Sean Moncrieff - Newstalk

BPKS · 18-12-2020 11:23am

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Got a little bothered there over texts about the new hate speech legislation.

Sean doesn't mind differing opinions as long as they are the same as his own

ShagNastii · 18-12-2020 9:29pm

I like Sean but I do roll my eyes when he turns his wokemeter up to 11.

In that hate speech discussion somebody texted in woeful that they are a "White Male". By gawd did Sean bite.

whisky_galore · 19-12-2020 9:59am

ShagNastii wrote: »

I like Sean but I do roll my eyes when he turns his wokemeter up to 11.

In that hate speech discussion somebody texted in woeful that they are a "White Male". By gawd did Sean bite.

It's funny when he said he wanted more "minorities" represented in political life.

But we of course live, like it or not, in a white majority country. The vast, vast majority of people entering politics are going to be, quelle surprise, white.
The self hatred and guilt tripping is something else.

gourcuff · 25-01-2021 3:54pm

this couple whinging, leeching off the parents and whinging that the dad slags them off a bit... how about move out at 18 or at least early 20s not a normal person and stop mooching off the parents.

cant be good for peoples development to be on the tit that long stuck under your parents ...

whisky_galore · 26-01-2021 11:03am

gourcuff wrote: »

this couple whinging, leeching off the parents and whinging that the dad slags them off a bit... how about move out at 18 or at least early 20s not a normal person and stop mooching off the parents.

cant be good for peoples development to be on the tit that long stuck under your parents ...

Umm, maybe they can't afford to move out?

gourcuff · 26-01-2021 1:47pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Umm, maybe they can't afford to move out?

an employed person would therefore be homeless if their parents did not provide them accommodation? surely they would qualify for all sorts of assistance then?

whisky_galore · 26-01-2021 2:00pm

gourcuff wrote: »

an employed person would therefore be homeless if their parents did not provide them accommodation? surely they would qualify for all sorts of assistance then?

Getting assistance isn't as easy as people make out it is. I doubt many 20 somethings are too chuffed about living with the oul wans all things being equal.

gourcuff · 02-02-2021 3:37pm

lanzo and tenerife seem to be the destinations these folks are all going to, ill know to avoid them forever...

Ol' Donie · 02-02-2021 4:00pm

gourcuff wrote: »

lanzo and tenerife seem to be the destinations these folks are all going to, ill know to avoid them forever...

I landed on a Ryanair flight in Lanzarote once. When the plane touched down some bloke started singing "Hail, hail, the Celts are here".

As far as securing my long term brand loyalty is concerned, he did more for Aer Lingus than any amount of grammatically abhorrent advertisements ever could.

08-02-2021 3:17pm

gender identity issues The danger of using drugs in affecting gender awareness.
Edit Talking to Professor Donal Ó Sé
One step at a time.

washiskin · 25-03-2021 10:30pm

Did anyone hear his interview with the woman from the dating service at the end of the show today?
Was it just me or was he a bit snippy with her?

whisky_galore · 26-03-2021 6:51am

washiskin wrote: »

Did anyone hear his interview with the woman from the dating service at the end of the show today?
Was it just me or was he a bit snippy with her?

Yes, thought that too. Women can be free to do what they want but by god not that.

He's fine with guests who agree with his outlook, I notice an increase in the trendy woke variety of guest, who remain unchallenged of course, and there's a few misery slots starting to creep in.

I thought the DUP(?) guy was quite reasonable in his views.

2smiggy · 26-03-2021 9:21am

washiskin wrote: »

Did anyone hear his interview with the woman from the dating service at the end of the show today?
Was it just me or was he a bit snippy with her?

was it Rachel Uchitel ? a woman who got poor Tiger Woods into a spot of bother a few years back ?

26-03-2021 11:39am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yes, thought that too. Women can be free to do what they want but by god not that.

He's fine with guests who agree with his outlook, I notice an increase in the trendy woke variety of guest, who remain unchallenged of course, and there's a few misery slots starting to creep in.

I thought the DUP(?) guy was quite reasonable in his views.

I didn't hear any of those segments, and I don't think Moncrieff nevessarily fits into this dreary "woke" catch-all, which seems to vaguely imply a sense of social justice.

