think last March that yes we needed restrictions to get a hold of this virus

RobitTV · 29-03-2021 04:15PM

One *outdoor* measure being relaxed per week is being considered...

Irish Times - The Cabinet is expected to consider a phased return of outdoor activities when Ministers meet to decide on what restrictions to ease from April 5th. Sources have said one measure per week could be relaxed as part of the Government’s new plan.

Moving in increments could minimise the risk of rapidly losing control of case numbers, which remain at a high plateau, sources believe.

“The ‘big bang’ means we could go from 600 cases a day to 2,000 cases a week,” a Government source said. “It allows us to be that little bit more cautious, especially with what we’re seeing elsewhere. We’ve had a third wave, most of Europe is in their third wave, and we don’t want a fourth wave.”

This could mean that the 5km travel restriction is eased one week, the remaining school classes on another and later in April two households could meet outdoors in a park but not in a private garden.

Irish Times

Captain Barnacles · 29-03-2021 04:17PM

So when is an official announcement being made ?

seamusk84 · 29-03-2021 04:19PM

RobitTV wrote: »

One *outdoor* measure being relaxed per week is being considered...

Irish Times - The Cabinet is expected to consider a phased return of outdoor activities when Ministers meet to decide on what restrictions to ease from April 5th. Sources have said one measure per week could be relaxed as part of the Government’s new plan.

two households could meet outdoors in a park but not in a private garden.

Irish Times

Not in a garden. That part particularly galls me.

If they had any sense they would allow people to meet in their gardens. By saying this will still not be allowed, it will just mean people will continue to meet indoors in their houses.

Where is the logic here? I thought we are trying to curb the virus, not force it underground.

Sobit1964 · 29-03-2021 04:20PM

later in April two households could meet outdoors in a park but not in a private garden.

They really suck at presenting something in a manner that doesn't get the hackles up.

FintanMcluskey · 29-03-2021 04:21PM

Captain Barnacles wrote: »

So when is an official announcement being made ?

When we have eaten all our dinner and done all of our homework the man is going to tell us where we can go for the next while.

I hope you behaved good like I did

darconio · 29-03-2021 04:22PM

You know what's infuriating? the fact that despite all the evidence that the lockdown doesn't work and is a draconian measure, despite the ineptitude of the government and the people in charge, there is still a big number of users supporting them and actually blaming the average joe for the catastrophic economic/social situation.
In this together do you remember?
We have wasted 1 year behind this, now is time to accept that we want to live, we want our freedom back, we are keeping everything locked because the very essence of selfness is located exactly in those that want lockdown at all costs: I've done my part, time for you to do yours.

the kelt · 29-03-2021 04:25PM

RobitTV wrote: »

One *outdoor* measure being relaxed per week is being considered...

Irish Times - The Cabinet is expected to consider a phased return of outdoor activities when Ministers meet to decide on what restrictions to ease from April 5th. Sources have said one measure per week could be relaxed as part of the Government’s new plan.

Moving in increments could minimise the risk of rapidly losing control of case numbers, which remain at a high plateau, sources believe.

“The ‘big bang’ means we could go from 600 cases a day to 2,000 cases a week,” a Government source said. “It allows us to be that little bit more cautious, especially with what we’re seeing elsewhere. We’ve had a third wave, most of Europe is in their third wave, and we don’t want a fourth wave.”

This could mean that the 5km travel restriction is eased one week, the remaining school classes on another and later in April two households could meet outdoors in a park but not in a private garden.

Irish Times

Its almost like theyve had a meeting to decide "if we have to ease some restrictions whats the most annoying way possible of doing do!"

Or maybe thats just me? At this stage i dont really know anymore.

29-03-2021 04:26PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

So from the start last year you had a problem with restrictions ? I'm not arguing with you by the way, but did you not think last March that yes we needed restrictions to get a hold of this virus

No. I was very concerned about the virus when I started following news of it from China in December/January 2020, and thought it would be way worse than it had been. But my opinion is and has always been that the only way to deal with it is radical honesty from government, unfiltered information and recommendation, and letting people and businesses make decisions for themselves. If a business decides to bar people without face coverings, that is its own decision.

The problem we have now is that people are not actually thinking for themselves and therefore don’t think they have to. We’ve gone so far down the nanny state road that when things eventually do open up, people will see it as a sign that all risk is gone and will stop taking precautions.

There are myriad things I would not be doing right now regardless of restrictions (seeing vulnerable relatives and so on), and there are similarly thing I *will* do regardless of them. Much the same as I never drove 80 on a winding country road even when the sign told me I could, but I was alright doing 130 on a quiet motorway.

