Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 27-03-2021 01:18AM

normanoffside wrote: »

But they tell us you can still carry and spread the virus after vaccination, you will just be asymptomatic and less likely to get sick.

Would be interested in taking a look at the source of the 'they' if you have it.

I think Israel/UK will be a better indicator of reality given the scale/speed of their vaccination programs.

The HorsesMouth · 27-03-2021 01:18AM

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

Don't know what hospital you are referring to but the hospital i work in has had a very busy week of standard surgeries. Probably the busiest and most similar to a busy week pre covid.

The catch up has definitely begun.

Not referring to any hospital in particular as to be honest I have no idea what goes on in hospitals but surely you know that there has been a constant narrative over the past few months re all non urgent surgeries have been postponed and even all cancer services will not be back up and running until end of the year. So...the ordinary joe soap is to presume there are a few spare beds around owing to this?

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 01:20AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Remedial stuff here John.

As soon as I’m asked I’ll turn up, I’m the furthest thing from an anti vaccer. I’ve took worse on a hard night out.

The irony is, those who believe having the HCW’s and about 450,00 vulnerable vaccinate will make no difference to the outcome of case numbers are the real anti vaccers

Don't get me wrong I wasn't trying to insinuate you were at all I just don't think I have heard your views on vaccines before.

The news from Israel is something else, we will be in a great place in a few months time.

Graham · 27-03-2021 01:21AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

those who believe having the HCW’s and about 450,00 vulnerable vaccinate will make no difference to the outcome of case numbers are the real anti vaccers

Hopefully we won't be too long finding out. No need for speculation really, it should become evident fairly soon.

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 01:24AM

john4321 wrote: »

Don't get me wrong I wasn't trying to insinuate you were at all I just don't think I have heard your views on vaccines before.

The news from Israel is something else, we will be in a great place in a few months time.

I’ve never insinuated otherwise, certainly not as someone who has no problem binge drinking when the opportunity arises.

The thing is, we only need to look within our own island to se the effects of the vaccine.

Northern Ireland are nearly out of this

Hospital numbers and deaths are incredibly low

Next Friday night will be even better up there

As will be down here of course

This is nearly over

normanoffside · 27-03-2021 01:24AM

Graham wrote: »

Would be interested in taking a look at the source of the 'they' if you have it.

I think Israel/UK will be a better indicator of reality given the scale/speed of their vaccination programs.

How's about Stephen Donnelly telling us you'll still have to do hotel quarantine even if you've been vaccinated?

https://twitter.com/Toibin1/status/1375083564228820992

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 01:30AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve never insinuated otherwise, certainly not as someone who has no problem binge drinking when the opportunity arises.

The thing is, we only need to look within our own island to se the effects of the vaccine.

Northern Ireland are nearly out of this

Hospital numbers and deaths are incredibly low

Next Friday night will be even better up there

As will be down here of course

This is nearly over

I completely agree the end is definitely in sight now.

Vaccine rollout is a bit slower than hoped due to supply but seeing the real world results we can look forward to a great summer.

Graham · 27-03-2021 01:32AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is nearly over

john4321 wrote: »

I completely agree the end is definitely in sight now.

Vaccine rollout is a bit slower than hoped due to supply but seeing the real world results we can look forward to a great summer.

I don't think I've ever wanted two posters to be more right.

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 01:32AM

normanoffside wrote: »

The whole idea of 'asymptomatic infection' is ludicrous.
It's why NPHET rebel against antigen testing and why PCR testing doesn't work.

Even #zerocovid Nut Gerry Killeen knows this this:

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1374820429953662977

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1374820435880206339

I asked a quick simple question. Why did you respond with a link dump from the nutty professor?

normanoffside · 27-03-2021 01:36AM

john4321 wrote: »

I asked a quick simple question. Why did you respond with a link dump from the nutty professor?

Sorry, I was more replying to Graham.

Graham · 27-03-2021 01:38AM

normanoffside wrote: »

How's about Stephen Donnelly telling us you'll still have to do hotel quarantine even if you've been vaccinated?

Video mentions nothing about asymptomatic spread or the effect of vaccination on same.

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 01:40AM

john4321 wrote: »

I completely agree the end is definitely in sight now.

Vaccine rollout is a bit slower than hoped due to supply but seeing the real world results we can look forward to a great summer.

I’ve spent months on the pro rata population vulnerable death side of the argument it’s only fair I correlate to the other now.

With the cohort vaccinated now, if the pandemic started today, the death rate would be much much lower.

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 01:43AM

Graham wrote: »

I don't think I've ever wanted two posters to be more right.

Data from Israel yesterday shows how effective it is in ending this.

832 cases from 65,408 tests positivity rate of only 1.3%

https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general?utm_source=go.gov.il&utm_medium=referral

If the dashboard comes up in Hebrew you might need to turn the screen upside down or translate to English.

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 01:54AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve spent months on the pro rata population vulnerable death side of the argument it’s only fair I correlate to the other now.

With the cohort vaccinated now, if the pandemic started today, the death rate would be much much lower.

Very true that's why things like flu are not as serious in the general population as a vaccine is available to protect that cohort of the population.

Its great and some achievement to science than in less than a year we have the same for this now and can look forward to a good summer.

gozunda · 27-03-2021 01:56AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Remedial stuff here John.

As soon as I’m asked I’ll turn up, I’m the furthest thing from an anti vaccer. I’ve took worse on a hard night out.

The irony is, those who believe having the HCW’s and about 450,00 vulnerable vaccinate will make no difference to the outcome of case numbers are the real anti vaccers

Good to hear it.

