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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #1412
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    retro:electro wrote: »
    He is an absolutely pathetic person

    The role of journalists are to inform the public, not deliberately mislead them. He is a disgrace, and so are his employers standing over such brazen lies.


  • #1413
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

    Do you have evidence for any of that?


  • #1414
    newuser99999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

    The health service has never functioned correctly lol.

    Why wouldn’t you be able to have cancer treatments or screenings?


  • #1415
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I don't understand why cancer screening or treatment would have to stop. What has that got to do with covid?

    (apart from post surgical ICU care)


  • #1416
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Surely all them folks in Dry robes are super spreaders ,
    they seem to think because they are woke sea swimmer they can gather in large number and be fine ?


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  • #1417
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I don't understand why cancer screening or treatment would have to stop. What has that got to do with covid?

    (apart from post surgical ICU care)

    Loads of medical staff were off sick due to Covid, meaning many teams couldn't function properly. There were quite a few staff that had to be redeployed to focusing on urgent Covid care too.

    Then just following the Covid regs mean you can't have lots of people in waiting rooms for cancer clinics/screenings, you need staggered appointments. There were/are whole areas of hospitals that became Covid wards/areas instead of what they were previously. There are lots of reasons really that meant non-Covid care got reduced.


  • #1418
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

    Hundreds dead a DAY?


  • #1419
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    The lockdowns prevented many deaths from the virus. Like, people would be sick in huge numbers, the system would not be able to function correctly, the screenings would be unavailable anyway, so without lockdown you’d have a screwed HC system, hundreds dead a day and no cancer treatments or screenings. Is that what you are advocating for?

    exactly, I cant figure out why people cannot understand this...


  • #1420
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    zinfandel wrote: »
    exactly, I cant figure out why people cannot understand this...

    Hundreds dead a day?


  • #1421
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Hundreds dead a DAY?

    if it had been allowed run rampant and the hospitals got overwhelmed it would easily have been 100's a day plus the people with other problems who could not get into hospital,


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  • #1422
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    zinfandel wrote: »
    if it had been allowed run rampant and the hospitals got overwhelmed it would easily have been 100's a day plus the people with other problems who could not get into hospital,

    You know it is possible to take precautions and not lock down everything for the best part of year. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.


  • #1423
    mayordenis
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Hundreds dead a DAY?

    Obviously, yes.


  • #1424
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Tennis and golf could have a delayed reopening it seems.


  • #1425
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you have evidence for any of that?

    Lombardy March 2020.

    About 10 million citizens in an area the size of Munster with one of the oldest population demographic’s in the world

    Similar demographics to Ireland.


  • #1426
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,302 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19


  • #1427
    cjyid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭cjyid


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

    AKA the government bowing to NPHET again.


  • #1428
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

    Translation: "Government crippled by cowardice, overly deferential to NPHET which actually holds the reins of power in Ireland despite being a single-issue entity".


  • #1429
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Tennis and golf could have a delayed reopening it seems.

    I don't play tennis or golf and have no intention of taking them up but if true that is some joke


  • #1430
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,712 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Translation: "Government crippled by cowardice, overly deferential to NPHET which actually holds the reins of power in Ireland despite being a single-issue entity".

    This has Micheal Martin written all over it.


  • #1431
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

    NPHET = No Policy for Health Except Trepidation


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  • #1432
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    I miss Leo

    Michael has as much spine as wet Origami


  • #1433
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The man is an utter coward with all the leadership qualities of a wet dishcloth.

    Has to be the most useless government in the history of the state. Hiding behind an unelected advisory board.


  • #1434
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    If Cork has 20 cases again today, and its still under the full level 5, it will really be a disgrace. 5 or 6 counties do need level 5, regional needs to come back. That way greater enforcement can be put in the areas that require it and more policing on the roads that need it etc, taken away from the areas that do not.


  • #1435
    darem93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭darem93


    Micheal might as well just let Philip Nolan or Ronan Glynn do the announcement tomorrow, considering - despite being leader of the country - he has practically gone into hiding and seems to have just handed the entire reins over to NPHET.

    I'm sure there's nothing he'd love more than being able to wash his hands of it. It's like when you work in customer service and beg one of your co-workers to call back that person who made a complaint because you don't want to deal with the flak :pac:


  • #1436
    Sparko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Sparko


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    More caution, that's good. If there's one thing we've been lacking in all this, it's caution.

    An abundance of caution.


  • #1437
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Sparko wrote: »
    An abundance of caution.

    Frozen stiff


  • #1438
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You mean SA? Brazil? Florida? The autumn European surge starting 2 months before the normal winter virus season? New surges in spring in Europe, at the end of normal winter virus season?
    The surge you're referring to is presumably to do with positive tests.
    I'd be hesitant to draw any conclusions from positive covid test figures as many of these are asymptomatic, and who knows how many asymptomatic cases happened last year so that data is incomplete.

    I'd argue the covid death figures are more indicative of what's happening, and do point to seasonality.
    A cursory look at Covid deaths in Europe for example shows peak deaths were in Dec/Jan.
    The deaths in Europe are tapering slightly now as we enter spring.

    Further to that, there has been a fair deal of data regarding the instability of the virus with varying humidity, temperature, and UV levels which obviously varies from country to country throughout the year, and would suggest the virus may be stronger/weaker as these fluctuate with the seasons. Depends on the local climate.

    Also, seasonality does not mean the virus will follow the exact same pattern as Flu, it just means the virus has a cycle (can be prevalent at one time in the calendar, or even multi-annually).

    Obviously there are numerous competing factors including lockdowns, vaccinations, weakened immune-systems in winter due to reduced sunlight etc.

    Feel free to disagree.


  • #1439
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    That's pretty remarkable given the population is about 8 million.

    https://twitter.com/Coronavirusgoo1/status/1376482539431415808?s=20


  • #1440
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

    Good Lord

    Even more cautious

    Have to laugh at the government

    They're going to make SFA changes anyway


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  • #1441
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1376519668580634632?s=19

    No point in speculating really, we all know not much changes in April anyway. It's been pretty well flagged there's only a handful of changes coming.

    1 in RTE says one thing, another says something else..
    https://twitter.com/RTENewsAtOne/status/1376510954570125320?s=20


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