What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 25-03-2021 08:03PM

Good vaccination numbers out of France today - 360k

https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/actualites/presse/communiques-de-presse/article/vaccination-contre-la-covid-en-france-au-25-mars-2021-pres-de-9-780-000

JTMan · 25-03-2021 08:06PM

Sweden have resumed using the AZ/Oxford vaccine, as the FT reports here (paywall).

However, Sweden have restricted use to those aged 65+.

Finland resumed use on Wednesday too. But also restricted use to those aged 65+.

Vaccine continues to be suspended in Norway and Denmark but Norway will make a decision on Friday.

murphaph · 25-03-2021 08:19PM

Aegir wrote: »

The EU have provided **** all.

We're vaccinating the world.

JTMan · 25-03-2021 08:20PM

Interesting WSJ article here (paywall) on AZ.

Mistrust in AZ is so deep at the FDA they are deepening their investigations ...

The FDA, which needs to sign off on the vaccine before it is used in the U.S., normally sends staffers to clinical trial sites to assess how data is compiled before any approval. The FDA now expects to dispatch more employees to more sites than normal because of the level of mistrust that has built up, according to a senior U.S. official.

Bit cynical · 25-03-2021 08:24PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

How?

We can only vaccinate with what we got.

As my FIL's brother/Uncle-in-Law said at the weekend, "Every autumn and winter, GPs and Pharmacists vaccinate 1.2m people with no major interventions; the issue is supply."

We as in the EU.

Bit cynical · 25-03-2021 08:31PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

The UK has provided xxxx all.

A private company called Astra Zeneca who promised to provide fxxking everything to everyone is not providing fxxking everything and is laughing in the background while it's customers attack each over for the scraps it is providing.

That's right. The dispute is because the EU, which is behind the UK in vaccinations generally, thinks it has been treated unfairly by AZ and is favouring the UK.

Strazdas · 25-03-2021 08:37PM

Something several people have picked up on in the "UK vs EU" thing is simple logistics : it's much harder to supply the far bigger customer.

Let's say the UK needs 30 million doses. Just to keep level with that number per capita, the EU needs at least 200m doses. So, far from the EU supply chain issues being down to incompetence or ineptitude from the EU, it's mainly down to them being a far larger customer at a time when vaccines are in short supply.

nsnoefc1878 · 25-03-2021 08:47PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

We as in the EU.

You'd swear we weren't a member.

25-03-2021 09:23PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Something several people have picked up on in the "UK vs EU" thing is simple logistics : it's much harder to supply the far bigger customer.

Let's say the UK needs 30 million doses. Just to keep level with that number per capita, the EU needs at least 200m doses. So, far from the EU supply chain issues being down to incompetence or ineptitude from the EU, it's mainly down to them being a far larger customer at a time when vaccines are in short supply.

And German politics is turning it in to a bigger issue than it needs to be.

The Social democrats are heaping the pressure on to Von der Leyan because she is Angela Merkal’s choice of commissioner and ex member of her cabinet. An attack on her for the slow roll out in Germany (who up til now have been leading Europe in how to handle the pandemic) is an attack on their coalition partner without attacking the government of which they are part.

Pete_Cavan · 25-03-2021 09:36PM

Aegir wrote: »

First you try and claim Michael Fassbender, then Ed Sheeran and now the Jenner Institute and BioNtech.

When will this stop?

How about we all agree that vaccines don't have nationalities?

It is however true to say that doses produced in the EU have vaccinated 77m people around the world (including two thirds of those vaccinated in the UK). The EU hasn't taken a nationalistic view of vaccines and has allowed the producers to supply countries as necessary. We have heard lots about how the EU got everything wrong while the UK government were proactive in setting up vaccine production, invested so much, left nothing to chance, etc. The figures coming out now do not support this.

sameoldname · 25-03-2021 09:42PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

How about we all agree that vaccines don't have nationalities?

It is however true to say that doses produced in the EU have vaccinated 77m people around the world (including two thirds of those vaccinated in the UK). The EU hasn't taken a nationalistic view of vaccines and has allowed the producers to supply countries as necessary. We have heard lots about how the EU got everything wrong while the UK government were proactive in setting up vaccine production, invested so much, left nothing to chance, etc. The figures coming out now do not support this.

I think his general gist is; The UK is always right, the EU is always wrong and the Irish deserved to starve during the famine because Great Britain had signed a better contract. Or something like that.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2021 09:46PM

Aegir wrote: »

And German politics is turning it in to a bigger issue than it needs to be.

The Social democrats are heaping the pressure on to Von der Leyan because she is Angela Merkal’s choice of commissioner and ex member of her cabinet. An attack on her for the slow roll out in Germany (who up til now have been leading Europe in how to handle the pandemic) is an attack on their coalition partner without attacking the government of which they are part.