I dont believe anyone believes that "HCW’s and about 450,00 vulnerable vaccinated will make no difference to the outcome of case numbers"

It will certainly make some difference. Though atm new case numbers appear to have plateaued somewhat.

I think the question is what level of vaccination will make a big enough difference to bringing down case numbers given that the UK varient is approx 70% more transmissible and is believed to be what's keeping our case numbers up at present.

Ha Long Bay · 27-03-2021 02:13AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Sorry, I was more replying to Graham.

No need to say sorry at all. I just hope you don't think people with a different view on restrictions etc. are all following that view.

I think we both share the view it's on the extreme side and not based on reality but it generates the clicks.

I do hold the same view though of people like Delores Cahill and Ivor Cummins who are in it for the same thing which can only be €€€.

27-03-2021 02:40AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don’t know Dazzler

A TD made the claim on Newstalk during the week. Said he was informed by healthcare professionals

He wasn’t contradicted , so I’ll believe him until publicly counter argued

Not the case.in my hospital. There are facilities for isolating out with the hospitals. We actually discharge patients as quickly as possible once we assess that it would be safe for them to go home.

Captain_Crash · 27-03-2021 08:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not the case.in my hospital. There are facilities for isolating out with the hospitals. We actually discharge patients as quickly as possible once we assess that it would be safe for them to go home.

Maybe there is patients in some hospitals who live in nursing homes, or with an elderly/vulnerable person and sending them home puts someone else at risk? So they are “contained” in situ?!?

Klonker · 27-03-2021 08:58AM

gozunda wrote: »

Good to hear it.

I dont believe anyone believes that "HCW’s and about 450,00 vulnerable vaccinated will make no difference to the outcome of case numbers"

It will certainly make some difference. Though atm new case numbers appear to have plateaued somewhat.

I think the question is what level of vaccination will make a big enough difference to bringing down case numbers given that the UK varient is approx 70% more transmissible and is believed to be what's keeping our case numbers up at present.

I think it'll probably take a while before vaccination has a noticeable effect on case numbers as majority of cases are in the under 45s. The other thing is if the vaccinations do bring about a decrease in case numbers through April and May for example, the decrease could be offset by an increase in case numbers due to relaxation of restrictions and less people adhering to restrictions. So from first glance you could say case numbers are the same so vaccinations have made no difference to case numbers but in reality the vaccinations could be suppressing an increase in numbers.

Some would argue that we don't need to get case numbers lower and keeping them static is actually a good achievement. If we managed to keep them at 500 - 600 a day, as the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated this 500 - 600 will lead to less and less hospitalisations as less vulnerable will make up a larger percentage of the cases.

I can understand why NPHET and whoever else would be worried about stagnate case numbers as you are only a slight move away from those numbers increasing and getting in to a more serious situation.

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 09:15AM

john4321 wrote: »

Very true that's why things like flu are not as serious in the general population as a vaccine is available to protect that cohort of the population.

Its great and some achievement to science than in less than a year we have the same for this now and can look forward to a good summer.

But that’s not the message I’m hearing

It’s going to be just as cautious as last year

That’s not a good Summer

27-03-2021 09:31AM

normanoffside wrote: »

But they tell us you can still carry and spread the virus after vaccination, you will just be asymptomatic and less likely to get sick.

No they don’t. They tell us the data is not there yet on the level of prevention of transmission from the vaccine. It is looking promising however

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:05AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Surely you can quantify that?

What collateral damage

Please don’t say look at what happened at Christmas

Remembering many vulnerable and HCWs are vaccinated

This week kidney recipients as young as early 30’s got their first dose.

Surely you can quantify that? How many is 'many'?

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:19AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I hope this stuff isn’t forgotten.

Talk about kicking people when they are down.

These business people have lost their livelihoods and this lad is claiming they have blood on their hands transmitting cases when they are closed for months

RTE for the truth eh

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don’t know Dazzler

A TD made the claim on Newstalk during the week. Said he was informed by healthcare professionals

He wasn’t contradicted , so I’ll believe him until publicly counter argued

A former TD wasn't contradicted about pubs and restaurants being the problem even though they haven't been open for ages and you (rightly) don't believe him. A TD made a different claim and wasn't contradicted...but you do believe him.

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:25AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve never insinuated otherwise, certainly not as someone who has no problem binge drinking when the opportunity arises.

The thing is, we only need to look within our own island to se the effects of the vaccine.

Northern Ireland are nearly out of this

Hospital numbers and deaths are incredibly low

Next Friday night will be even better up there

As will be down here of course

This is nearly over

...and yet restrictions in the north are broadly the same as here.

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 10:25AM

Penfailed wrote: »

A former TD wasn't contradicted about pubs and restaurants being the problem even though they haven't been open for ages and you (rightly) don't believe him. A TD made a different claim and wasn't contradicted...but you do believe him.

Another excellent point

Restaurants and pubs are open and to blame for rising cases

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 10:26AM

Penfailed wrote: »

...and yet restrictions in the north are broadly the same as here.

No

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:31AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But that’s not the message I’m hearing

It’s going to be just as cautious as last year

That’s not a good Summer

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is nearly over

Which is it?

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:32AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Another excellent point

Restaurants and pubs are open and to blame for rising cases

Eh?

Penfailed · 27-03-2021 10:33AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No

They are though. They have a fully open construction industry and no 5km restriction but are otherwise on a par with us.

FintanMcluskey · 27-03-2021 10:38AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Which is it?

There is a difference between the virus becoming a minor threat to vulnerable and restrictions ending

The virus didn’t cause restrictions, the response to the virus did

Thus the restrictions won’t end (or it doesn’t sound like they will) when the threat of the virus ends

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings