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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #1142
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    prunudo wrote: »
    Have you not just answered your own question?


    Whats the science behind it ? does the virus only live at the back of the nose in adults and at the front of the nose in children?


  • #1143
    Working class heroes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Halting sites, meat factories, direct provision centres, the usual suspects.

    Source?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • #1144
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Surely they could open non essential retail and hairdressers in say Cork/Kerry for example,monitor figures and see if there is any significant rise in numbers there and take it from there

    Definitely think there's a case for this. There is a risk of people travelling ridiculous distances to get a hair cut or buy something. However, I think they should at least try it and then perhaps have guards patrol the obvious county entry points.


  • #1145
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Surely they could open non essential retail and hairdressers in say Cork/Kerry for example,monitor figures and see if there is any significant rise in numbers there and take it from there

    They could open them everywhere, everybody is getting the hair done, no point pretending otherwise but the covideers will never admit it.

    Even if a salon had 2 metres between chairs and a max. of say 5 chairs, it is safer than a load of lads going to a house when the travelling barber is there for the afternoon.


  • #1146
    washman3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3


    covidrelease wrote: »
    The next 2 weeks are crucial.


    That aged well.............;)


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  • #1147
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Definitely think there's a case for this. There is a risk of people travelling ridiculous distances to get a hair cut or buy something. However, I think they should at least try it and then perhaps have guards patrol the obvious county entry points.

    In fairness, given we can’t lock down a fcuking hotel in this county, there isn’t a hope that ‘open’ counties wouldn’t be mobbed.


  • #1148
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    What public conveniences do you refer to? Toilets? All closed. Non essential shops? all closed. As for your theory on refreshments we may as well shut supermarkets then. The 5k rule is a joke and everyone knows it except the idiots we have running the show.

    All public toilets are closed really? The park in my local Town has public toilets which are still open. Afaik some places installed temporary toilets after cafes and restaurants closed last year. Perhaps I should tell them?

    But yes any - anywhere where crowds of people travelling for recreation purposes tend to congregate . Whether that's motorway service stations, pumps and places for takeaway food and refreshments. And no supermarkets are not in that category as they are essential and are generally managed well.

    We're talking large crowds - not from the local areas but from multiple counties whose all decamp to one or more popular beauty spots or wherever. Where there's maybe just one block of toilets, chip van and everyone from all over mixing, mingling and generally not engaging with social distancing guidelines

    Tbf - the main ones I find who have issues with exercising within 5km seem to be those who dont believe that covid is a real problem or at least dont seem to understand the seriousness of the issues.

    Tell me this - if the stay at home/ stay local restrictions (what the 5km are ) are a "joke" then why have so many countries used these type of restrictions and continue to use them as part of managing the rate of covid infection?

    Perhaps all of them are simply "idiots ... running the show"?


  • #1149
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Hospital numbers should be below 300 by tomorrow night / Tuesday morning


  • #1150
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Always_Running wrote: »
    This week compared to last 128 more cases and worth nothing from over 20,000 extra tests.

    81 reported deaths this week 45 of them occurred in March.


    Yep a “surge” alright


  • #1151
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    Whats the science behind it ? does the virus only live at the back of the nose in adults and at the front of the nose in children?

    Apparently the swab is too traumatic for the little ones.

    There's a paper a friend of mine showed me ages ago about nasal swabs in children. It was written about flu swabs back about 10 years ago. Apparently some children don't have the reflex control adults are expected to have and are prone to jerking movments in response to the swab which can be a bad thing if the swab is deep in the nose.


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  • #1152
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Hospital numbers should be below 300 by tomorrow night / Tuesday morning

    That would be a positive. One would expect that admissions will decrease even if cases stay around the same levels.


  • #1153
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    All public toilets are closed really? The park in my local Town has public toilets which are still open. Afaik some places installed temporary toilets after cafes and restaurants closed last year. Perhaps I should tell them?

    But yes any - anywhere where crowds of people travelling for recreation purposes tend to congregate . Whether that's motorway service stations, pumps and places for takeaway food and refreshments. And no supermarkets are not in that category as they are essential and are generally managed well.

    We're talking large crowds - not from the local areas but from multiple counties whose all decamp to one or more popular beauty spots or wherever. Where there's maybe just one block of toilets, chip van and everyone from all over mixing, mingling and generally not engaging with social distancing guidelines

    Tbf - the main ones I find who have issues with exercising within 5km seem to be those who dont believe that covid is a real problem or at least dont seem to understand the seriousness of the issues.

    Tell me this - if the stay at home/ stay local restrictions (what the 5km are ) are a "joke" then why have so many countries used these type of restrictions and continue to use them as part of managing the rate of covid infection?

    Perhaps all of them are simply "idiots ... running the show"?

    From June 29th until after Christmas we got on fine with a mixture of own county and full nationwide travel.

    I don't think anybody had an issue with the 5K when we had 8000 cases a day, but now it down to about 600 a day it is a joke that such a rule is still in place.

    Measures in place need to be proportionate to the level of infection, otherwise people tune out.


  • #1154
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    gozunda wrote: »
    Now let me ask a question- do you really believe that "literally coughing into people’s faces" is the sole means that covid spreads?

    In an outdoor setting that is the the only significant chance of getting infected. Covid spreads indoors when lots of people mix in a small area without wearing masks. Other ways of virus spread are not significant.


  • #1155
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Five day moving average of cases now 620 (573 yesterday)

    5 days average always goes up on Sunday. The best part of the week falls off and is replaced by the highest.

    7 day is the only one that works with the way we report here.


