Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 26-03-2021 02:34PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Will be interesting to compare mental health outcomes between places with fewer/shorter restrictions and those with more/longer ones. I have a feeling it has much less to do with the number of people who died in a country and much more to do with having life disrupted so heavily by lockdowns themselves.

I have no idea what a study like that would like or how it could be collated.

But we do know their is a direct established link between mental health and bereavement, now with 110,000+ people dying in the UK often in grim circumstances I can imagine that will have a negative effect on families and loved ones.

We actually have studies from the UK on the mental health of HCW's dealing with the pandemic.

A large proportion of UK HCW had high mental health symptoms. ‘Fixed’ risk factors of poor mental health included being female, being ‘frontline’, pre-existing mental health diagnoses, and experience of stressful/traumatic events. An additional set of ‘controllable’ factors also significantly increased risk: PPE availability, workload, lack of COVID-19 preparation and training, and insufficient communication of clinical procedures. Resilience and sharing stress reduced risk, as did ethical support for those making treatment decisions. Allied HCW and managers were at elevated risk of high symptoms particularly PTSD. Wellbeing, especially of frontline workers, had significantly worsened compared to before COVID-19.

26-03-2021 03:01PM

Noting that the pandemic itself has had some negative effects on mental health - good.

Noting that the unprecedentedly doctrinaire methods used by governments to deal with the pandemic have had some negative effects on mental health - bad.

It's laughably transparent and incredibly tiresome.

TonyMaloney · 26-03-2021 03:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Noting that the pandemic itself has had some negative effects on mental health - good.

Noting that the unprecedentedly doctrinaire methods used by governments to deal with the pandemic have had some negative effects on mental health - bad.

It's laughably transparent and incredibly tiresome.

You're getting tired from a fictional dialogue that exists in your head only

Nobody is denying that protracted lockdowns are having an impact on mental health.

francogarbanzo · 26-03-2021 03:05PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You're getting tired from a fictional dialogue that exists in your head only

Nobody is denying that protracted lockdowns are having an impact on mental health.

Not explicitly, no.

26-03-2021 03:05PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You're getting tired from a fictional dialogue that exists in your head only

Is it strictly necessary to be this much of a twat, Tony?

TonyMaloney · 26-03-2021 03:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it strictly necessary to be this much of a twat, Tony?

Thanks for that

It's true though. I'm stuggling with it all myself. So why would I be in denial about the cause of it?
It's been a ****ing ghastly year.

But you guys don't want a conversation about mental health. You're just trying to weaponise the subject. And that's why you're lobbing eating disorders into the mix. Could be correlation. Could be causation. You don't care, you just use it anyway.

And then you wail about the other side being in denial and call them twats

FintanMcluskey · 26-03-2021 03:26PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Thanks for that

It's true though. I'm stuggling with it all myself. So why would I be in denial about the cause of it?
It's been a ****ing ghastly year.

But you guys don't want a conversation about mental health. You're just trying to weaponise the subject. And that's why you're lobbing eating disorders into the mix. Could be correlation. Could be causation. You don't care, you just use it anyway.

And then you wail about the other side being in denial and call them twats

Such hypocrisy

Covid has been weaponised from the very start

It’s as if nobody died before or will ever die again they way the conversation spins in circles

I’ve yet to see many conversation’s that didn’t resort to using death’s as a refute to counter basic logic

fin12 · 26-03-2021 03:30PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I think so. A few months ago we would hear nothing like that from anyone.

Ya and I also read an article where there was TDS saying the 5k is ridiculous, like u would have never seen an article published like that a few months ago. The whole thing is a joke , nphet are stalling , the 5k will be lifted .

26-03-2021 03:34PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Thanks for that

It's true though. I'm stuggling with it all myself. So why would I be in denial about the cause of it?
It's been a ****ing ghastly year.

But you guys don't want a conversation about mental health. You're just trying to weaponise the subject. And that's why you're lobbing eating disorders into the mix. Could be correlation. Could be causation. You don't care, you just use it anyway.

