Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ShyMets

LameBeaver wrote: »

If someone makes a claim such as this poster and for that matter others have then it is entirely justifiable to ask for some evidence to be provided that events happened as claimed. And as for your bolded comment I`ll take it on advisement chief.

Nothing passive aggressive about that comment at all

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm simplify it for you.

If unvaccinated people have dinner parties, this will increase community transmission as you have different households mixing. You have no immunity to this virus. Could spread it to the parents etc.

I don't particularly care about your risk tolerance, I was just stating that your assumption that it's safe to have dinner parties with unvaccinated friends was misguided and displayed cloudy judgement.

Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

Interesting.

Makes you wonder how the virus is spreading at all.

froog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

****ing hell.

the kelt

Graham wrote: »

I think we're going to see one of two things happen as the vaccine rollout progresses.

Either the number of hospitalisations will steadily drop, or the average age of those hospitalised will drop.

Hopefully it will be the number of hospitalisations as that should be the best indicator restrictions can change.

Is it entirely possible that in reality with the new strain and the fact schools are back (and should remain so hopefully) that when it comes to case numbers will remain in or around the 500 point?

Genuine question?

Is it just foolish to be expecting case numbers to fall any lower?

My understanding is that case numbers have remained relatively static in or around the 50/600 mark yet hospitalisations and numbers in ICU have dropped. I stand to be corrected on that as dont have figures to hand)

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

But the poster was suggesting that because he wasn't having dinner with unvaccinated over 80s, that there was no risk.

You’ll be able to link to where I said there was no risk easily enough then, sure?

LameBeaver

ShyMets wrote: »

Nothing passive aggressive about that comment at all

Glad you agree chief.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Interesting.

Makes you wonder how the virus is spreading at all.

The fact that SARS-CoV-2 does not spontaneously the air makes you wonder how it’s spreading at all?

A lot of your posts make much more sense now.

Graham

the kelt wrote: »

Is it entirely possible that in reality with the new strain and the fact schools are back (and should remain so hopefully) that when it comes to case numbers will remain in or around the 500 point?

Genuine question?

Is it just foolish to be expecting case numbers to fall any lower?

My understanding is that case numbers have remained relatively static in or around the 50/600 mark yet hospitalisations and numbers in ICU have dropped. I stand to be corrected on that as dont have figures to hand)

That's a really good question, I think only time will tell us the answer.

I guessed a few posts back that either the number of hospitalisations will steadily drop, or the average age of those hospitalised will drop.

If hospitalisations start to drop steadily/consistently, happy days

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

How do you know that you don't have COVID right now? Do you ask for negative PCR's before you allow anbody into your dinner parties?

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact that SARS-CoV-2 does not spontaneously the air makes you wonder how it’s spreading at all?

no idea what you're trying to say there Cymro.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

You're missing the point there.

It has been estimated that up to 80% of people with covid are asymptomatic. But that does not mean they will not either spread or develop the disease.

In fact that is what what has led to the setting up of pop up testing as .many simply do not know they've became infected at least in the early stages.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/high-level-of-asymptomatic-covid-cases-in-dublin-hot-spot-a-worry-1.4522485

I'm amazed some don't seem to understand this tbh.

ShyMets

LameBeaver wrote: »

Glad you agree chief.

I'd kindly ask you not to refer to me as chief

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you know that you don't have COVID right now? Do you ask for negative PCR's before you allow anbody into your dinner parties?

I don’t know that I don’t have Covid-19 right now.

I mean it’s very unlikely, since I’ve already had it, but I don’t *know* that I don’t have it.

What difference does that make to a meeting of people who have judged the risk tolerable for themselves and pose no risk of infection to anyone else?

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

You're missing the point there.

It has been estimated that up to 80% of people with covid are asymptomatic. But that does not mean they will not either spread or develop the disease.

In fact that is what what has led to the setting up of pop up testing as .many simply do not know they've became infected at least in the early stages.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/high-level-of-asymptomatic-covid-cases-in-dublin-hot-spot-a-worry-1.4522485

I'm amazed some don't seem to understand this tbh.

I understand it perfectly, but I’m not meeting with or in contact with anyone who has not expressly decided to take that risk for themselves. Nor will I be for the next couple of weeks, at which point my child will go back to school and there will again be a dozen households’ worth of mixing happening every day.

Which of course is fine for many here. As long as “someone in charge” is making the decisions about their risk tolerance for them.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t know that I don’t have Covid-19 right now.

I mean it’s very unlikely, since I’ve already had it, but I don’t *know* that I don’t have it.

