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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #9092
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Because say the vaccine is 90 percent effective and you have 10 close contacts but without the vaccine you have 1 close contact It is effectively the same and still spreads hence still a need for mask wearing to try and stop new variants etc the problem is that its pie on the sky stuff that our crowd are trying to achieve here.

    But did you not see the next sentence where we have real world data of a highly vaccinated country losening restrictions and case numbers dropping?


  • #9093
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Milanative wrote: »
    Either close the schools or shut up about cases going upwards cause you can't have both, quite frankly I doubt anyone even cares if it hits a thousand cases a day at this point, they've no plan so fuk em

    Bad boy Yardie :D


  • #9094
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Deleted User wrote: »
    With bigger numbers in Dublin, I wonder how much the 5Km restriction is actually contributing. People closer together etc.

    Without the restriction they would be able to go to a big open area like a park/beach etc

    Perhaps. All three lockdowns have worked really well in Cork. Maybe there is something about the rules that works well here but not in the more densely populated Dublin?


  • #9095
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    11521323 wrote: »
    Plenty of "qualified" individuals who would agree. You can cherry pick someone with a certain education level who carries the same opinion if you look hard enough, regardless of the opinion.
    Don't appeal to authority because when presented with an individual who agrees who meets your educational standard, the goalposts will shift.

    I wasn't looking for a 'qualified individual"

    Rather hard data on which the OPs idea is based. As opposed to pulled out of a hat or whatever.

    But thanks for the lecture :rolleyes:


  • #9096
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Perhaps. All three lockdowns have worked really well in Cork. Maybe there is something about the rules that works well here but not in the more densely populated Dublin?

    By an Irish standard, the Cork City metro area, where the majority of the population of Cork live is densely populated, not as much as Dublin but far more so than worse affected counties like Kildare, Offaly, Meath and Donegal. It could be that Cork City is (still) relatively isolated from the rest of the country, even areas tha we consider remote like Donegal actually have a lot of cross border reliance on Derry. Cork would be much more self contained.


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  • #9097
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Well you are neighbours with a very similar per capita covid numbers.

    Last year we saw some benefit from laois offaly kildare lockdown but Dublin restrictions were next to worthless (as there too intercounty much travel). Cork might be a county where there is not as much intercountry travel (as travel would mainly be from county Cork to Cork City) but I would be happier doing regions of more than one county bundled together.

    Laois, Offaly and Kildare would be comfortably swallowed by county Cork. Naturally the majority of activity is around Cork City and the vast majority of journeys are intra-county. For example, a journey from Cork City to Beara in west Cork is roughly the same as Dublin to Athlone.

    I'm not trying to claim Cork is a special case, but it does seem like a prime candidate to actually work on that basis.


  • #9098
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 342 (down from 366 last night)
    ICU 80 (no change)

    Last Monday
    Total 336
    ICU 85


  • #9099
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    11521323 wrote: »
    What's hilarious is that most people think you can't extract correct conclusions from papers unless you've a doctorate. I expect that's what the previous poster will respond with.

    Nope. Just a simple question asking what data the conclusions were drawn from - not if the poster had a 'doctorate"

    But noooo let's put the boot in :rolleyes:

    Hilarious.


  • #9100
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 342 (down from 366 last night)
    ICU 80 (no change)

    Last Monday
    Total 336
    ICU 85

    Would some of these people be in hospital regardless of Covid?

    Like say someone went in for a hernia operation, appendix removal, broken bone, giving birth and tested positive but is not sick from Covid would this be included in these numbers?

    No trying to be smart or cause an uproar here, just curious.


  • #9101
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,785 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    Would some of these people be in hospital regardless of Covid?

    Like say someone went in for a hernia operation, appendix removal, broken bone, giving birth and tested positive but is not sick from Covid would this be included in these numbers?

    No trying to be smart or cause an uproar here, just curious.

    No , can see you are not trying to be smart ....

    Yes , but they mostly would be sent home asap . So not having the effect on numbers that you are thinking .

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  • #9102
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    Would some of these people be in hospital regardless of Covid?

    Like say someone went in for a hernia operation, appendix removal, broken bone, giving birth and tested positive but is not sick from Covid would this be included in these numbers?