And then you wail about the other side being in denial and call them twats

You don't want it spoken about because you love the lockdowns, they really haven't been that bad for you, you like the authoritarian rule, and you will take pleasure in seeing the suffering of people needlessly dying of cancer. You'll probably laugh when the suicide statistics come out, and I'd bet that you get on the old Zoom with your mates to talk about what pathetic weaklings people are when they get on the radio to talk about their cracking mental health. And then you talk about the other side having fantasies in their heads...

...do you see how ****ing ludicrous that sounds? And how it makes me sound like a twat?

Parachutes · 26-03-2021 03:35PM

fin12 wrote: »

Ya and I also read an article where there was TDS saying the 5k is ridiculous, like u would have never seen an article published like that a few months ago. The whole thing is a joke , nphet are stalling , the 5k will be lifted .

I wouldn’t count on it. The UK has nearly 30 million vaccinated and the virus circulating the population for a year and MP’s there have voted to extend lockdown powers for a further 6 months. At what point did science stop believing in the human immune system?

This collective hysteria is here to stay for a long while yet.

growleaves · 26-03-2021 03:36PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Thanks for that

It's true though. I'm stuggling with it all myself. So why would I be in denial about the cause of it?
It's been a ****ing ghastly year.

But you guys don't want a conversation about mental health. You're just trying to weaponise the subject. And that's why you're lobbing eating disorders into the mix. Could be correlation. Could be causation. You don't care, you just use it anyway.

And then you wail about the other side being in denial and call them twats

Er no Tony. The moment Boggles mentioned the possibility of a reporting effect I conceded that as a factor. It genuinely hadn't occurred to me beforehand.

When has any lockdown supporter admitted that 'correlation does not equal causation' applies to the theories of causality that underpin the restrictions?

They don't ever do that because - lets hear it one more time - itsnotrocketscienceguys! that simple theories of cause and effect are normative therefore we don't ever have to look into it, we can just assume it and make that assumption the basis for our interpretation of other phenomena.

I'm going to discuss the health fallout of lockdowns since the lockdowns themselves are a second public health crisis. Many lockdown supporters are happy to use ridiculously highly emotive phrases and worst case scenarios. All I'm doing is posting articles and discussing them.

fin12 · 26-03-2021 03:48PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I wouldn’t count on it. The UK has nearly 30 million vaccinated and the virus circulating the population for a year and MP’s there have voted to extend lockdown powers for a further 6 months. At what point did science stop believing in the human immune system?

This collective hysteria is here to stay for a long while yet.

I am very confident the 5 k is going to change after April.

FintanMcluskey · 26-03-2021 03:54PM

fin12 wrote: »

I am very confident the 5 k is going to change after April.

Definitely

2km is more than enough for people to be away from their homes

fin12 · 26-03-2021 03:55PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Definitely

2km is more than enough for people to be away from their homes

Look go wind someone else cause u won’t do it to me

fin12 · 26-03-2021 03:56PM

Don’t know why anyone is saying uk going backwards, Johnson won this, it’s full steam ahead for them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-25/johnson-wins-u-k-parliament-backing-for-plan-to-lift-lockdown

FintanMcluskey · 26-03-2021 03:58PM

fin12 wrote: »

Look go wind someone else cause u won’t do it to me

Calm down, it was clearly a joke

Multipass · 26-03-2021 03:58PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Definitely

2km is more than enough for people to be away from their homes

10km and aren’t we lucky to have this new freedom. Don’t party too hard on it.

fin12 · 26-03-2021 04:02PM

Multipass wrote: »

10km and aren’t we lucky to have this new freedom. Don’t party too hard on it.

It’s going to be scrapped, too many TDs are making noise about it...

TonyMaloney · 26-03-2021 04:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You don't want it spoken about because you love the lockdowns, they really haven't been that bad for you, you like the authoritarian rule, and you will take pleasure in seeing the suffering of people needlessly dying of cancer. You'll probably laugh when the suicide statistics come out, and I'd bet that you get on the old Zoom with your mates to talk about what pathetic weaklings people are when they get on the radio to talk about their cracking mental health. And then you talk about the other side having fantasies in their heads...

