What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

BonnieSituation · 23-03-2021 02:18PM

mick087 wrote: »

Lucky you.

If i had of gotten this jab I would not be criticizing the jab that might well save me from death

Your very lucky you have gotten the jab.

So you don't think AZ are worthy of criticism?

mick087 · 23-03-2021 02:20PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Presenting people unhappy with AZs performance as people unwilling to take an AZ vaccine is disingenuous at best, trolling at worse.

No its not trolling and its not disingenuous.
These people who don't wish to take the vaccine should move out the way and let us who wish to take the vaccine take it.

There is enough information out there for people to decide.

BonnieSituation · 23-03-2021 02:21PM

Bambi wrote: »

If you don't mind answering a personal question, what tier are you in?

I do mind. I was the last of my cohort to be vaccinated. They all got Pfizer in January. That's about all you need to know.

Pete_Cavan · 23-03-2021 02:25PM

mick087 wrote: »

No its not trolling and its not disingenuous.
These people who don't wish to take the vaccine should move out the way and let us who wish to take the vaccine take it.

There is enough information out there for people to decide.

But none of the people you are saying should move out of the way have said that they don't wish to take the vaccine. You are trying to equate being unhappy with the performance of AZ in producing vaccines with not being willing to take a vaccine. That is incredibly disingenuous.

Tippbhoy1 · 23-03-2021 02:33PM

Bambi wrote: »

Bare faced lie, eh?

EU has ‘absolutely no need’ of Sputnik V vaccine, commissioner says

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/eu-has-absolutely-no-need-of-sputnik-v-vaccine-commissioner-says/

It's fairly obvious the EU has dragging its heels on approving Sputnik for entirely political reasons, just as the Russians are offering it to them for entirely political reasons.

Of course, if the EUs vaccine rollout wasnt a complete shambles the Russians would have no angle to embarass them. Meanwhile its us lot who get shafted while the poor craturs on here have to make excuses for their betters in Brussels

Speaking of Brussels, hows that dispute resolution mechanism against AZ coming along? Still under consideration, along wth blocking exports? The Commision are fairly slow with that front too, almost like they know they havent got a leg to stand on

Still, its election year in Germany so I'm sure the bould Ursula will have her eye on that while making decisions for the entire continent

The dispute mechanism with AZ is a pointless exercise that just has to be gone through, AZ couldn’t change anything substantially even if they wanted to.

Decision on blocking exports is a European council decision, happening later this week. All countries get together and make a vote on it. Hopefully they decide to stop carrying non EU countries and put EU citizens first. If you consider the EU rollout a shambles you agree with the approach I am assuming as you are comparing a baseline against others who have done the same.

mick087 · 23-03-2021 02:44PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So you don't think AZ are worthy of criticism?

Of course they are and if your not happy don't take it all the info is out there.

So why did you take this vaccine?

Red Silurian · 23-03-2021 02:48PM

Some good news today

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said it hopes to be able to approve the Russian Sputnik V vaccine for use in Europe's vaccine roll-out and they are also evaluating the Novax and CureVac vaccines. No actual date given but knowing the EMA we should have them before Christmas 2022 right?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205630-coronavirus-vaccine-europe/

BonnieSituation · 23-03-2021 02:50PM

mick087 wrote: »

Of course they are and if your not happy don't take it all the info is out there.

So why did you take this vaccine?

You have quite a warped way of debating and discussing this matter with everyone on this thread.

Truth be told, I took the vaccine so you wouldn't get one.

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Honestly, how can you not separate these two matters out?

Strazdas · 23-03-2021 02:55PM

mick087 wrote: »

Look over the pond, there is all the evidence you need to see if this vaccine works.

If you don't wish to take it then that is ok.

But let the right people know when your turn comes to taking it that don't wish to take this vaccine.
This could and will save time and allow those who do wish to take it take it.

I think you may have misread my post. I said I would take the AZ vaccine if offered it, not reject it.

mick087 · 23-03-2021 02:55PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

But none of the people you are saying should move out of the way have said that they don't wish to take the vaccine. You are trying to equate being unhappy with the performance of AZ in producing vaccines with not being willing to take a vaccine. That is incredibly disingenuous.

You seem to be suggesting that we should be able to pick and choose what vaccine we can take.

This Vaccine is good its an excellent vaccine and if you refuse or don't wish to take it that's fine.

When everyone is vaccinated then those who wish to choose what vaccine they would like could come back then.
What is even more dangerous is all this scaremongering about this vaccine.

RobMc59 · 23-03-2021 02:59PM

mick087 wrote: »

Of course they are and if your not happy don't take it all the info is out there.

So why did you take this vaccine?

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

mick087 · 23-03-2021 02:59PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I think you may have misread my post. I said I would take the AZ vaccine if offered it, not reject it.

I stand corrected and i apologize.

mick087 · 23-03-2021 03:03PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

The vaccine will and has saved many lives.

I'm guessing some posters have no interest in the actual vaccine but may have another agenda at the root of there posts.

Pete_Cavan · 23-03-2021 03:14PM

mick087 wrote: »

You seem to be suggesting that we should be able to pick and choose what vaccine we can take.

This Vaccine is good its an excellent vaccine and if you refuse or don't wish to take it that's fine.

When everyone is vaccinated then those who wish to choose what vaccine they would like could come back then.
What is even more dangerous is all this scaremongering about this vaccine.