If the government had focused on minding nursing homes and healthcare settings, increasing the capacity of the healthcare system and advising the citizenry on preventative measures (even speculative, if harmless) then we’d be in a much better position. And blaming people for wanting to behave like people will never, in my eyes, absolve them.

km79 · 29-03-2021 04:27PM

They have “commited to review construction restrictions “
In yere own time lads
It’s not like people need homes anyway .....

TonyMaloney · 29-03-2021 04:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No. I was very concerned about the virus when I started following news of it from China in December/January 2020, and thought it would be way worse than it had been. But my opinion is and has always been that the only way to deal with it is radical honesty from government, unfiltered information and recommendation, and letting people and businesses make decisions for themselves. If a business decides to bar people without face coverings, that is its own decision.

You've decided it's safe enough to have dinner parties. I see from Boggles post that you have kids. I assume you're sending them to creche/school?

If so you're a classic example of why public health has had to make massive interventions on all of us.

29-03-2021 04:35PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You've decided it's safe enough to have dinner parties. I see from Boggles post that you have kids. I assume you're sending them to creche/school?

If so you're a classic example of why public health has had to make massive interventions on all of us.

Dinner party is singular.

The children broke up for Easter on Friday. Which is why Saturday was the date picked. They will be two weeks before they’re mixing with other children whose households may not be so cautious with the elderly/vulnerable again.

Sorry you can’t trust your own judgment, Tone.

RobitTV · 29-03-2021 04:36PM

Mícheál Martin always has this unbearable smirk. Great to see Fianna Failures on 11% in the most recent opinion poll.

https://twitter.com/EFFanning/status/1376548295804399620

SAMTALK · 29-03-2021 04:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No. I was very concerned about the virus when I started following news of it from China in December/January 2020, and thought it would be way worse than it had been. But my opinion is and has always been that the only way to deal with it is radical honesty from government, unfiltered information and recommendation, and letting people and businesses make decisions for themselves. If a business decides to bar people without face coverings, that is its own decision.

The problem we have now is that people are not actually thinking for themselves and therefore don’t think they have to. We’ve gone so far down the nanny state road that when things eventually do open up, people will see it as a sign that all risk is gone and will stop taking precautions.

There are myriad things I would not be doing right now regardless of restrictions (seeing vulnerable relatives and so on), and there are similarly thing I *will* do regardless of them. Much the same as I never drove 80 on a winding country road even when the sign told me I could, but I was alright doing 130 on a quiet motorway.

If the government had focused on minding nursing homes and healthcare settings, increasing the capacity of the healthcare system and advising the citizenry on preventative measures (even speculative, if harmless) then we’d be in a much better position. And blaming people for wanting to behave like people will never, in my eyes, absolve them.

I totally agree re nursing homes (non private) and healthcare. This has always been an issue in ireland and I think always will, much to our shame

We can blame NPHET, we can blame the government but it's down to the general public to try and halt this as much as possible ( without a lot of the restrictions that are in place ).

The way I see it is if the government give the people an inch they will take a mile, as already people are going about their business as much as is possible

Best of luck with the move by the way

29-03-2021 04:48PM

At least NPHET have agreed to some easing!

titan18 · 29-03-2021 04:48PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Mícheál Martin always has this unbearable smirk. Great to see Fianna Failures on 11% in the most recent opinion poll.

https://twitter.com/EFFanning/status/1376548295804399620

Definitely had haircuts the two of them too.

29-03-2021 04:48PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

The way I see it is if the government give the people an inch they will take a mile, as already people are going about their business as much as is possible

Best of luck with the move by the way

I guess I just don’t feel this way. I think people are generally pretty sensible and good at accounting for various risks. I don’t hold “the great unwashed” in any particular disdain.

Thanks for the well wishes. I think we’ll need ‘em lol. Speaking to UK family who are starting to benefit from the (albeit slow) return of their liberties though, so it’ll be worth it.

Aph2016 · 29-03-2021 04:49PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Mícheál Martin always has this unbearable smirk. Great to see Fianna Failures on 11% in the most recent opinion poll.

https://twitter.com/EFFanning/status/1376548295804399620

MM is infuriating. He has absolutely zero backbone, his level of leadership is appalling.

LessOutragePlz · 29-03-2021 04:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At least NPHET have agreed to some easing!

Yeah how nice of them to let people in counties with very low cases move 5km further than the original 5km.

Absolute joke that regional restrictions aren't even being considered.

Look at Sligo, Leitrim, Cork and Kerry and tell me that they should still be in a level 5 lockdown beyond April 5th!

Vicxas · 29-03-2021 05:03PM

People, remember this next time Fianna Fail come to the door asking you to vote for them.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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