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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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    #4952
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We're not talking about equality of opportunity.

    No, but focusing solely on a single metric is not looking at the full picture.

    If you didn't pay the men more would their performance be better or worse? Would they win more or less? Can the value of the revenue be linked to the actual players or simply the team itself?


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    #4953
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    We're not talking about equality of opportunity.

    Except you are
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You can either support capitalism or you can support equality.

    Pick a team.


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    #4954
    scuba8
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭scuba8


    MisterAnarchy wrote: »
    Biden needs to give the identity politics a break.

    Calling for equal pay for the US Womens football team.

    Its called the free market Joe.
    The pay male footballers get is directly related to how much revenue that male football produces.
    The better the male player the more he is worth.
    So if females want to be paid the same as males they will have to generate the same income that male players do.

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1375809947754233857
    If you look up the records you will find that in fact the US Women’s soccer team attract more support and bigger gates than the US Men’s soccer team.
    So they are in fact looking for exactly what you suggest.


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    #4955
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Except you are

    If that's what you've deduced from my contributions, I apologise.


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    #4956
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If that's what you've deduced from my contributions, I apologise.

    Do you dispute the papers data that discredits your statement that you can't have both capitalism and equality? Or were you wrong to say that?


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    #4957
    Roanmore
    Registered Users Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The MLS vs. NWSL is a no contest. Even with the best American players signed to central contracts, the NWSL cannot compete.

    Both the men's national team and women's national team agreed their contracts via collective bargaining. The women have guaranteed contracts w/performance bonuses. The men are essentially 'pay as you play' and are only paid based on how well they're doing.

    As for the Guardian piece...

    "We can gauge popularity of women’s football. Time to up the prize money."

    yet she provides no evidence.

    Her whole argument centres around viewing figures of free-to-air TV. A worthless metric.

    Did you not read the CNBC article?
    As for providing no evidence she provided the same as you when you came back with "Not True"


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    #4958
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,659 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Roanmore wrote: »
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/22/womens-football-prize-money-world-cup

    From the Guardian link here "If you put to one side the massive exception of the USA women’s national team generating more income than their male counterparts yet being paid less"

    They generated more gate receipts, there is quite a difference.

    What about tv rights, tournament qualification money, sponsorship deals etc.

    In order for the USF to get Men to play for their county their wages need to be compensated while on international duty.
    Men’s domestic football generates much more money then their female counterparts hence why men get more money.
    The US Men will get a minimum 12m dollars prizemoney if they qualify for the next World Cup , the women got 4m for winning the last World Cup.
    The US will host the 2026 Mens World Cup.

    The women were offered the same deal as the men but they turned it down because they would lose the security they had on their old contract.
    Men only get paid when they represent their country.
    No play no pay .
    Women get paid regardless, a proportion of their base salary and bonus if the win a game .

    The judge in the case even admitted this, saying that the women were already paid more than the men.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0502/1136240-judge-rules-against-us-wnt-in-equal-pay-dispute/
    Judge R. Gary Klausner of the United States District Court for the Central District of California ruled in favor of US Soccer, dismissing players' claims that they were underpaid in comparison with the men's national team.

    "The WNT (Women's National Team) has been paid more on both a cumulative and an average per-game basis than the MNT (Men's National Team) over the class period," the court said in its summary judgment.


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    #4959
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Do you dispute the papers data that discredits your statement that you can't have both capitalism and equality? Or were you wrong to say that?
    The paper does not discredit my statement because we're talking about two different things.


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    #4960
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Roanmore wrote: »
    Did you not read the CNBC article?
    As for providing no evidence she provided the same as you when you came back with "Not True"

    I replied with a simple fact.
    Roanmore wrote: »
    In 2019 Women's football generated more money that the Men's, has there been a massive change in that time?

    This is the post I replied to.

    In 2019 men generated more money than women in the world of US soccer.

    US women's national team generating more than the US men's national team is a totally different statement.


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    #4961
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    It's amazing how the regulars stay away from this thread when actual issues are being discussed.


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    #4962
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Biden has made zero effort into fulfilling his election promise to end the forever wars in places like Syria. It's hilarious that Biden's administration includes many hawks from the Obama years who are eager to return to the policy that witnessed saint Obama bomb seven sovereign nations in 6 short years.