Moncrieff has very fixed beliefs of the classic liberal variety — very similar to Ciara Kelly. These beliefs are unchangeable and both hosts struggle to tolerate alternative views. But they tend towards the view that everyone should be let alone to be themselves, society owes them nothing and expects nothing. It's a little different to what people call "woke", which is more interventionist (society should expect these norms, and impose them)

Ahwell · 26-03-2021 6:07pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Moncrieff has very fixed beliefs of the classic liberal variety — very similar to Ciara Kelly. These beliefs are unchangeable and both hosts struggle to tolerate alternative views. But they tend towards the view that everyone should be let alone to be themselves, society owes them nothing and expects nothing. It's a little different to what people call "woke", which is more interventionist (society should expect these norms, and impose them)

Can you give any examples of him expressing these classic liberal view, because I can't? I've never heard him saying anything approaching "everyone should be let alone to be themselves, society owes them nothing and expects nothing". I would have him down as broadly centre-left, he most likely votes for Labour.

26-03-2021 7:17pm

Ahwell wrote: »

Can you give any examples of him expressing these classic liberal view, because I can't? I've never heard him saying anything approaching "everyone should be let alone to be themselves, society owes them nothing and expects nothing". I would have him down as broadly centre-left, he most likely votes for Labour.

Well he is in favour of decriminalisation of drugs, or so it is strongly implied, but by his own words he has no time for what he calls "junkies", ie people with a catastrophic brain disease. That's well documented, even in his book. That's a classic liberal approach — 'take whatever drugs you want, just don't bother me'.

I agree with the party affiliation you suggest, but Labour are more centrist than a left-wing party. Plenty of classic liberals vote for Labour, especially in the public service, but that's another story.

Ahwell · 26-03-2021 7:31pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well he is in favour of decriminalisation of drugs, or so it is strongly implied, but by his own words he has no time for what he calls "junkies", ie people with a catastrophic brain disease. That's well documented, even in his book. That's a classic liberal approach — 'take whatever drugs you want, just don't bother me'.

I agree with the party affiliation you suggest, but Labour are more centrist than a left-wing party. Plenty of classic liberals vote for Labour, especially in the public service, but that's another story.

From his response to texts over the years, he is very much in favour of a welfare state. He does not believe in a small government. He is not a classic liberal. I believe in a former life he was shop steward for the NUJ, not really a classic liberal activity.

Tbh, I don't think you listen to the show that often and you've got the wrong impression of him.

26-03-2021 7:39pm

Ahwell wrote: »

From his response to texts over the years, he is very much in favour of a welfare state. He does not believe in a small government. He is not a classic liberal. I believe in a former life he was shop steward for the NUJ, not really a classic liberal activity.

Tbh, I don't think you listen to the show that often and you've got the wrong impression of him.

In their former lives, Brendan O'Connor was a nihilist misanthrope double-jobbing as a trendy priest, and Sean Moncrieff was a woman from a small village in the west of ireland called Ahascr-aw. That was all decades ago.

I am relying on what Moncrieff says and writes. I'm not calling him a libertarian, but there is a streak of that in him alright.

People get old, they become very bald and a little more conservative-liberal. It happens.

Ahwell · 26-03-2021 7:43pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In their former lives, Brendan O'Connor was a nihilist misanthrope double-jobbing as a trendy priest, and Sean Moncrieff was a woman from a small village in the west of ireland called Ahascr-aw. That was all decades ago.

I am relying on what Moncrieff says and writes. I'm not calling him a libertarian, but there is a streak of that in him alright.

People get old, they become very bald and a little more conservative-liberal. It happens.

I'm relying on listening to his show regularly over a long period of time. He is not a conservative-liberal.

26-03-2021 9:00pm

Ahwell wrote: »

I'm relying on listening to his show regularly over a long period of time. He is not a conservative-liberal.

He's an extremely nice guy, I wouldn't want to seem to be knocking him.

But his programme is more motivated by a sense of the absurd, you'd get the feeling he sees human beings as amusing, bizarre and incomprehensible — all of which is true — and are best left to their own devices.

He's definitely very much in favour of human rights, maybe not so keen on interference by institutions with the rights of the individual, beyond some vague endorsement of the welfare state which is a very centrist opinion by now. After all, the welfare state is not a socialist idea, quite the opposite. The best socialists view it as a form of bribery.

It's interesting that he never seems to do segments sympathetic to socio-economic rights, doesnt do much on homelessness. I doubt he rebelled against the water tax.