We need better leadership in the EU to deal with this vaccine issue but I doubt we are going to get it anytime soon.
Let’s face it. Von Der Leyan was appointed because of her gender. When the job was up for grabs there was a hue and cry that a woman be appointed.
She has proved herself to be completely incompetent and keeps handing the Brits sticks to beat her with.
Unfortunately, she cannot be removed, or even criticised, because to do so would be regarded as misogyny!

Dyr · 25-03-2021 09:53PM

Aegir wrote: »

And German politics is turning it in to a bigger issue than it needs to be.

The Social democrats are heaping the pressure on to Von der Leyan because she is Angela Merkal’s choice of commissioner and ex member of her cabinet. An attack on her for the slow roll out in Germany (who up til now have been leading Europe in how to handle the pandemic) is an attack on their coalition partner without attacking the government of which they are part.

I pointed out earlier that German politics will be a major factor in the EUs decision making for this issue, sadly thats always the case.

I also pointed out waaaay back in this thread, when it first became obvious the commision had dropped the ball massively on the vaccine rollout that you would see tons of posters who will do anything other than admit thats the case. Thus always with zealots

25-03-2021 09:58PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

How about we all agree that vaccines don't have nationalities?

It is however true to say that doses produced in the EU have vaccinated 77m people around the world (including two thirds of those vaccinated in the UK). The EU hasn't taken a nationalistic view of vaccines and has allowed the producers to supply countries as necessary. We have heard lots about how the EU got everything wrong while the UK government were proactive in setting up vaccine production, invested so much, left nothing to chance, etc. The figures coming out now do not support this.

From what I can see, the only people taking a nationalistic view and assigning nationalities to vaccines are on this forum.

fly_agaric · 25-03-2021 09:59PM

Aegir wrote: »

she is Angela Merkal’s choice of commissioner and ex member of her cabinet

She was a compromise afair. The likes of Poland/Hungary would not wear the people (those "lead candidates") who were supposed to get the job (or those we expected would get it when the EU elections were held anyway). So we can (partially) thank the wonderful Eurosceptic governments in the East for her, as we can also thank them for not wanting to spend too much money on experimental + pricy (and "German") vaccines over the "British" vaccine.

fly_agaric · 25-03-2021 10:18PM

030802 wrote: »

I don't get it. Potatoes?

In analogy with the rightful and just export of food by our English rulers during the Great Famine, the clever and industrious Anglo-Saxon makes his contracts, while the lazy and indolent and stupid EUropean expects a vaccine, the fruit of British Brains, British money, British effort to drop into his lap.

Or even tries to take what he believes is his "fair share" with an export ban.

Lady Bountiful AZ only bestows vaccines on the worthy of this World.
God's judgement I think, eh!

Call me Al · 25-03-2021 10:21PM

Aegir wrote: »

From what I can see, the only people taking a nationalistic view and assigning nationalities to vaccines are on this forum.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-union-jack-oxford-b1762783.html

You're a hoot Aegir.

Leonard Hofstadter · 25-03-2021 10:33PM

Good news at last in relation to the 29 million doses magically found in Italy:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40251701.html

About time the EU grew a pair.

16 million for the EU, with the remaining 13 million for Covax - and I have absolutely no objection whatsoever to giving third world countries vaccines. Not a single dose going to the UK.

160,000 extra doses for us will really make a big difference, as even if case numbers stay the way they are, if we get more of the high risk people vaccinated we can still start to re-open as the risks to hospitals and especially deaths will be far less.

I can't wait for my turn to be vaccinated and to get my freedoms back!

25-03-2021 10:50PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

In analogy with the rightful and just export of food by our English rulers during the Great Famine, the clever and industrious Anglo-Saxon makes his contracts, while the lazy and indolent and stupid EUropean expects a vaccine, the fruit of British Brains, British money, British effort to drop into his lap.

Or even tries to take what he believes is his "fair share" with an export ban.

Lady Bountiful AZ only bestows vaccines on the worthy of this World.
God's judgement I think, eh!

You’ve or serious inferiority issues.

It was a stupid response to a stupid post. One where the poster was accusing the British of being untrustworthy.

The truth of the matter is that the commission is under pressure for a less than Stella performance and are looking to divert blame. Something that a cabal of posters on here absolutely lap up because they love nothing more than blaming the British for everything.

This has nothing to do with the uk. It is an eu mess and it seems to be pretty obvious that most of the nations in Europe understand this.

murphaph · 25-03-2021 10:50PM

Anytime I read this from AZ;
"AstraZeneca has said it was “incorrect” to describe the find as a stockpile, stating that the doses were waiting for “quality control” to be completed" I find myself hearing Dermot Morgan as Father Ted uttering those famous words "That money was just resting in my account".

