Sean Moncrieff - Newstalk

26-03-2021 07:31PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Well he is in favour of decriminalisation of drugs, or so it is strongly implied, but by his own words he has no time for what he calls "junkies", ie people with a catastrophic brain disease. That's well documented, even in his book. That's a classic liberal approach — 'take whatever drugs you want, just don't bother me'.

I agree with the party affiliation you suggest, but Labour are more centrist than a left-wing party. Plenty of classic liberals vote for Labour, especially in the public service, but that's another story.

From his response to texts over the years, he is very much in favour of a welfare state. He does not believe in a small government. He is not a classic liberal. I believe in a former life he was shop steward for the NUJ, not really a classic liberal activity.

Tbh, I don't think you listen to the show that often and you've got the wrong impression of him.

26-03-2021 07:39PM

Ahwell wrote: »

From his response to texts over the years, he is very much in favour of a welfare state. He does not believe in a small government. He is not a classic liberal. I believe in a former life he was shop steward for the NUJ, not really a classic liberal activity.

Tbh, I don't think you listen to the show that often and you've got the wrong impression of him.

In their former lives, Brendan O'Connor was a nihilist misanthrope double-jobbing as a trendy priest, and Sean Moncrieff was a woman from a small village in the west of ireland called Ahascr-aw. That was all decades ago.

I am relying on what Moncrieff says and writes. I'm not calling him a libertarian, but there is a streak of that in him alright.

People get old, they become very bald and a little more conservative-liberal. It happens.

26-03-2021 07:43PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In their former lives, Brendan O'Connor was a nihilist misanthrope double-jobbing as a trendy priest, and Sean Moncrieff was a woman from a small village in the west of ireland called Ahascr-aw. That was all decades ago.

I am relying on what Moncrieff says and writes. I'm not calling him a libertarian, but there is a streak of that in him alright.

People get old, they become very bald and a little more conservative-liberal. It happens.

I'm relying on listening to his show regularly over a long period of time. He is not a conservative-liberal.

26-03-2021 09:00PM

Ahwell wrote: »

I'm relying on listening to his show regularly over a long period of time. He is not a conservative-liberal.

He's an extremely nice guy, I wouldn't want to seem to be knocking him.

But his programme is more motivated by a sense of the absurd, you'd get the feeling he sees human beings as amusing, bizarre and incomprehensible — all of which is true — and are best left to their own devices.

He's definitely very much in favour of human rights, maybe not so keen on interference by institutions with the rights of the individual, beyond some vague endorsement of the welfare state which is a very centrist opinion by now. After all, the welfare state is not a socialist idea, quite the opposite. The best socialists view it as a form of bribery.

It's interesting that he never seems to do segments sympathetic to socio-economic rights, doesnt do much on homelessness. I doubt he rebelled against the water tax.

I might be totally wrong, but the man clearly has a taste for Bordeaux wines. What does that tell you?!

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 09:09PM

Moncreif is a rock solid reliable progressive , no different to the vast majority in irish media

his twitter page and occasional irish times collumn should tell anyone that

26-03-2021 09:20PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

his twitter page

It's all movie puns and some very conscientious content about women's rights (great), I'm not seeing any of the left wing stuff.

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer. He's a centrist dad with a passing interest in human rights.

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 09:23PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's all movie puns and some very conscientious content about women's rights (great), I'm not seeing any of the left wing stuff.

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer.

he should not have to appologise for what he is or what he believes in , hes a democrat , hes not ruth coppinger , hes unquestionably on the left however , how anyone could doubt this is beyond me

26-03-2021 09:28PM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

he should not have to appologise for what he is or what he believes in , hes a democrat , hes not ruth coppinger , hes unquestionably on the left however , how anyone could doubt this is beyond me

Again — not criticising him personally. I think he's completely sound. He doesnt have to apologise for anything just because he's not very left.

He is probably a little bit left, like Joan Burton left.

Mad_maxx · 26-03-2021 09:41PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Again — not criticising him personally. I think he's completely sound. He doesnt have to apologise for anything just because he's not very left.

He is probably a little bit left, like Joan Burton left.

He doesn't need to be in PBP to be left

EmmetSpiceland · 26-03-2021 09:59PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Sean Moncrieff is Irish radio's answer to Keir Starmer. He's a centrist dad with a passing interest in human rights.

That’s it. He’s like one of the alternative comedians from the UK in the 80’s. Radical, anarchic and sticking it to “the man” but now happy out in a comfortable bourgeois existence.