    All this signals a return to business as usual where the state department and pentagon spearhead America's imperialist ambitions abroad.

    The swamp is back in action.


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    #4963
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Biden has made zero effort into fulfilling his election promise to end the forever wars in places like Syria. It's hilarious that Biden's administration includes many hawks from the Obama years who are eager to return to the policy that witnessed saint Obama bomb seven sovereign nations in 6 short years.

    All this signals a return to business as usual where the state department and pentagon spearhead America's imperialist ambitions abroad.

    The swamp is back in action.

    The swamp never dried up.


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    #4964
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The paper does not discredit my statement because we're talking about two different things.

    So what is it that you actually meant when you said
    Deleted User wrote: »
    You can either support capitalism or you can support equality.

    Pick a team.


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    #4965
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Biden has made zero effort into fulfilling his election promise to end the forever wars in places like Syria. It's hilarious that Biden's administration includes many hawks from the Obama years who are eager to return to the policy that witnessed saint Obama bomb seven sovereign nations in 6 short years.

    Yes, it's quite easy to point to some things that he said he would do within his four year term but that he has not done yet within his first three months. Troops in Syria bombed a base that contained American soldiers, it is not as simple a situation as you are suggesting. Ending forever wars does not mean stopping everything immediately.

    Of course, you are apparently free to point out that bombings did take place while Obama was president. But of course, I will instead be condemned by certain folk for pointing out that Trump dropped significantly more bombs in his four years than Obama did in his eight years.

    How do you feel about the number of election promises that Biden has already fulfilled in just his first three months?


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    #4966
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's amazing how the regulars stay away from this thread when actual issues are being discussed.

    It's Monday afternoon, some of us have to work. At least most of us are interested in discussing actual issues, unlike certain posters.


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    #4967
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    So what is it that you actually meant when you said

    Capitalism is all about who can make the most profit.

    Capitalism doesn't care whether you're man, woman, child or a kangaroo, it wants profit.

    Capitalism relies on the exploitation of others.


    Gina Haspel was the head of the CIA for three years, it didn't stop the Americans bombing countries.


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    #4968
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    extra gravy wrote: »
    It's Monday afternoon, some of us have to work. At least most of us are interested in discussing actual issues, unlike certain posters.
    Ah, there we go, like a fly to sh*t. Happy to reply with bollocks.

    Plenty of people are out of work due to COVID (not me) so that's quite a ****ty comment, but unsurprising for a Biden fanatic.

    You can reply to the comment I quoted you in at your earliest convenience.


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    #4969
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,506 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Not that it needs to be said here, but there's a separate thread on the Women's soccer pay that most posters are using.

    Biden should be encouraging equality of pay, the US women's soccer team is not the best example to go with as they chose the guaranteed wage with small bonuses vs. the big bonus not guaranteed wage that the men went with. The women's national team has brought in more money then the men's national team (mostly because they didn't qualify for the WC). Men earn a lot more from their clubs which generate a lot more revenue than the women's club game in the US.


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    #4970
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Capitalism is all about who can make the most profit.

    Capitalism doesn't care whether you're man, woman, child or a kangaroo, it wants profit.

    Capitalism relies on the exploitation of others.


    Gina Haspel was the head of the CIA for three years, it didn't stop the Americans bombing countries.

    Except that was disproved demonstrably by by the paper I posted and many of the other posters, so please cite where you gained this viewpoint. Have no idea what point you're trying to make with the head of the CIA


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    #4971
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    duploelabs wrote: »
    Except that was disproved demonstrably by by the paper I posted and many of the other posters, so please cite where you gained this viewpoint. Have no idea what point you're trying to make with the head of the CIA

    Your paper proved f*ck all.


    I have no problem with the US women's team earning the same as the men (I am a socialist) but your argument makes no sense.


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    #4972
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah, there we go, like a fly to sh*t. Happy to reply with bollocks.

    Plenty of people are out of work due to COVID (not me) so that's quite a ****ty comment, but unsurprising for a Biden fanatic.

    You can reply to the comment I quoted you in at your earliest convenience.

    Ah there we go, the aggessive overreaction. I don't have any interest in replying to anything you quoted.