What difference does that make to a meeting of people who have judged the risk tolerable for themselves and pose no risk of infection to anyone else?

It increases chances of community transmission. I don't understand how you are not getting this. How is there no risk to anyone else?

I get your general sentiment and it's good that you are taking precautions but your actions are increasing risk of community transmission which has being my only point.



Say if you did catch it off one of your mates, are you saying you don't go to the shops/ get your NCT done/ hang out with your children during the evening?

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Which of course is fine for many here. As long as “someone in charge” is making the decisions about their risk tolerance for them.

Perhaps unsurprisingly some put a higher value on children's education than dinner parties.

YMMV

CalamariFritti

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.

Maybe we should look up the definition of pandemic every now and then. That may be the source of the confusion here.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Say if you did catch it off one of your mates, are you saying you don't go to the shops/ get your NCT done/ hang out with your children during the evening?

We all work from home. We all click and collect groceries (and have done since the start of the pandemic to free up delivery slots for those more in need), my car doesn’t need an NCT, and the kids were with us after just spending a few weeks in class with 13 other households anyway.

I have milk and bread in the spare freezer I bought back in January 2020 when I (mistakenly) thought this thing was Captain Trips on acid, so yeah, I’m saying that BECAUSE I was in a slightly risky social situation I will now be minimising my social contacts as much as possible for the next week or two. As I have been for the vast majority of the last year and 3 months, since I was watching this thing obsessively last January and wearing a mask in shops when it still got you significant side-eye.

None of the adults who were present have seen their parents for months, and don’t expect to until they’re vaccinated.

There was also a HEPA filtered air purifier running in the case it matters.

We’re just not prepared to forego ALL meaningful human contact at all any longer. So we take tolerable risks for ourselves and then minimise the affect of those risks anyone else.

It’s not something I feel bad about.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We all work from home. We all click and collect groceries (and have done since the start of the pandemic to free up delivery slots for those more in need), my car doesn’t need an NCT, and the kids were with us after just spending a few weeks in class with 13 other households anyway.

I have milk and bread in the spare freezer I bought back in January 2020 when I (mistakenly) thought this thing was Captain Trips on acid, so yeah, I’m saying that BECAUSE I was in a slightly risky social situation I will now be minimising my social contacts as much as possible for the next week or two. As I have been for the vast majority of the last year and 3 months, since I was watching this thing obsessively last January and wearing a mask in shops when it still got you significant side-eye.

None of the adults who were present have seen their parents for months, and don’t expect to until they’re vaccinated.

There was also a HEPA filtered air purifier running in the case it matters.

We’re just not prepared to forego ALL meaningful human contact at all any longer. So we take tolerable risks for ourselves and then minimise I left affect of those risks anyone else.

It’s not something I feel bad about.

I love how people are trying to turn catching covid into a moral failing, like we're living in a remake of the scarlet letter or something

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Perhaps unsurprisingly some put a higher value on children's education than dinner parties.

YMMV

And yet much of the discussion about children has focused on the human need for social interaction.

Funny that.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

I love how people are trying to turn catching covid into a moral failing, like we're living in a remake of the scarlet letter or something

I had covid at the beginning of the year. Don't think I had any moral failings dilemmas!

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

I love how people are trying to turn catching covid into a moral failing, like we're living in a remake of the scarlet letter or something

And anyone who’s not following the letter of the (incoherently illogical) law is some uneducated scrote coughing their way ‘round all the local shops first chance they get.

:rolleyes:

froog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We all work from home. We all click and collect groceries (and have done since the start of the pandemic to free up delivery slots for those more in need), my car doesn’t need an NCT, and the kids were with us after just spending a few weeks in class with 13 other households anyway.

I have milk and bread in the spare freezer I bought back in January 2020 when I (mistakenly) thought this thing was Captain Trips on acid, so yeah, I’m saying that BECAUSE I was in a slightly risky social situation I will now be minimising my social contacts as much as possible for the next week or two. As I have been for the vast majority of the last year and 3 months, since I was watching this thing obsessively last January and wearing a mask in shops when it still got you significant side-eye.

None of the adults who were present have seen their parents for months, and don’t expect to until they’re vaccinated.

There was also a HEPA filtered air purifier running in the case it matters.

We’re just not prepared to forego ALL meaningful human contact at all any longer. So we take tolerable risks for ourselves and then minimise the affect of those risks anyone else.

It’s not something I feel bad about.