    No trying to be smart or cause an uproar here, just curious.

    They would be - but doubt that accounts for too many.


  • #9103
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 342 (down from 366 last night)
    ICU 80 (no change)

    Last Monday
    Total 336
    ICU 85


    Hmmm

    First week on week (Monday to Monday) hospital case increase in ages I think?


  • #9104
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,785 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    I think things have become stagnant and there is a lack of leadership and we're living like zombies.

    I think they need to mix it up for April and try something new.

    Scrap the 5km rule. Allow travel within your county.
    Open retail click and collect.
    Open barbers and hairdressers by appointment only, the amount of lads I see with properly done haircuts its happening in the barbers home as it is. At least masks would be worn etc, even double wrap masks as a condition..ha

    Last one is controversial but I'd go with it if it allowed the things above. An 8pm curfew. Its not that I want that I'm just trying to be realistic with how this situation is being run. I'd rather that than what we currently have.

    While I would have agreed with everything you said two days ago ,after hearing the words " possibility of exponential growth" from deGascun tonight I'd say the chances of getting a decent haircut in a proper establishment in the next month is zero, unfortunately:/.

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  • #9105
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,250 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I don't really get the curfew thing. If anything countries with curfews in place seem to be doing worse than us on the suppression front.


  • #9106
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    How come nobody is questioning Glynn on his outdoor summer comments. It's not the first time he's made it. Absolute rubbish and he shouldn't be stating it as fact, at the of the day its a government decision as cowardly and all as they are.


  • #9107
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    Would some of these people be in hospital regardless of Covid?

    Like say someone went in for a hernia operation, appendix removal, broken bone, giving birth and tested positive but is not sick from Covid would this be included in these numbers?

    No trying to be smart or cause an uproar here, just curious.

    In my wife's hospital, cases among patients primarily in for reasons other than Covid had historically accounted for a fair amount. But in recent weeks she has said this is not the case. Probably the effects of vaccinations so it's not spreading as much.


  • #9108
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Stark wrote: »
    I don't really get the curfew thing. If anything countries with curfews in place seem to be doing worse than us on the suppression front.

    There won't be a curfew in any way, shape or form. It would be utterly unenforceable and would be treated with the contempt it would deserve by most. IMO :)


  • #9109
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Hmmm

    First week on week (Monday to Monday) hospital case increase in ages I think?

    Easily.

    Two Mondays ago
    Total 392
    ICU 101


    Friday 12th March total of 331 was the end of the consistent downward slide which started with the drop to 1,911 total on 18th January. Been bouncing around 340-350 average since then.

    ICU has continued to trend slowly downwards, now back to levels last at Jan 5th/6th.


  • #9110
    Gremlinertia
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 61,937 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    11521323 and gozunda, quit sniping at each other


  • #9111
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Easily.

    Two Mondays ago
    Total 392
    ICU 101


    Friday 12th March total of 331 was the end of the consistent downward slide which started with the drop to 1,911 total on 18th January. Been bouncing around 340-350 average since then.

    ICU has continued to trend slowly downwards, now back to levels last at Jan 5th/6th.
    Here's hoping it goes back to a downward trend. The fact it's reduced overnight is a good sign. We know the weekends produce a lag, so the next few days will be telling.


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  • #9112
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,785 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Perhaps. All three lockdowns have worked really well in Cork. Maybe there is something about the rules that works well here but not in the more densely populated Dublin?

    That is what I was saying yesterday .
    It's silly expecting there not to be crowded spaces in a city/ county with the density of Dublin and everyone milling around the same spaces .
    Travel restrictions should be based on a county population basis eg people in Dublin could travel further to excercise than someone in Sligo? Just examples ;)

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  • #9113
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    In my wife's hospital, cases among patients primarily in for reasons other than Covid had historically accounted for a fair amount. But in recent weeks she has said this is not the case. Probably the effects of vaccinations so it's not spreading as much.

    A quick look on google says 15-20%, presumably anybody going in for an arranged procedure will be pre vaccinated fairly soon, along with vaccinated staff, so it won't be as much of an issue.


  • #9114
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    covidrelease wrote: »
    You accepted yourself outdoor is safer than indoor. People gathering indoors is happening, and in increasing numbers, whether people want to believe it or not.