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    #4973
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Ah there we go, the aggessive overreaction. I don't have any interest in replying to anything you quoted.

    "I can't dispute anything you've said and only reply to Trumpers".


    I'm still here, at your convenience.


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    #4974
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    "I can't dispute anything you've said and only reply to Trumpers".


    I'm still here, at your convenience.

    You insinuated that because no one replied to you within one hour (an hour that happens to overlap with when most people eat their lunch) that you must have made a good point. When someone pointed to an alternative explanation as to why no one replied to you immediately, you got quite aggressive out of the blue.


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    #4975
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,331 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Biden has made zero effort into fulfilling his election promise to end the forever wars in places like Syria. It's hilarious that Biden's administration includes many hawks from the Obama years who are eager to return to the policy that witnessed saint Obama bomb seven sovereign nations in 6 short years.

    All this signals a return to business as usual where the state department and pentagon spearhead America's imperialist ambitions abroad.

    The swamp is back in action.

    The US airstrikes in Syria were a direct response to Iranian attacks on US forces in Iraq. A better response than Trump not responding to their missile attacks on Ayn al-Asad airbase. Obviously, after Trumps weak effort to stand up for his troops, the Iranians think they can attack with impunity.

    It's hilarious to have you suggest that US forces can be attacked and there should be no response.

    Maybe we'd get somewhere if republicans stopped starting all these foreign wars in the first place.


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    #4976
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The US airstrikes in Syria were a direct response to Iranian attacks on US forces in Iraq. A better response than Trump not responding to their missile attacks on Ayn al-Asad airbase. Obviously, after Trumps weak effort to stand up for his troops, the Iranians think they can attack with impunity.

    It's hilarious to have you suggest that US forces can be attacked and there should be no response.

    Maybe we'd get somewhere if republicans stopped starting all these foreign wars in the first place.

    Imagine there will be another militia rocket attack next month in Iraq against US forces. Particularly if the focus is on the Taliban in the run up to the May deadline.


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    #4977
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You insinuated that because no one replied to you within one hour (an hour that happens to overlap with when most people eat their lunch) that you must have made a good point. When someone pointed to an alternative explanation as to why no one replied to you immediately, you got quite aggressive out of the blue.

    Look at that...a second fly to the sh*t.

    No aggression, quite the opposite. I'm glad you're both here.

    I might be away until about 6-ish but after that, I'm all yours.

    Even when I'm away, I'll be sure to responded to whatever ye write - a neutral ref is free to keep score.


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    #4978
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No aggression, quite the opposite. I'm glad you're both here.

    You think that the below post is not only not aggressive, but the opposite of agressive?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah, there we go, like a fly to sh*t. Happy to reply with bollocks.

    Plenty of people are out of work due to COVID (not me) so that's quite a ****ty comment, but unsurprising for a Biden fanatic.

    You can reply to the comment I quoted you in at your earliest convenience.

    Anyway, I'll leave you and extra gravy to spar it out.


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    #4979
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You think that the below post is not only not aggressive, but the opposite of agressive?



    Anyway, I'll leave you and extra gravy to spar it out.

    I will take that as you tapping out.

    Have a good evening.


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    #4980
    Andrea Strong Rodent
    Posts: 0 ✭ Andrea Strong Rodent


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Ah there we go, the aggessive overreaction. I don't have any interest in replying to anything you quoted.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    You think that the below post is not only not aggressive, but the opposite of agressive?



    Anyway, I'll leave you and extra gravy to spar it out.

    Meek and mild.

    Bidenites have nothing when someone approaches them from the left.


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    #4981
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,506 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Meek and mild.

    Bidenites have nothing when someone approaches them from the left.

    Given the history of the planet, I would imagine the left have nothing but failures from dismal to spectacular :pac:

    More seriously, I think laying out a bit what you think Biden should do, rather than Biden bad man, would help move conversation forward. He's a centre right politician, so the things he does will generally be centre right as well, he won't be for the same wage for everyone, but he does think that females and males should be paid equally, but a female doctor will make more than a male nurse (just to get the ball rolling). There is also another thread on the soccer players pay that you can contribute to, but I'd encourage you to be up front with what your solutions are rather than saying how bad everything is.


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