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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #542
    Neagra
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭Neagra


    Graham wrote: »
    None of your business.

    and there you go
    you have proven my point
    thanks


  • #543
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Neagra wrote: »
    and there you go
    you have proven my point
    thanks

    What’s your job?


  • #544
    Neagra
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭Neagra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ye talk some horsesh*t. There is no on the one hand or the other when faced with this tripe. It not genuine debate, but the demonisation of an other as is the standard with most baseless populist nonsense. Find an enemy, demonise the enemy and make the conversation about them, because the base argument is vacuous.

    thanks
    raind its better to have this out in the open.


  • #545
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,317 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Neagra wrote: »
    and there you go
    you have proven my point
    thanks

    What do you do when you're not being a dick to retail staff?


  • #546
    Neagra
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭Neagra


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What’s your job?

    read my previous posts - i say what i am

    also i dont work from home , not a day since this has started
    and i have not been affected financially in the last year and wont be.


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  • #547
    Neagra
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭Neagra


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    What do you do when you're not being a dick to retail staff?

    read my previous posts.


  • #548
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    George Lee is still blaming pubs an restaurants for increasing numbers

    https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921


  • #549
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    normanoffside wrote: »
    George Lee is still blaming pubs an restaurants for increasing numbers

    https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921

    I hope this stuff isn’t forgotten.

    Talk about kicking people when they are down.

    These business people have lost their livelihoods and this lad is claiming they have blood on their hands transmitting cases when they are closed for months

    RTE for the truth eh


  • #550
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    normanoffside wrote: »
    George Lee is still blaming pubs an restaurants for increasing numbers

    https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921

    Maybe he is talking about the cafes in the Primary Health Care facilities that are open and trading with indoor dining available to all.


  • #551
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Fair enough in that no one wants to reopen anything for it to down again shortly afterwards.

    The problem lies in the ‘quickest, safest’ bit. Is it based on your own leanings as to what’s quickest and safest, or wholly according to what government will sanction?

    Isn’t it your position that more movement equals greater spread of Covid? Why will there be more movement sanctioned by government on 5th April, what will make it safer, and not add to the spread of Covid then?

    More movement will inevitably result in more spread. I'd rather see a very short very strictly enforced period of restrictions but I doubt that will happen. Instead we will see prolonged but loosely enforced restrictions for longer.

    In the absence of reduced/reducing case numbers, plan 'B' is the vaccination program rolls out faster than cases/hospitalisations increase.

    I think the cost is going to be much of the summer and lots of businesses.


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  • #552
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Maybe he is talking about the cafes in the Primary Health Care facilities that are open and trading with indoor dining available to all.

    Do they have pubs too?


  • #553
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Neagra wrote: »
    read my previous posts - i say what i am

    also i dont work from home , not a day since this has started
    and i have not been affected financially in the last year and wont be.

    So a tax accountant and company director can’t work from home?

    I am a engineer who can do part of my job from home but am lucky enough to work in an essential industry. I did have a 3 month salary cut and my wife has been out of work since the start of the pandemic as she contracts. She did have something lined up for January but it fell through because of the new lockdown. 2 kids and mortgage and what is an above average salary, but not by much means we are getting by, but barely and will be far better off when things return to normal.
    So I guess your story and my story contradict your theory.

    All I have said, I have shared previously on the forum, because I know the next accusation will be that I am making it up. Would you like to know what I had for breakfast?


  • #554
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Graham wrote: »
    More movement will inevitably result in more spread. I'd rather see a very short very strictly enforced period of restrictions but I doubt that will happen. Instead we will see prolonged but loosely enforced restrictions for longer.

    In the absence of reduced/reducing case numbers, plan 'B' is the vaccination program rolls out faster than cases/hospitalisations increase.

    I think the cost is going to be much of the summer and lots of businesses.

    We can agree on this.

    Of course we won’t agree if it’s acceptable collateral damage due to an incredibly cautious reopening.

    Realistically, with the current vaccination level, what happens if we reopen various non essential retail with social distancing measures right now?

    There seem’s to be an acceptance, that if the economy and many businesses fails, if buying a home is out of reach for many families, if we watch our next generation head for countries who did not hit the economy as hard, so be it, at least we tried to lower case numbers (while we had our vulnerable and HCWs vaccinated)


  • #555
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We can agree on this.

    Of course we won’t agree if it’s acceptable collateral damage due to an incredibly cautious reopening.

    Realistically, with the current vaccination level, what happens if we reopen various non essential retail with social distancing measures right now?

    There seem’s to be an acceptance, that if the economy and many businesses fails, if buying a home is out of reach for many families, if we watch our next generation head for countries who did not hit the economy as hard, so be it, at least we tried to lower case numbers (while we had our vulnerable and HCWs vaccinated)

    My view is that there is no reason click and collect and non essential retail in general should not be allowed, with enforced number restrictions. I think in a months time, outdoor hospitality at a minimum will be a viable option


  • #556
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My view is that there is no reason click and collect and non essential retail in general should not be allowed, with enforced number restrictions. I think in a months time, outdoor hospitality at a minimum will be a viable option

    So another month for those services you believe?

