Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JRant

Russman wrote: »

That's a fair point about the pent up demand for services. I don't agree about the panic & restrictions though, I think it would be very reckless (to put it mildly) if any government took the risk and said "ahh sure its just the initial bump after the relaxation, we'll be grand in a couple of weeks". No government would take that kind of risk with its citizens. IMO this thing is seemingly far too virulent now for a "wait and see" approach if its spreading uncontrolled for any substantial length of time. Granted if we had double our ICU capacity we could wait a bit longer, but that's more an argument about the legacy of years of mismanagement.

I'd refer you to the panic jump to level 5 in October when the existing strategy seemed to be working but wasn't given enough time. Then in December we had the crazy situation whereby restrictions were eased and in the same breath people were told that level 5 would be reimposed in a matter of weeks. The government have to take some responsibility for creating the sense of panic many people felt in that time.

growleaves

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Sobit1964

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-angela-merkel-backtracks-on-easter-lockdown-after-uproar/a-56969820

Angela Merkel backtracks on Easter lockdown after uproar
In a turnabout move, German Chancellor Angela Merkel told state premiers in a video call that there would not be a strict lockdown over Easter after all. This follows a day of criticism and confusion in Germany.

The old bat is losing her grip, I did however appreciate this:

"It's now important for me to say so here. A mistake should be called a mistake and above all it should be corrected, preferably in good time," she stressed, asking citizens for forgiveness.

Would be nice to see some of our numptys admit that they got things wrong rather than continually blaming everyone else.

agoodpunt

Merkle reverses her discision to lockdown over easter ask citizens to forgive her, wtf are we at please keep us in lockdown I know many are ignoring it, as its a farce

Shelga

Why can't we fully open the country once everyone over, say, 60, has been fully vaccinated?

BlaktainPicard

Shelga wrote: »

Why can't we fully open the country once everyone over, say, 60, has been fully vaccinated?

Becuase cases will still rise amoungst the young !!

And there is a possibility of scary new variants that could be vaccine resistant.

If you keep going with this logic, we see never ending restrictions.

NIMAN

Shelga wrote: »

Why can't we fully open the country once everyone over, say, 60, has been fully vaccinated?

That's a very good question, and one I asked yesterday, except I said 70.


But 60 would be even safer of course.

Pity no-one can ask nphet this question at one of the press conferences? They seem to be a one way flow of information. Are questions ever asked?

BlaktainPicard

I see new testing centers have been opened across Ireland - can go for a free test even if you are symptom free.

Great ! so the cases will rise, just gives NPHET the excuse to "extend level 5 till October-November ....2022...."

rinse ..... repeat



joke

TonyMaloney

Shelga wrote: »

Why can't we fully open the country once everyone over, say, 60, has been fully vaccinated?

TonyMaloney wrote: »

It's a bit of a mixed bag. Seems to be going great so far in Israel, the leading vaccinator in the world.
So far so good with the UAE, US and UK but much too early to say that they're all out of the woods.

Chile are doing a remarkable job getting vaccines into arms. However things are going very badly. I fear they're shaping up to be an example to the world of not having faith in your vaccines until a critical mass is dosed up.

30% have received a first dose. 16% have gotten their second.
Cases have been rocketing up though, nearing a record level. Deaths are very slowly rising, which is positive of course, but their hospitals are overwhelmed again. Presumably with younger people than in the past.

They've returned to a harsh lockdown, and curfews enforced by the military.

According to wikipedia, only 12.2% of Chile's population are over 65.

Shelga

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

Becuase cases will still rise amoungst the young !!

And there is a possibility of scary new variants that could be vaccine resistant.

If you keep going with this logic, we see never ending restrictions.

I get that, and it's not great, but surely the level of hospitalisations will decrease massively at that point? And isn't that the point of all of these restrictions- to ensure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed?

If we continue to have medium numbers of cases but the impact of those cases is much lower, seriously, why do we have to stay locked up?

I really cannot take much more. I think I'm becoming properly depressed at this stage.

NIMAN

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

I see new testing centers have been opened across Ireland - can go for a free test even if you are symptom free.

Great ! so the cases will rise, just gives NPHET the excuse to "extend level 5 till October-November ....2022...."

rinse ..... repeat



joke

To be fair, if you are feeling bad enough to go for a test, and you turn out to be positive, is it not better knowing?

Rather than having a person walking around in society infecting people.

BlaktainPicard

NIMAN wrote: »

To be fair, if you are feeling bad enough to go for a test, and you turn out to be positive, is it not better knowing?

Rather than having a person walking around in society infecting people.

I agree, but NPHET will use this rise in cases as not by more testing but because of people breaking restrictions - hence more restrictions.

Akesh

What I find amazing, on this forum and on social media, is that a certain portion of the Irish population have been duped into thinking Covid-19 is the black death or ebola.

This isn't based on logic, reason or science but purely on hysteria.

BlaktainPicard

Akesh wrote: »

What I find amazing, on this forum and on social media, is that a certain portion of the Irish population have been duped into thinking Covid-19 is the black death or ebola.

This isn't based on logic, reason or science but purely on hysteria.

Exactly, this was forgiveable a year ago when we knew f*ck all and thought the IFR was 10X worse.

No excuse for this now.

muddypuppy

Sobit1964 wrote: »

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-angela-merkel-backtracks-on-easter-lockdown-after-uproar/a-56969820



The old bat is losing her grip, I did however appreciate this:



Would be nice to see some of our numptys admit that they got things wrong rather than continually blaming everyone else.