...do you see how ****ing ludicrous that sounds? And how it makes me sound like a twat?

that is all offensive and just plain nuts

26-03-2021 04:20PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

that is all offensive and just plain nuts

I'm glad you agree. Now maybe stop posting that sort of nonsense to me.

fin12 · 26-03-2021 04:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Calm down, it was clearly a joke

Sorry Fintan.

fin12 · 26-03-2021 04:26PM

This is great news, I’ve just seen a poll on the journal and for the first time ever the majority have voted to scrap the 5k completely.

TonyMaloney · 26-03-2021 04:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm glad you agree. Now maybe stop posting that sort of nonsense to me.

Deleted User wrote: »

Noting that the pandemic itself has had some negative effects on mental health - good.

Noting that the unprecedentedly doctrinaire methods used by governments to deal with the pandemic have had some negative effects on mental health - bad.

It's laughably transparent and incredibly tiresome.

Who's doing what exactly?

I've had enough of your abuse for one day.

26-03-2021 04:42PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Who's doing what exactly?

I've had enough of your abuse for one day.

You did, Tony, when you decided that my general statement was a good opportunity to personally attack me as having a "fictional dialogue that exists in your head only" and then suggest that the only reason I've been continually bringing attention to mental health (and other) issues for months is not because I care, but because I want to "weaponise" it.

"Abuse" indeed. If you can dish it out...

TonyMaloney · 26-03-2021 04:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You did, Tony, when you decided that my general statement was a good opportunity to personally attack me as having a "fictional dialogue that exists in your head only" and then suggest that the only reason I've been continually bringing attention to mental health (and other) issues for months is not because I care, but because I want to "weaponise" it.

"Abuse" indeed. If you can dish it out...

Your "general statement" directly followed a specific (and well mannered) discussion on mental health and eating disorders.

Who was it aimed at? Was it just bad timing?

Kiith · 26-03-2021 04:57PM

fin12 wrote: »

This is great news, I’ve just seen a poll on the journal and for the first time ever the majority have voted to scrap the 5k completely.

Ah ****, now i have to be pro-5km restrictions. Can't ever be in agreement with Journal readers :pac:

26-03-2021 04:57PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Your "general statement" directly followed a specific (and well mannered) discussion on mental health and eating disorders.

Who was it aimed at? Was it just bad timing?

It was aimed generally at any people reading who are very willing to consider the mental health effects of the pandemic itself on healthcare workers, but who instantly jump to poo-pooing and trying to "debunk" any mention of the mental health effects of strict lockdown measures. An attempt, if you will, to try and give those people pause to consider that both are important and worthy of consideration. And yes, I made the post immediately after a discussion of same. It was topical.

You will note the absence of anyone trying to "debunk" or downplay the toll that the pandemic will have had on healthcare workers.

Is that what got you so offended you decided we ought to enter the realm of personal attack? I try to stay away from that sort of thing, Tony, and I think your posts here are usually measured even if we disagree. But you will not be left to attack me personally without a response.

Baggly · 26-03-2021 05:06PM

Mod

Cymro, you are done in this thread. Dont post here again.

jusvi2001 · 26-03-2021 05:56PM

In Melbourne people don't have to wear the mask in supermarkets anymore. Here we are still discussing about ridiculous restrictions like 5 km rule. People in Australia are enjoying normal life because their government closed boarder and any one who is entering Australia has to go mandatory hotel quarantine and series of covid test.

Here our boarder is open for people to come and go as they like even from high risk countries but government want to keep whole country in harsh prolonged lock down. after 3 months of lock down and 3 months since first vaccine.. we are no where near to normal life. people are so obliged to what ever non sense NPHET and government says.

Baggly · 26-03-2021 06:02PM

BlaktainPicard threadbanned too for discussing mod decisions on thread (post since deleted)

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