I might be totally wrong, but the man clearly has a taste for Bordeaux wines. What does that tell you?!

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 9:09pm

Moncreif is a rock solid reliable progressive , no different to the vast majority in irish media

his twitter page and occasional irish times collumn should tell anyone that

26-03-2021 9:20pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

his twitter page

It's all movie puns and some very conscientious content about women's rights (great), I'm not seeing any of the left wing stuff.

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer. He's a centrist dad with a passing interest in human rights.

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 9:23pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's all movie puns and some very conscientious content about women's rights (great), I'm not seeing any of the left wing stuff.

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer.

he should not have to appologise for what he is or what he believes in , hes a democrat , hes not ruth coppinger , hes unquestionably on the left however , how anyone could doubt this is beyond me

26-03-2021 9:28pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

he should not have to appologise for what he is or what he believes in , hes a democrat , hes not ruth coppinger , hes unquestionably on the left however , how anyone could doubt this is beyond me

Again — not criticising him personally. I think he's completely sound. He doesnt have to apologise for anything just because he's not very left.

He is probably a little bit left, like Joan Burton left.

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 9:41pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Again — not criticising him personally. I think he's completely sound. He doesnt have to apologise for anything just because he's not very left.

He is probably a little bit left, like Joan Burton left.

He doesn't need to be in PBP to be left

EmmetSpiceland · 26-03-2021 9:59pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer. He's a centrist dad with a passing interest in human rights.

That’s it. He’s like one of the alternative comedians from the UK in the 80’s. Radical, anarchic and sticking it to “the man” but now happy out in a comfortable bourgeois existence.

Not Alexei Sayle, though, obviously.

Ahwell · 26-03-2021 10:14pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Where is this evidence, you haven't supplied any? The notion that there is a streak of the libertarian in him is nonsense. He used to have an actual libertarian, Gerard Casey, on a philosophy slot years ago. They used to joke about how much they disagreed on everything. Again, I maintain you haven't listened to the show that often.

26-03-2021 10:40pm

Ahwell wrote: »

Where is this evidence, you haven't supplied any? The notion that there is a streak of the libertarian in him is nonsense.

What am I expected to produce here, transcripts? I've given a fair example from his book (it is very good, people should read it) where he goes on about his strong aversion to "junkies". I think a good gauge of someone's position on the woke spectrum (we did a whole seminar on this where Ruth Coppinger shouted at everyone in fluent russian) is what kinda thoughts you have towards the most vulnerable people in the group.

I feel like i am labouring a point that I actually don't feel very strongly about. Moncrieff is a very talented presenter, and undoubtedly one of the most progressive voices in radio. I just think that accolade is indicative of an extremely low standard. That whole notion of the "woke" or socialist media bubble is an absolute joke.

Ahwell · 26-03-2021 11:28pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What am I expected to produce here, transcripts? I've given a fair example from his book (it is very good, people should read it) where he goes on about his strong aversion to "junkies". I think a good gauge of someone's position on the woke spectrum (we did a whole seminar on this where Ruth Coppinger shouted at everyone in fluent russian) is what kinda thoughts you have towards the most vulnerable people in the group.

I feel like i am labouring a point that I actually don't feel very strongly about. Moncrieff is a very talented presenter, and undoubtedly one of the most progressive voices in radio. I just think that accolade is indicative of an extremely low standard. That whole notion of the "woke" or socialist media bubble is an absolute joke.

Which book is this? A google search of "sean moncrieff junkies" only throws back his novel The Angel of the Streetlamps. Oh..and old post of yours from 2017 starting "Moncrieff is not a 'PC left winger'". I assume you're not talking about a work of fiction. Is it "The Irish Paradox"?, because the preview I'm reading of one of the chapters does not come across as a book written by someone of a classic liberal persuasion.

26-03-2021 11:48pm

Ahwell wrote: »

Which book is this? A google search of "sean moncrieff junkies" only throws back his novel The Angel of the Streetlamps. Oh..and old post of yours from 2017 starting "Moncrieff is not a 'PC left winger'". I assume you're not talking about a work of fiction. Is it "The Irish Paradox"?, because the preview I'm reading of one of the chapters does not come across as a book written by someone of a classic liberal persuasion.

It's in "The Irish Paradox". He is on a dart and gets mad about junkies being near him.

Sean Moncrieff - Newstalk

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