    The UK are in a very different position to us ref. vaccines.

    If we were in their position right now people would be happy enough to wait another few weeks.

    I am all for opening outdoors, on a phased basis, a lot more, but with good control measures.

    The current policy of everybody getting on with it indoors is failing.

    Not quite. What I said was that that people meeting up both inside and outside has significant issues with regard to proximity and close contact. And if people chose to meet up then inside could potentially be worse.

    Btw I'm not convinced either is a good idea atm
    And I know you say that is happening - but I'm not sure officially sanctioning outside meet ups would have any significant impact on those already choosing to ignore the restrictions.

    The potential damage here of not waiting for vaccination is much greater than it would be in the UK atm. With a increased chance that our case numbers will climb ditto hospital and ICU numbers.

    I agree that the UK are in a very different position to us ref. vaccines. But I think that should give us more reasons to be concerned about throwing caution to the wind and opening up with regard to people getting together even with control measures.


  • #9115
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    Did they seriously wheel out the "new virus" soundbite again?

    Why don't we tell the UK about this new virus, considering they had their smallest number of deaths in 6 months today?

    Yet ANOTHER example of abysmal communication from our "leaders"

    Clowns

    I hope they informed the WHO about this new virus. Do we call it covid 21 or is it one of Simon Harris lost ones.


  • #9116
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    covidrelease wrote: »
    A quick look on google says 15-20%, presumably anybody going in for an arranged procedure will be pre vaccinated fairly soon, along with vaccinated staff, so it won't be as much of an issue.


    15-20% of all Irish Covid cases are hospital acquired? As in, the person didn't have it before they went in?

    How recent are those figures/which Wave is it talking about?

    I'd love a link to read more on what you found, as there's so much mixed information out there on this side of things


  • #9117
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Ireland's President and wife get their first jab





    C16KEXH.jpeg


  • #9118
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not quite. What I said was that that people meeting up both inside and outside has significant issues with regard to proximity and close contact. And if people chose to meet up then inside could potentially be worse.

    Btw I'm not convinced either is a good idea atm
    And I know you say that is happening - but I'm not sure officially sanctioning outside meet ups would have any significant impact on those already choosing to ignore the restrictions.

    The potential damage here of not waiting for vaccination is much greater than it would be in the UK atm. With a increased chance that our case numbers will climb ditto hospital and ICU numbers.

    I agree that the UK are in a very different position to us ref. vaccines. But I think that should give us more reasons to be concerned about throwing caution to the wind and opening up with regard to people getting together even with control measures.

    I think you are on your own with that, from 100000 people on Bournemouth beach to 40 people involved in the Ireland - France rugby match, and all the expert opinions, I don't think there is any argument that outdoors is significantly safer than indoors.


  • #9119
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    covidrelease wrote: »
    I think you are on your own with that, from 100000 people on Bournemouth beach to 40 people involved in the Ireland - France rugby match, and all the expert opinions, I don't think there is any argument that outdoors is significantly safer than indoors.

    Not particularly. To take an example all such gatherings are banned in the UK atm for the reason they are believed to carry the risk of infection. But afaik not so much from being outside rather people using shared facilities and the issue of large crowds not being able to observe social distancing.

    That said the bigger issue imo is that people meeting up outside is not going to change the behaviour of those already breaking the restrictions in meeting up in groups inside.

    When was there 100000 people on Bournemouth beach btw?

    The Ireland France Rugby match had significant isolation and controls for all those involved. Not comparable to a bunch of people meeting up for the crack.


  • #9120
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    15-20% of all Irish Covid cases are hospital acquired? As in, the person didn't have it before they went in?

    How recent are those figures/which Wave is it talking about?

    I'd love a link to read more on what you found, as there's so much mixed information out there on this side of things

    Someone had the January figure for covid cases acquired in hospital on here the other day. Was higher than I expected. Can’t recall the exact number though


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  • #9121
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Ireland's President and wife get their first jab





    C16KEXH.jpeg

    My mother is over 80 now. Still no jab. Not being done in her local GP. They said she should hear in next couple of weeks. Higgins is not 80 yet, so it shouldn't be "his turn" yet!


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