I think the backtrack is only on the harsher lockdown from 1-5 of April, were even grocery stores would have to close (hope you have food in your pantry!), not on extending the current restriction until the 18th of April.
By the way, two households were still going to be allowed to meet even during the harsh lockdown :pac:

BlaktainPicard

Niall Boylan has a guest on now, speaking sense.

TonyMaloney

Ebola?

ffs lads

Ebola had a very high CFR, but also **** all cases. It's far less transmissible, therefore a far less serious virus/disease.
It never had the potential to kill anywhere near the amount of people as covid.

This is schoolboy stuff.

Whatsisname

Akesh wrote: »

What I find amazing, on this forum and on social media, is that a certain portion of the Irish population have been duped into thinking Covid-19 is the black death or ebola.

This isn't based on logic, reason or science but purely on hysteria.

Whats worse is I'm starting to see more and more people I know on social media begin to question things, but rather than, "hmm, maybe this isn't working anymore?", it's turned to "if we just did a PROPER lockdown..."

I despair.

BlaktainPicard

Whatsisname wrote: »

Whats worse is I'm starting to see more and more people I know on social media begin to question things, but rather than, "hmm, maybe this isn't working anymore?", it's turned to "if we just did a PROPER lockdown..."

I despair.

The definition of insanity, trying the same thing over and over even though it doesn't work.

JMNolan

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

Niall Boylan has a guest on now, speaking sense.

Our ex-taniste Michael McDowell. He had an article in the irish times today on the topic https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/michael-mcdowell-can-someone-please-tell-me-what-the-covid-plan-is-1.4518172

agoodpunt

Shelga wrote: »

Why can't we fully open the country once everyone over, say, 60, has been fully vaccinated?

Numbers dont matter bloody hell, we or they keep moving the goal posts to stay in lockdown.
Dont live there anymore I live in almost pre covid it is possible not in Ireland I feel sorry for those who are not PS and want to open there businesses

normanoffside

agoodpunt wrote: »

Merkle reverses her discision to lockdown over easter ask citizens to forgive her, wtf are we at please keep us in lockdown I know many are ignoring it, as its a farce

In the Irish press, the only Merkel story is her imposing lockdown over Easter (reported yesterday).
The UK and European press has the stories of her reversing the decision as their top Merkel story,

OwenM

Boggles wrote: »

So basically if we had just ignored the pandemic the health service and economy would have been grand?

Disingenuous drivel as usual.

Balance is required and if anyone wanted evidence that the balance is wrong it's the news from last night that the HSE don't plan to resume cancer screening (as an example) until the end of the year.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

In the Irish press, the only Merkel story is her imposing lockdown over Easter (reported yesterday).
The UK and European press has the stories of her reversing the decision as their top Merkel story,

OK, I'll take it back, RTE are reporting it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205775-coronavirus-global/

Flyer1

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Ebola?

ffs lads

Ebola had a very high CFR, but also **** all cases. It's far less transmissible, therefore a far less serious virus/disease.
It never had the potential to kill anywhere near the amount of people as covid.

This is schoolboy stuff.

And the 99% + survival rate of COVID is dangerous ?

I'm mostly a lurker on these forums with the odd post but you are difficult reading.

TonyMaloney

normanoffside wrote: »

In the Irish press, the only Merkel story is her imposing lockdown over Easter (reported yesterday).
The UK and European press has the stories of her reversing the decision as their top Merkel story,

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0324/1205775-coronavirus-global/

Timmy O Toole

Akesh wrote: »

What I find amazing, on this forum and on social media, is that a certain portion of the Irish population have been duped into thinking Covid-19 is the black death or ebola.

This isn't based on logic, reason or science but purely on hysteria.

This time last year we were seen videos from China of people dropping dead in the street or on public transport from Corona. We had professors on RTE telling us to expect 60,000 deaths in 6 months.

People can't or won't admit they've been fooled massively

FintanMcluskey

JMNolan wrote: »

Our ex-taniste Michael McDowell. He had an article in the irish times today on the topic https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/michael-mcdowell-can-someone-please-tell-me-what-the-covid-plan-is-1.4518172

May democracy RIP

Since we conveniently abolished the Dáil Covid committee chaired by Independent TD Michael McNamara there is little or no chance of getting real answers to any of the foregoing questions

BlaktainPicard

BlaktainPicard wrote: »

I see new testing centers have been opened across Ireland - can go for a free test even if you are symptom free.

Great ! so the cases will rise, just gives NPHET the excuse to "extend level 5 till October-November ....2022...."

rinse ..... repeat



joke

Yep, thats exactly why there are doing it. They want the country locked down forever because............

jusvi2001

So the 'experts' are meeting up on Monday to discuss lockdown measures after 5th April. 5 km could be extended to 10 km or 20 km. after 3 months of harsh lockdown this would be hell a lot of relaxation where people can travel upto 10 km or 20 km. lock down cost the country so far 10 billion and many more billions to come. even if they spend 1 billion in the health sector we would have more hospital beds by now. hope this time they will consider people's mental health, delay in getting diagnosis and treatment for non covid related illness, huge economic impact and job loss.

Hope it won't be a disaster as last time where Michael Martin has nothing to share with public.

https://extra.ie/2021/03/24/news/irish-news/exclusive-nphet-delay-crucial-meeting-to-discuss-national-restrictions