Can you provide a quote which leads you to think that I am suggesting that people should be able to pick and choose what vaccine they take? You seem to be reading things which nobody is posting.

BonnieSituation · 23-03-2021 03:16PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

You'll do anything to shoehorn your withering Unionism into everything won't you?

Again, anyone who can't see that AZ have been acting the príck at this point are purely unwilling to see it and have their own agendas.

See, we can all play the "agenda" game.

23-03-2021 03:25PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You'll do anything to shoehorn your withering Unionism into everything won't you?

you do love assigning labels to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Strazdas · 23-03-2021 03:27PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

But a key thing is that AZ is not seen as a 'British' vaccine outside the UK. Even I in Ireland who watch the British news all the time think of it simply as "a vaccine". The English tabloids and their readers are convinced this is all to do with Brexit, when nobody outside that circle is making that connection.

Deciding whether to take AZ or not based on your attitude to Brexit would be bonkers anyway.

deeperlearning · 23-03-2021 03:36PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

Damn Yanks!!

'AstraZeneca vaccine faces another setback after NIH board questions trial data'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

TobyHolmes · 23-03-2021 03:36PM

deeperlearning wrote: »

Damn Yanks!!

'AstraZeneca vaccine faces another setback after NIH board questions trial data'
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

smart. they found the holes which europe didnt.

23-03-2021 03:41PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

His zero sum game head just exploded

Tho my question remains why would an ultra nationalist like Putin prioritise exports of Sputnik instead of vaccinating his people first? Is there even a vaccination program in Russia, they spent so long denying they had Covid running rampant and then holding doctors jumping from balconies Olympic Games

They won't be exporting it. They will licence it for production in the EU.

TobyHolmes · 23-03-2021 03:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They won't be exporting it. They will licence it for production in the EU.

interesting....

23-03-2021 03:56PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But a key thing is that AZ is not seen as a 'British' vaccine outside the UK of Board.ie.

Fixed that for you.

Pete_Cavan · 23-03-2021 05:44PM

Aegir wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Can the BioNTech vaccine which was developed in Germany, by a German company with EU funding be considered an EU vaccine or does that logic only apply to things which can be claimed as British?

mick087 · 23-03-2021 05:55PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Can you provide a quote which leads you to think that I am suggesting that people should be able to pick and choose what vaccine they take? You seem to be reading things which nobody is posting.

I accept they have not actually said they will not take the vaccine.

Hobgoblin11 · 23-03-2021 06:01PM

I want to take the covid 19 Vaccine before its too late, is there any way to get it faster?

BonnieSituation · 23-03-2021 06:09PM

Aegir wrote: »

you do love assigning labels to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Wait? Are you saying I'm incorrect to call self-identified unionist RobMc59, a unionist?

JTMan · 23-03-2021 06:16PM

Top US experts seem really annoyed at AZ for getting their efficacy data wrong and being so slow to fix it.

AZ either mislead the FDA or made a gross cock up.

It is "apparent breach of integrity" says Eric Topol.

Also, Eric Topol wonders where Oxford University are, their partner, in addressing these messes.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1374366597171671048

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1374389008646557705

23-03-2021 07:04PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Wait? Are you saying I'm incorrect to call self-identified unionist RobMc59, a unionist?

I couldn’t say if you are right or wrong.

I can say that putting labels on someone is petty and completely pointless.

NeuralNetwork · 23-03-2021 07:08PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But a key thing is that AZ is not seen as a 'British' vaccine outside the UK. Even I in Ireland who watch the British news all the time think of it simply as "a vaccine". The English tabloids and their readers are convinced this is all to do with Brexit, when nobody outside that circle is making that connection.

Deciding whether to take AZ or not based on your attitude to Brexit would be bonkers anyway.

The British tabloids think everything is about Brexit. It's actually coming across like some kind of national psychosis at this stage and it has completely muddied the water around this AstraZeneca issue.

We should be getting to the bottom of what is going on with the supply chain, not taking insult at someone daring to question a multinational company that has somehow been given national treasure status.

Their vaccine programme has gotten off to a great start and that's great for them and has impact on us too as they'd a huge and largely out of control outbreak which now will hopefully be reigned in.

However, turning this into some kind of football match between En-ger-land and Yurp or an imaginary tabloid fight is really not helping anyone.

murphaph · 23-03-2021 07:11PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

Unfortunately,there are some who will always look to find fault,even though the AZ vaccine will hopefully save many lives around the world,there are a bunch who can't stomach the fact that the vaccine is a UK development.

I would classify it as an international development. An international team of researchers based in the Jenner Institute (which was mostly EU funded up until end of 2020 and whose management were publicly asking where future funding would come from after Brexit kicked in) building on genome sequencing of the virus carried out by the Chinese and building on other research previously carried out by Merck. I know the flag shaggers wanted to slap a union flag on every dose but it would have been very disrespectful to the very many international contributors to the vaccine, people like Teresa Lambe from Kilcullen, for example.

Absolutely no disrespect to the many British scientists involved intended. They would also probably find it quite disrespectful to claim it as a solely British development as this would disenfranchise their non-British friends and colleagues who contributed just as much.

The same goes for other vaccines. Few, if any western vaccines will have been developed in complete isolation, without sharing ideas around the world.

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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