  • #1156
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    covidrelease wrote: »
    From June 29th until after Christmas we got on fine with a mixture of own county and full nationwide travel.

    I don't think anybody had an issue with the 5K when we had 8000 cases a day, but now it down to about 600 a day it is a joke that such a rule is still in place.

    Measures in place need to be proportionate to the level of infection, otherwise people tune out.

    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.

    I've long felt 50 Icu cases is a place to consider reopening but we aren't far from there either.


  • #1157
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,519 ✭✭✭✭km79


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.
    The level of infection is not at those levels in the vast majority of the country but the restrictions are is the point being made I think


  • #1158
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    jhegarty wrote: »
    5 days average always goes up on Sunday. The best part of the week falls off and is replaced by the highest.

    7 day is the only one that works with the way we report here.

    Yes 7 and 14 day averages are the best data on case loads and to keep an eye on testing to compare on contrast.


  • #1159
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1376228173457846277

    With 320,000 deaths Mexico overtakes Brazil , pretty unbelievable number for a country with only a population of 120 million. Excess deaths are estimated at over 417,000 as well - 70% thought to be COVID related


  • #1160
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.

    For a national reopening I agree. 600 is too high and vaccination isn't yet sufficient to really accommodate for higher case numbers. In time vaccination will reduce the emphasis on case numbers. We're a long way from that point yet.

    I would like a trial though at picking at least one region or area with very low incidence and giving that some extra leeway. It may backfire but I think there's a case to be made for at least trying it. As opposed to doing something silly on a national scale.


  • #1161
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Turtwig wrote: »
    For a national reopening I agree. 600 is too high and vaccination isn't yet sufficient to really accommodate for higher case numbers. In time vaccination will reduce the emphasis on case numbers. We're a long way from that point yet.

    I would like a trial though at picking at least one region or area with very low incidence and giving that some extra leeway. It may backfire but I think there's a case to be made for at least trying it. As opposed to doing something silly on a national scale.

    Guards would want to form a border if that ever happens


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  • #1162
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.

    I've long felt 50 Icu cases is a place to consider reopening but we aren't far from there either.

    We need to factor in that 15% of adults are now vaccinated to some degree, many being the elderly, vulnerable and healthcare sectors. The expectation is that this will ramp up rapidly from here.

    I'd suggest another 15% have built up some herd immunity having been infected already.


  • #1163
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.

    I've long felt 50 Icu cases is a place to consider reopening but we aren't far from there either.

    Reopening to me would be level 3 or lower. Small easing of the restrictions is what is expected from the government next week leaving us with strict restrictions up to at least mid May.


  • #1164
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Turtwig wrote: »
    For a national reopening I agree. 600 is too high and vaccination isn't yet sufficient to really accommodate for higher case numbers. In time vaccination will reduce the emphasis on case numbers. We're a long way from that point yet.

    I would like a trial though at picking at least one region or area with very low incidence and giving that some extra leeway. It may backfire but I think there's a case to be made for at least trying it. As opposed to doing something silly on a national scale.

    A regional opening of certain retail is a good idea but as USUAL NPHET have set their face against. The appear unable to look beyond full lockdown. They havent even approved antigen testing yet.


  • #1165
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good article here in the Evening Echo in Cork on the need for a regional opening strategy:


    https://www.echolive.ie/corkviews/arid-40252787.html


  • #1166
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The question is is 600 an acceptable level of infection. I fear any real reopening will see 2000 cases in a couple fof weeks.

    600 is the level that we could reopen but I feel we would be closing very quickly afterwards.

    I've long felt 50 Icu cases is a place to consider reopening but we aren't far from there either.

    We could be looking at less than 50 in ICU within 10 days


  • #1167
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    RGS wrote: »
    A regional opening of certain retail is a good idea but as USUAL NPHET have set their face against. The appear unable to look beyond full lockdown. They havent even approved antigen testing yet.

    Antigen testing is available in some hospitals with months now. They just opt not to use it. Where do you want it deployed that PCR can't work as effectively? PCR is actually fairly rapid and reliable in this country.


  • #1168
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Antigen testing is available in some hospitals with months now. They just opt not to use it. Where do you want it deployed that PCR can't work as effectively? PCR is actually fairly rapid and reliable in this country.

    The psychological argument regarding antigen testing is ignored by many people.

    If a negative test (with a high false negative risk) wouldn't change behaviour I think antigen testing would be great. Pick a week a test the entire population of Offaly. Find all the cases and drive things down.

    I strongly believe NPHET have read human behaviour right with antigen testing and are right not to roll it out en masse.


  • #1169
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Foreign Affairs Minister @simoncoveney says there is very narrow scope for lifting restrictions. Tells @thisweekrte the Government approach will be cautious. But he acknowledges that people need room to breathe on the 5km rule, some meeting outdoors + construction if it can be safe.

    Shin


  • #1170
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    shinzon wrote: »
    Foreign Affairs Minister @simoncoveney says there is very narrow scope for lifting restrictions. Tells @thisweekrte the Government approach will be cautious. But he acknowledges that people need room to breathe on the 5km rule, some meeting outdoors + construction if it can be safe.

    Shin

    News that was basically said by Michael Martin at the end of February.


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  • #1171
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Apparently the swab is too traumatic for the little ones.

    There's a paper a friend of mine showed me ages ago about nasal swabs in children. It was written about flu swabs back about 10 years ago. Apparently some children don't have the reflex control adults are expected to have and are prone to jerking movments in response to the swab which can be a bad thing if the swab is deep in the nose.

    So potentially we are losing a rake of positive cases as children are not tested to the same rigour as adults?


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