Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles wrote: »

So basically if we had just ignored the pandemic the health service and economy would have been grand?

No if we relaxed restrictions like other countries when appropriate and had a measured approach we would be in a much better position in the long run

Nuts102 wrote: »

No if we relaxed restrictions like other countries when appropriate and had a measured approach we would be in a much better position in the long run

Some change of tone, a minute ago it was a disease that only killed less than 1% of people, now you are speaking of appropriate restrictions.

Other countries are currently locking down.

We are opening up.

There has been a slight rise in infection rate on the back of that.

I'd call that measured, no?

Tying the vaccine roll out with the lifting of restrictions is sensible, is it not?

But if you have simpler more effective way, by all means tap it out.

robbiezero wrote: »

Your quote....
My question....

Your original question

robbiezero wrote:

Are all that 50% admitted because of covid or caught it while on there for something else?

Which I answered btw and then you came up with another

robbiezero wrote: »

Ok, lets try without the pedantry.
How many (or percentage) people under 65 without underlying conditions are in hospital solely because of Covid?

robbiezero wrote:

Sorry if you can't see any relation between the two.

Ah yes both do indeed relate to people with covid in hospitals - after that Google is your friend...

Boggles wrote: »

Some change of tone, a minute ago it was a disease that only killed less than 1% of people, now you are speaking of appropriate restrictions.

Other countries are currently locking down.

We are opening up.

There has been a slight rise in infection rate on the back of that.

I'd call that measured, no?

Tying the vaccine roll out with the lifting of restrictions is sensible, is it not?

But if you have simpler more effective way, by all means tap it out.

Vaccine rollout is a major factor but more sensible would be tying easing of pressure on health system with lifting of restrictions.

the kelt wrote: »

Someone in dublin city centre can walk out as far as UCD and back and come in contact with more people in one morning within their 5k than i have in total this year whilst walking on the beach outside my 5k

I totally agree with you here. Likewise I live in the foothills of the Dublin mountains and could probably cycle 100km up there and meet less people than I would on a walk in Marlay Park which is maybe a km from me.
However government can't really legislate for every individual case can it ? If they wanted a distance restriction they had to pick a number, it could have been 2, it could have been 10, they picked 5.
People are on here saying everybody knows at this stage to keep their distance - if thats true, why the F are people not doing it ? I appreciate we can all slip up and be careless, but too many people (and not just to do with COVID either) think rules don't apply to them, or the natural reaction to a rule here isn't "how can I comply with that" its more often "how do I get round that".

I dunno, what's govt to do at the moment ? Going for harsh and strictly enforced rules isn't practical, going for light touch, trust the people, a la Sweden, wouldn't work here. They sort of went for a middle ground of harsh rules but not really policed at all, and hoping enough of the public buy into enough of the rules for long enough to hopefully let the vaccinations get a bit of a head of steam up.

Boggles wrote: »

That's what we are doing.

Kids back to school and the resumption of non covid health care.

They were the goals set out and they have been achieved.

Partially achieved. Most secondary school students are still at home.

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I mean their excess deaths which was a negative for the first time yesterday. Their restrictions while having a roadmap out are still ridiculous. Boris and his bumbling sidekick Hancock are very lucky that their vaccine taskforce have done a good job - but as the feel good factor of people being vaccinated fades - they have questions to answer.

Not for the first time. It happened back in September too.

SnuggyBear wrote: »

All hail the government of Ireland!

The new FF government slogan reads
“Very little done , not much more to come”

Penfailed wrote: »

Not for the first time. It happened back in September too.

you seem hellbent on downplaying the vaccine campaign in the uk. It's about the third post of yours I've seen knocking it. do you think the uks case and death numbers dropping in time with their vaccination programme ramping up are coincidental?

Sick to the teeth of this ongoing comparisons with what other countries are doing, achieving, also this S***** talk about being number this, number that on various graphs comparing numbers to other EU countries. Not that long ago when NPHET telling us we were brilliant, how did that end? Now they are back to the same S****.

