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Leinster Vs Munster Pro 14 final build up thread

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  • #1022
    almostover
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Penney is a 7, out and out. I understood Coombes was more an 8 than a 6, ideally. He has a way to go to compete there against Conan and Doris.

    Not sure Ruddock will become a challenger for the 6 jersey for Ireland, he hasn't been to date.

    Beirne might have something to say about your list, and a number of others including Deegan, Baird, Leavy if he can stay fit, from Leinster, nd probably a few others from elsewhere.

    Beirne and Baird are second rows. Deegan is another who'll have to fight hard to be first choice at Leinster. Leinster have an embarrassment of riches in the back row. Someone has to lose out. These guys won't hang around forever if they think they'll have more of a chance playing for Ireland by getting more 1st team games.


  • #1023
    sebdavis
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    He'd be a bit of a short arse for an 8, no? I suppose that could be mitigated by the other back row selected.

    2cm smaller than Stander who done ok at 8 & 6

    Personally I rate the player based on skill, not because one player is bigger or taller than the other.


  • #1024
    AbusesToilets
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    almostover wrote: »
    Beirne and Baird are second rows. Deegan is another who'll have to fight hard to be first choice at Leinster. Leinster have an embarrassment of riches in the back row. Someone has to lose out. These guys won't hang around forever if they think they'll have more of a chance playing for Ireland by getting more 1st team games.

    Has moving helped other players though? I'd say Conway is maybe the only lad to leave Leinster and have any real success getting into the Irish set up.


  • #1025
    BoardsMember
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    almostover wrote: »
    Beirne and Baird are second rows. Deegan is another who'll have to fight hard to be first choice at Leinster. Leinster have an embarrassment of riches in the back row. Someone has to lose out. These guys won't hang around forever if they think they'll have more of a chance playing for Ireland by getting more 1st team games.

    Beirne isn't getting on the Irish team any time soon in the row. And Baird is very much 2nd row or back row, definitely not only a 2nd row.

    Leinster definitely have an embarrassment of riches with those already mentioned, and some more, including Murphy, who is also a talented and very abrasive player. Leinster having all those players isn't optimal for Ireland.


  • #1026
    BoardsMember
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    2cm smaller than Stander who done ok at 8 & 6

    Personally I rate the player based on skill, not because one player is bigger or taller than the other.

    Interesting. So height isn't a factor at all? Thats all i was suggesting.


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  • #1027
    sebdavis
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Beirne isn't getting on the Irish team any time soon in the row. And Baird is very much 2nd row or back row, definitely not only a 2nd row.

    Leinster definitely have an embarrassment of riches with those already mentioned, and some more, including Murphy, who is also a talented and very abrasive player. Leinster having all those players isn't optimal for Ireland.

    If they are getting game time it won't make any difference, the issue is the league is not up to standard. Hopefully the introduction of the SA teams will increase the competitive games in the Pro14


  • #1028
    Podge_irl
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    2cm smaller than Stander who done ok at 8 & 6

    Personally I rate the player based on skill, not because one player is bigger or taller than the other.

    There are limits to this approach. He'd be a rubbish second row for example.


  • #1029
    sebdavis
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    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Interesting. So height isn't a factor at all? Thats all i was suggesting.

    Sorry I was making the point to someone else who posted the height of Coombes v Penny.


  • #1030
    BoardsMember
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    If they are getting game time it won't make any difference, the issue is the league is not up to standard. Hopefully the introduction of the SA teams will increase the competitive games in the Pro14

    Hard to see how they all get game time though. They have 3+ in each of the 3 backrow positions. Of course, injuries and rotation play a part. But hard to keep everyone happy with that many international standard back rows. Great problem to have, mind you.


  • #1031
    sebdavis
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    There are limits to this approach. He'd be a rubbish second row for example.

    100%
    But playing Penny in a back row that included Beirne/Doris would mean jumping in line out would be less of a requirement
    It's all about balance.


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  • #1032
    BoardsMember
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    100%
    But playing Penny in a back row that included Beirne/Doris would mean jumping in line out would be less of a requirement
    It's all about balance.

    Eh, which is exactly what I said....


  • #1033
    prawnsambo
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Has moving helped other players though? I'd say Conway is maybe the only lad to leave Leinster and have any real success getting into the Irish set up.
    Well Tadhg Beirne too.


  • #1034
    AbusesToilets
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    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Well Tadhg Beirne too.

    Yea, he took a very round about route though, and it's only this season he's lived up to his Scarletts hype. He was stealing a jersey before that.


  • #1035
    aloooof
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    Leinster showing pretty comprehensively why they were, in fact.... favourites.

    Munster with little territory and little possession weren't able (allowed) get a foothold in the game, and even when they did they seemed to try to force things.

    It meant that we couldn't even engineer field position to box kick on top of Larmour, for example. Any we did have seemed to be on Kearney's side of the pitch which he and Keenan mopped up. (Thought Larmour was generally fairly poor).

    Thought the breakdown was an absolute mess, particularly in the first half. That pretty much nullified Munster's jackal threat which meant they couldn't slow down Leinster ball.

    For me, the difference maker was the front-row. The scrums were pretty evenly matched for the most part (some didn't budge an inch) but in general play, the Leinster front row were (and have been for some time) vastly superior to Munster's.

    Well done, Leinster. Again.


  • #1036
    aloooof
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    The hype around Coombes is a bit of the top from my point of view. The Pro14 website done a comparison with Penny and to be honest Penny is ahead.

    Would he be as hyped if he came from the Leinster academy?

    The notoriously under-appreciated... Leinster academy?? Hmmm...


  • #1037
    The Inbetween is mine
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    Is anyone going to start a match thread?


  • #1038
    aloooof
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Has moving helped other players though? I'd say Conway is maybe the only lad to leave Leinster and have any real success getting into the Irish set up.

    There's the flip side of this too, tho. For example, Jordi moving helped Doris (and therefore Leinster).


  • #1039
    AbusesToilets
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    aloooof wrote: »
    There's the flip side of this too, tho. For example, Jordi moving helped Doris (and therefore Leinster).

    That's a fair point. Very altruistic of Nordi :P


  • #1040
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    Players leaving for game time would a sub par subset so I would expect the majority of them would not push on to the next level


  • #1041
    sebdavis
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    aloooof wrote: »
    The notoriously under-appreciated... Leinster academy?? Hmmm...

    Yes that was the point I made :rolleyes:


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  • #1042
    aloooof
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Yes that was the point I made :rolleyes:

    So what makes you think he wouldn't be as hyped if he came from the Leinster academy?

    (Fwiw, I'd argue the premise. I don't think it's fair to say he's been hyped; he's attracted praise for some very good performances).


  • #1043
    sebdavis
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    aloooof wrote: »
    So what makes you think he wouldn't be as hyped if he came from the Leinster academy?

    (Fwiw, I'd argue the premise. I don't think it's fair to say he's been hyped; he's attracted praise for some very good performances).

    Don't worry mate, no matter how I respond you will deliberately misunderstand. Leave you to it


  • #1044
    aloooof
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    sebdavis wrote: »
    Don't worry mate, no matter how I respond you will deliberately misunderstand. Leave you to it

    Fair enough... :rolleyes:


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