    That’s about the timeline the rest of the EU followed last year with no vaccine


  • #557
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We can agree on this.

    Of course we won’t agree if it’s acceptable collateral damage due to an incredibly cautious reopening.

    A non-cautious reopening is likely to result in more collateral damage if it is rapidly reversed. It's certainly not a way to avoid it.


  • #558
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My view is that there is no reason click and collect and non essential retail in general should not be allowed, with enforced number restrictions. I think in a months time, outdoor hospitality at a minimum will be a viable option

    I would agree, but I don't see it happening.

    Mind you, I don't understand why a pub can't operate by offering an antigen test and limited capacity either...but we are months and months away from hospitality opening in any way shape or form...or so I'm told.


  • #559
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Graham wrote: »
    A non-cautious reopening is likely to result in more collateral damage if it is rapidly reversed.

    Surely you can quantify that?

    What collateral damage

    Please don’t say look at what happened at Christmas

    Remembering many vulnerable and HCWs are vaccinated

    This week kidney recipients as young as early 30’s got their first dose.


  • #560
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    My view is that there is no reason click and collect and non essential retail in general should not be allowed, with enforced number restrictions. I think in a months time, outdoor hospitality at a minimum will be a viable option

    I'd like to see click & collect reopen, non-essential retail a couple of weeks later

    Full disclosure, I'd benefit from the reopening of non-essential retail.


  • #561
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Surely you can quantify that?

    What collateral damage

    Exactly the same collateral damage that you think will happen if we don't start reopening things now.

    Increased borrowing, more business closures, loss of jobs, reduced/limited healthcare etc. etc. etc.

    The only part we appear to significantly disagree on is the solution.


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  • #562
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I would agree, but I don't see it happening.

    Mind you, I don't understand why a pub can't operate by offering an antigen test and limited capacity either...but we are months and months away from hospitality opening in any way shape or form...or so I'm told.

    I have shared the view previously that a pub adhering to the same numbers as restaurants is no different.


  • #563
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,000 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Graham wrote: »
    More movement will inevitably result in more spread. I'd rather see a very short very strictly enforced period of restrictions but I doubt that will happen. Instead we will see prolonged but loosely enforced restrictions for longer.

    In the absence of reduced/reducing case numbers, plan 'B' is the vaccination program rolls out faster than cases/hospitalisations increase.

    I think the cost is going to be much of the summer and lots of businesses.

    The ship has sailed on short, strictly enforced lockdowns. There is an argument to be made that a few sharp lockdowns would have had the same or better results as we have now (not closing borders, we could never have closed them fully enough for Zero-Covid). But it’s far too late for it now.

    We have no other option but prolonged restrictions with slight easing until enough vaccinations, unless hospital numbers continue to fall despite rising cases - then there’s no plausible excuse for caution exhibited so far.

    On 5th April we will not be on target with the vaccination plan that was in place when that date was announced, so the easing of the 5km restriction will not be data-driven. It’s encouraging that government are being forced to consider carefully, as NPHETs advice and the majority view on some restrictions are starting to diverge.


  • #564
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Graham wrote: »
    I'd like to see click & collect reopen, non-essential retail a couple of weeks later

    Full disclosure, I'd benefit from the reopening of non-essential retail.

    Full disclosure, I’d benefit from a couple of pints in the village


  • #565
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Full disclosure, I’d benefit from a couple of pints in the village

    Would you accept it as reasonable compromise if you never got them in the village?


  • #566
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Would you accept it as reasonable compromise if you never got them in the village?

    Well anywhere, but it’s only 1k away


  • #567
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well anywhere, but it’s only 1k away

    We will be queuing for pints at Wetherspoons by the time pubs reopen in Ireland


  • #568
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    We will be queuing for pints at Wetherspoons by the time pubs reopen in Ireland

    I’m alright jack, the local has been done up over the last few weeks and the owner has the adjoining takeaway also which has been doing a roaring trade in chips and cans


  • #569
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I’m alright jack, the local has been done up over the last few weeks and the owner has the adjoining takeaway also which has been doing a roaring trade in chips and cans

    Shrewd businessman that got non essential construction carried out recently


  • #570
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    normanoffside wrote: »
    George Lee is still blaming pubs an restaurants for increasing numbers

    https://twitter.com/idahocafe/status/1375516825954385921

    They’re expecting a surge to come this weekend from the crowds attending the Munster v Leinster rugby match and the Ireland v Luxembourg match.

    Keep an eye out for numbers to jump!

    Sure there won’t actually be any crowds at the games but hey, ye know throw it out there anyway, enough will probably still swallow it.


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  • #571
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    The ship has sailed on short, strictly enforced lockdowns. There is an argument to be made that a few sharp lockdowns would have had the same or better results as we have now (not closing borders, we could never have closed them fully enough for Zero-Covid). But it’s far too late for it now.

    I don't think it's too late but I do think it's unlikely.
    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    We have no other option but prolonged restrictions with slight easing until enough vaccinations, unless hospital numbers continue to fall despite rising cases - then there’s no plausible excuse for caution exhibited so far.

    I think you're right, that's pretty much the corner we've backed ourselves into.


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