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

FintanMcluskey

froog wrote: »

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

No

The reason we are still in level 5, and have been for months longer than other EU nations, is because we insisted on following the most cautious approach possible and only concerned ourselves with Covid.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/25/covid-19-in-europe-france-extends-partial-lockdowns-to-more-parts-of-country-as-cases-surg

The French can leave their homes for unlimited periods within a 10-kilometre radius. But people can only meet in groups of up to six, and travel between regions is banned unless for urgent reasons. Most shops are closed but there are exemptions, and schools remain open.

The measures are more flexible and less restrictive than a year ago, when the first lockdown was imposed on the country as the new disease took hold.
The government has again backed off ordering a tough lockdown, despite an increasingly alarming situation in hospitals with a rise in the number of COVID-19 patients.

Véran defended the decision, questioning whether a full lockdown would be accepted by French people who were "exhausted by fighting tirelessly for a year". But he did not rule out stricter measures if the situation continued to deteriorate.

I quoted that yesterday, but it summarises the severity of the crisis in Ireland right now. It’s a really poignant piece. And it’s an indication of the severity of the lockdown related effects that will face Ireland in the coming years.

According to Irish media last weekend France were going into a strict lockdown, an implication that the Irish are lucky they are not living like the French, the poor buggers.

Turns out their strict lockdown, is less suppressive than our relaxation for the next 2 months

Ireland’s approach has gone from flatten the curve to a just in case the health service gets busy

Sobit1964

froog wrote: »

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

Sure. Keep repeating that - its never going to make it true.

Pitch n Putt

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No

The reason we are still in level 5, and have been for months longer than other EU nations, is because we insisted on following the most cautious approach possible and only concerned ourselves with Covid.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/25/covid-19-in-europe-france-extends-partial-lockdowns-to-more-parts-of-country-as-cases-surg



I quoted that yesterday, but it summarises the severity of the crisis in Ireland right now. It’s a really poignant piece. And it’s an indication of the severity of the lockdown related effects that will face Ireland in the coming years.

According to Irish media last weekend France were going into a strict lockdown, an implication that the Irish are lucky they are not living like the French, the poor buggers.

Turns out their strict lockdown, is less suppressive than our relaxation for the next 2 months

Ireland’s approach has gone from flatten the curve to a just in case the health service gets busy

A just incase the total incompetence in the Hse is shown up.

We have handed the decision making of the country to those with an immediate conflict of interest in what they’re actually protecting. The Hse.

It’s like turkeys not voting for Christmas in this instance. And the lap dog cowardly government are totally hiding behind them.

At the cost of the country for years to come.

Hopefully this is never forgotten by the people of this country ....

froog

froog wrote: »

Good for you. You do realise the reason we are still in level 5 three months after Christmas is because of people like yourself who have decided the rules dont apply to them, while most of the country are still doing their bit.

Well, assuming that "people like me" are not going to stop doing what we're doing, it would seem that the current strategy is not fit for purpose.

lawred2

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

A just incase the total incompetence in the Hse is shown up.

We have handed the decision making of the country to those with an immediate conflict of interest in what they’re actually protecting. The Hse.

It’s like turkeys not voting for Christmas in this instance. And the lap dog cowardly government are totally hiding behind them.

At the cost of the country for years to come.

Hopefully this is never forgotten by the people of this country ....

Irish Banks bailed out in 2009

people of this country - "Never voting FF again"

2020 - FF Taoiseach

Wouldn't hold your breath

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t know that I don’t have Covid-19 right now.

I mean it’s very unlikely, since I’ve already had it, but I don’t *know* that I don’t have it.

What difference does that make to a meeting of people who have judged the risk tolerable for themselves and pose no risk of infection to anyone else?

Deleted User wrote: »

We all work from home. We all click and collect groceries (and have done since the start of the pandemic to free up delivery slots for those more in need), my car doesn’t need an NCT, and the kids were with us after just spending a few weeks in class with 13 other households anyway.

I have milk and bread in the spare freezer I bought back in January 2020 when I (mistakenly) thought this thing was Captain Trips on acid, so yeah, I’m saying that BECAUSE I was in a slightly risky social situation I will now be minimising my social contacts as much as possible for the next week or two. As I have been for the vast majority of the last year and 3 months, since I was watching this thing obsessively last January and wearing a mask in shops when it still got you significant side-eye.

None of the adults who were present have seen their parents for months, and don’t expect to until they’re vaccinated.

There was also a HEPA filtered air purifier running in the case it matters.

We’re just not prepared to forego ALL meaningful human contact at all any longer. So we take tolerable risks for ourselves and then minimise the affect of those risks anyone else.

It’s not something I feel bad about.

So with all that uber amounts of caution you still got it?