Not Alexei Sayle, though, obviously.

26-03-2021 10:14PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't mean to drag this topic too much, apologies to unsuspecting readers, but it just grinds my gears when anyone with a mild sense of social justice is labelled as left wing (or worse, socialist, or sympathetic to it), despite all evidence to the contrary.

Where is this evidence, you haven't supplied any? The notion that there is a streak of the libertarian in him is nonsense. He used to have an actual libertarian, Gerard Casey, on a philosophy slot years ago. They used to joke about how much they disagreed on everything. Again, I maintain you haven't listened to the show that often.

26-03-2021 10:40PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Where is this evidence, you haven't supplied any? The notion that there is a streak of the libertarian in him is nonsense.

What am I expected to produce here, transcripts? I've given a fair example from his book (it is very good, people should read it) where he goes on about his strong aversion to "junkies". I think a good gauge of someone's position on the woke spectrum (we did a whole seminar on this where Ruth Coppinger shouted at everyone in fluent russian) is what kinda thoughts you have towards the most vulnerable people in the group.

I feel like i am labouring a point that I actually don't feel very strongly about. Moncrieff is a very talented presenter, and undoubtedly one of the most progressive voices in radio. I just think that accolade is indicative of an extremely low standard. That whole notion of the "woke" or socialist media bubble is an absolute joke.

26-03-2021 11:28PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What am I expected to produce here, transcripts? I've given a fair example from his book (it is very good, people should read it) where he goes on about his strong aversion to "junkies". I think a good gauge of someone's position on the woke spectrum (we did a whole seminar on this where Ruth Coppinger shouted at everyone in fluent russian) is what kinda thoughts you have towards the most vulnerable people in the group.

I feel like i am labouring a point that I actually don't feel very strongly about. Moncrieff is a very talented presenter, and undoubtedly one of the most progressive voices in radio. I just think that accolade is indicative of an extremely low standard. That whole notion of the "woke" or socialist media bubble is an absolute joke.

Which book is this? A google search of "sean moncrieff junkies" only throws back his novel The Angel of the Streetlamps. Oh..and old post of yours from 2017 starting "Moncrieff is not a 'PC left winger'". I assume you're not talking about a work of fiction. Is it "The Irish Paradox"?, because the preview I'm reading of one of the chapters does not come across as a book written by someone of a classic liberal persuasion.

26-03-2021 11:48PM

Ahwell wrote: »

Which book is this? A google search of "sean moncrieff junkies" only throws back his novel The Angel of the Streetlamps. Oh..and old post of yours from 2017 starting "Moncrieff is not a 'PC left winger'". I assume you're not talking about a work of fiction. Is it "The Irish Paradox"?, because the preview I'm reading of one of the chapters does not come across as a book written by someone of a classic liberal persuasion.

It's in "The Irish Paradox". He is on a dart and gets mad about junkies being near him.

27-03-2021 12:51PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What am I expected to produce here, transcripts? I've given a fair example from his book (it is very good, people should read it) where he goes on about his strong aversion to "junkies". I think a good gauge of someone's position on the woke spectrum (we did a whole seminar on this where Ruth Coppinger shouted at everyone in fluent russian) is what kinda thoughts you have towards the most vulnerable people in the group.

I feel like i am labouring a point that I actually don't feel very strongly about. Moncrieff is a very talented presenter, and undoubtedly one of the most progressive voices in radio. I just think that accolade is indicative of an extremely low standard. That whole notion of the "woke" or socialist media bubble is an absolute joke.

Plenty of socialists are hostile to the lumpen proletariats, not least the grand daddy of them all Marx and Engels.

here's the communist party of the USA on the issue ( from wiki)

The Communist Party USA website defines it as follows:[9]

Generally unemployable people who make no positive contribution to an economy. Sometimes described as the bottom layer of a capitalist society. May include criminal and mentally unstable people. Some activists consider them "most radical" because they are "most exploited," but they are un-organizable and more likely to act as paid agents than to have any progressive role in class struggle.

Engels had even choicer language. Nowadays the fact that socialism is pro worker seems to be forgotten. And who exactly is the working class ( i.e proletarians too).

Most people in the private sector for instance

28-03-2021 12:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Plenty of socialists are hostile to the lumpen proletariats, not least the grand daddy of them all Marx and Engels.

Engels had even choicer language. Nowadays the fact that socialism is pro worker seems to be forgotten. And who exactly is the working class ( i.e proletarians too).