Each country is very very different and we can hardly stand tall with our health systems abject failure, most notably the Vaccine Roll out and I'm not just referring to supply, antiquated IT systems, minimal work being done on Sundays and the shocking ineptitude of both Senior HSE management and a hapless "I know best Health Minister"

We are were we are, Vacinnes will eventually reach every cohort, patience, patience, patience is required.

Boggles wrote: »

But most kids are back.

The plan hasn't changed the rest were not due to go back until after Easter.

So again, goals set out, goals achieved.

The majority of children back in education or child care.

Non Covid health care restarted.

A resumption of visits in care facilities, which I think everyone will agree is brilliant.

Vaccine roll out continues and we are approaching Q2 which has always been flagged as when they will be ramped up.

Is this a post defending the gov/NPHET for how they have performed to date?

Russman wrote: »

I totally agree with you here. Likewise I live in the foothills of the Dublin mountains and could probably cycle 100km up there and meet less people than I would on a walk in Marlay Park which is maybe a km from me.
However government can't really legislate for every individual case can it ? If they wanted a distance restriction they had to pick a number, it could have been 2, it could have been 10, they picked 5.
People are on here saying everybody knows at this stage to keep their distance - if thats true, why the F are people not doing it ? I appreciate we can all slip up and be careless, but too many people (and not just to do with COVID either) think rules don't apply to them, or the natural reaction to a rule here isn't "how can I comply with that" its more often "how do I get round that".

I dunno, what's govt to do at the moment ? Going for harsh and strictly enforced rules isn't practical, going for light touch, trust the people, a la Sweden, wouldn't work here. They sort of went for a middle ground of harsh rules but not really policed at all, and hoping enough of the public buy into enough of the rules for long enough to hopefully let the vaccinations get a bit of a head of steam up.

Yep,

This is my point, people are meeting up anyway, people are mixing anyway, its happening so whats the point.

What they could do but refuse to do is come down like a ton of bricks and those actually causing issues rather than those who are causing little harm.

Ill give ye an example, went into my local town last saturday, stopped by the guards, no issues was getting the shopping etc.

In town i drive along by the river and i see a crowd of about 20 young fellas and young ones sitting together by the river, no social distancing, probably drinking (couldnt say for definite)

Done my shopping, drove past going home and again theyre still there. Couple of hours later i was talking to a buddy of mine who was in town later that evening and told me yep, he was stopped etc and again was giving out about the group by the river by his estimation had grown.

So the Guards are sitting on a road outside of town being lied to for a few hours meanwhile its party central in town with not a guard to be seen because theyre out trying to implement a pointless restriction no one is adhering to anyway!! So whats the biggest issue here?

A friend of mine is a guard and told me theyre being hammered in regards to the likes of the 5k restriction and being seen to do it when all other issues are simply being ignored. Raised the issue joking with him about what happened in town (not his area btw, was just slagging him) and he said yep its happening everywhere, as he put it himself "its like standing there guarding the city walls whilst the city burns behind ye"

Riodej1578 wrote: »

Is this a post defending the gov/NPHET for how they have performed to date?

It's factual information about the goals set out in this phase of reopening and which ones have been achieved.

Or would you prefer if we just call politicians and NPHET names?

Boggles wrote: »

Do you think if we were still admitting 100-150 a day into hospitals that sending 700,000 indoors kids plus staff and all the associated outside contacts that would generate would have happened?

Do you think non covid health would have resumed if there was 200 odd people in ICU?

Do you think visitation to care homes would have went ahead if their was no vaccine program for that cohort.

None of those arbitrary, they all measured they are all tied in.

Nope - not measured by any metric other than ‘as low as possible’. Vaccinate all care homes and allow visits should be a lauded decision by those on the big bucks? A child could come up with that policy.