25-03-2021 10:52PM

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

Good news at last in relation to the 29 million doses magically found in Italy:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40251701.html

About time the EU grew a pair.

16 million for the EU, with the remaining 13 million for Covax - and I have absolutely no objection whatsoever to giving third world countries vaccines. Not a single dose going to the UK.

160,000 extra doses for us will really make a big difference, as even if case numbers stay the way they are, if we get more of the high risk people vaccinated we can still start to re-open as the risks to hospitals and especially deaths will be far less.

I can't wait for my turn to be vaccinated and to get my freedoms back!

Yes, all hail the Eu for getting hold of the vaccines it was going to receive anyway.

murphaph · 25-03-2021 10:53PM

Aegir wrote: »

You’ve or serious inferiority issues.

It was a stupid response to a stupid post. One where the poster was accusing the British of being untrustworthy.

The truth of the matter is that the commission is under pressure for a less than Stella performance and are looking to divert blame. Something that a cabal of posters on here absolutely lap up because they love nothing more than blaming the British for everything.

This has nothing to do with the uk. It is an eu mess and it seems to be pretty obvious that most of the nations in Europe understand this.

But the British (state) are untrustworthy and although Ireland has known it for centuries, the British have now really revealed it to the world. Nobody believes Johnson. The FDA doesn't believe AZ. British credibility is shot to bits.

25-03-2021 10:54PM

murphaph wrote: »

But the British (state) are untrustworthy and although Ireland has known it for centuries, the British have now really revealed it to the world. Nobody believes Johnson. The FDA doesn't believe AZ. British credibility is shot to bits.

And the mask slips

Not that there was ever a mask anyway.

murphaph · 25-03-2021 10:57PM

Aegir wrote: »

Yes, all hail the Eu for getting hold of the vaccines it was going to receive anyway.

Unlikely. Otherwise AZ would have already made it publicly known that it existed and was on the way. I bet at least some of that was heading to the UK, if not the whole lot. It wouldn't surprise me if the UK told AZ to divert it as the optics were already pretty bad.

murphaph · 25-03-2021 10:58PM

Aegir wrote: »

And the mask slips

Not that there was ever a mask anyway.

Exactly. I'm not wearing a mask. I'm saying that the British government is untrustworthy. It has been for a few years now.

25-03-2021 11:05PM

murphaph wrote: »

Unlikely. Otherwise AZ would have already made it publicly known that it existed and was on the way. I bet at least some of that was heading to the UK, if not the whole lot. It wouldn't surprise me if the UK told AZ to divert it as the optics were already pretty bad.

Or maybe this was part of the batch AZ had already told the Eu it was getting by the end of this month?

Dyr · 25-03-2021 11:07PM

Aegir wrote: »

The truth of the matter is that the commission is under pressure for a less than Stella performance and are looking to divert blame. Something that a cabal of posters on here absolutely lap up because they love nothing more than blaming the British for everything.

This has nothing to do with the uk. It is an eu mess and it seems to be pretty obvious that most of the nations in Europe understand this.

If Ursula pointed the blame at little green men from Mars some people would believe it, anything rather than accept that the EU has made a balls of this.

25-03-2021 11:07PM

murphaph wrote: »

Exactly. I'm not wearing a mask. I'm saying that the British government is untrustworthy. It has been for a few years now.

If only there was somewhere you could vent your hatred. Like a forum on Politics or something like that.

This thread is about Astra Zeneca and the EU’s inability to work with a supplier to get what it wants.

Leonard Hofstadter · 25-03-2021 11:15PM

Bambi wrote: »

If Ursula pointed the blame at little green men from Mars some people would believe it, anything rather than accept that the EU has made a balls of this.

Equally there are some (like yourself) who will blame the EU no matter what they do, despite the fact that AZ are miraculously able to deliver everything they promised on time and with the right quantities whilst simultaneously unable to do the same for the EU. Not only that, but only the EU is exporting vaccines, Britain and the US are not (whether there is an official 'ban' is a rather moot point).

mick087 · 25-03-2021 11:16PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

We need better leadership in the EU to deal with this vaccine issue but I doubt we are going to get it anytime soon.
Let’s face it. Von Der Leyan was appointed because of her gender. When the job was up for grabs there was a hue and cry that a woman be appointed.
She has proved herself to be completely incompetent and keeps handing the Brits sticks to beat her with.
Unfortunately, she cannot be removed, or even criticised, because to do so would be regarded as misogyny!

Its difficult for us to have decent leadership as we the citizens don't have a say.
AZ have not had a good PR with this vaccine at all.
The EU commission have made a mess of this, they took on all the responsibility of acquiring the vaccine but none of the accountability.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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