Most people in the private sector for instance

I agree with all of this. It's very interesting that people associate socialism-communism with things like the welfare state, which is an anathema even to contemporary schools of Marxism.

However, I'm not sure that people with addictions to drugs are lumpen-proles, they have a neurological disorder that is recognised as a medical (not just a psychiatric) condition by every mainstream medical association. It has been so for a very long time. It is our economy, in partnership with political economy, which is behind the perception of addicted people as useless. We'd never say the same about someone who has cancer brought on by lifestyle 'choice' but that's a whole other rabbit-hole.

Not that it's totally irrelevant, it's a topic I wish was given some real examination in our media. I can't remember the last time I heard a radio report that dealt with addiction as a medical disorder, the focus is always on bad choices.

28-03-2021 06:37AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's very interesting that people associate socialism-communism with things like the welfare state, which is an anathema even to contemporary schools of Marxism.

Really? I find it more interesting someone decides Moncrieff advocates "everyone should be let alone to be themselves, society owes them nothing and expects nothing" because he doesn't like sitting next to junkies on the Dart. Yet in that book you read he concludes that the better the social security safety net a state provides the more equal those societies are and more equal societies do better. Whereas, your classical liberal types would see the welfare state as interfering in a free market.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-04-2021 03:03PM

Seán really OWNED that Tatiana McGrath guy.

2smiggy · 08-04-2021 03:09PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Seán really OWNED that Tatiana McGrath guy.

caught out with the need for mass debates on buses etc as well :pac:

ShagNastii · 08-04-2021 06:34PM

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Seán really OWNED that Tatiana McGrath guy.

Sean had his claws out but to be fair it wasn’t your mans first rodeo.

He is awfully guilty of scoffing at people who aren’t card carrying lefties like himself. It’s a really bad trait.

10-04-2021 12:47PM

Yesterday Sean interviewed partner in a gay couple who will be moving from Ireland when they are able to. And an environmentalist architect yesterday.

Too many humans.
Modern architecture is bad.

Cole · 10-04-2021 01:44PM

ShagNastii wrote: »

Sean had his claws out but to be fair it wasn’t your mans first rodeo.

He is awfully guilty of scoffing at people who aren’t card carrying lefties like himself. It’s a really bad trait.

I haven't listened for a long time and a big reason is this. It's hard not to allow your 'politics' to come through a little bit on a show like this and that's okay, but there's few more annoying traits in a presenter than sneering at contrary views. He's up there with D'Arsey.

Akesh · 10-04-2021 01:47PM

Cole wrote: »

I haven't listened for a long time and a big reason is this. It's hard not to allow your 'politics' to come through a little bit on a show like this and that's okay, but there's few more annoying traits in a presenter than sneering at contrary views. He's up there with D'Arsey.

In fairness he is just giving his audience what they want, alturism on steroids for the greater good. It's awful radio but there is obviously enough people who are willing to tune in to his preachy nonsense.

SafeSurfer · 19-04-2021 09:41PM

On the Montcrieff show on Friday there was a documentary mentioned and recommended. I didn’t catch the name of it and would rather not relisten to the whole show.

Does anyone know what it was called?

19-04-2021 09:53PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

On the Montcrieff show on Friday there was a documentary mentioned and recommended. I didn’t catch the name of it and would rather not relisten to the whole show.

Does anyone know what it was called?

Henry Glassie: Field Work

SafeSurfer · 19-04-2021 09:56PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Henry Glassie: Field Work

That’s great. Thank you very much.

BPKS · 19-04-2021 11:29PM

What time is the TV slot on a Monday now?

20-04-2021 12:33AM

BPKS wrote: »

What time is the TV slot on a Monday now?

Between 2pm and 4pm.

I think it jumps around a lot, but you used to be able to find segments by searching for them on the app. If you try searching "tv on the radio" it should come up as its own podcast listing.

BPKS · 20-04-2021 08:15AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Between 2pm and 4pm.

I think it jumps around a lot, but you used to be able to find segments by searching for them on the app. If you try searching "tv on the radio" it should come up as its own podcast listing.

It used to be on Thursdays (last Thursday being the last) after 3 o clock but he said its been changed to Monday now so I assumed they would have a specific slot for it.

I didn't like the Dempsey lad who does the TV reviews at the start but he has grown on me now - seems like a nice fella. Has recommended some good stuff over the last few years.

2smiggy · 20-04-2021 09:48AM

forgot it was moved to Mondays , enjoyed that slot every week

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