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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #9062
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,748 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I can never figure this one out

    Israel is open with 114 doses per 100. Which is roughly 60% double dosed and 50% single dosed. They’ve been open with weeks and the R0 continues to drop, down to 0.6 now. The key metrics are dropping too.

    We are expecting to be ~130 doses per 100 by June end (including Janssen twice to equivocate). If we are like Israel now then, why the **** would it be “years” before normality? What changes over the “years”??


  • #9063
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    No message for people with no more to give? What exactly does she mean by that? What does she want government to do, when the crisis is led by the millions of small individual decisions by people? This really is just a whinge, and whining solves nothing.

    The choice is ours. We either do the distancing, rules and regulations and try and get it suppressed to get back to life sooner or we can accept that the restrictions will remain in place until the vaccine rollout has reached a critical mass

    Critical mass is not achievable! Will we just lockdown forever?


  • #9064
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    NHPET have no risk tolerance really. They are like asking your doctor is it ok to have 6 pints every Friday. They'll never say it's ok, only point to the risks. Government have to govern, and balance things. By the way, where is Donnelly this last few weeks?


  • #9065
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,836 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    NHPET have no risk tolerance really. They are like asking your doctor is it ok to have 6 pints every Friday. They'll never say it's ok, only point to the risks. Government have to govern, and balance things. By the way, where is Donnelly this last few weeks?

    The narcissist is probably away writing his autobiography


  • #9066
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    marno21 wrote: »
    I can never figure this one out

    Israel is open with 114 doses per 100. Which is roughly 60% double dosed and 50% single dosed. They’ve been open with weeks and the R0 continues to drop, down to 0.6 now. The key metrics are dropping too.

    We are expecting to be ~130 doses per 100 by June end (including Janssen twice to equivocate). If we are like Israel now then, why the **** would it be “years” before normality? What changes over the “years”??

    Because say the vaccine is 90 percent effective and you have 10 close contacts but without the vaccine you have 1 close contact It is effectively the same and still spreads hence still a need for mask wearing to try and stop new variants etc the problem is that its pie on the sky stuff that our crowd are trying to achieve here.


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  • #9067
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Where is Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly?


  • #9068
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    I think regional restrictions are the way to go, to be honest. Cork for example shouldn't have blanket level 5 restrictions, IMO.

    People (NPHET included) must also think about risk. A year on, we know this virus isn't as nightmarish as once feared. We know what we can do to help protect ourselves.


  • #9069
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    I think regional restrictions are the way to go, to be honest. Cork for example shouldn't have blanket level 5 restrictions, IMO.

    People (NPHET included) must also think about risk. A year on, we know this virus isn't as nightmarish as once feared. We know what we can do to help protect ourselves.

    A county is too small for regional restrictions imo.

    Cork and Kerry together might fit a region. Not sure.


  • #9070
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    A county is too small for regional restrictions imo.

    Cork and Kerry together might fit a region. Not sure.


    Ah yeah, lump us in with the Kerry people :eek::eek::pac::pac:


  • #9071
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    NHPET have no risk tolerance really. They are like asking your doctor is it ok to have 6 pints every Friday. They'll never say it's ok, only point to the risks. Government have to govern, and balance things. By the way, where is Donnelly this last few weeks?

    NPHET are deeply concerned by the rising incident levels across the community of 6 pints on a Friday.


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  • #9072
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    When I mentioned the damage the EU was doing re: the UK-Oxford vaccine, I was wholly dismissed.

    Now, we are seeing the real term consequences of the disastrous political decision many EU countries / and the EU itself, have taken -- and just because it was the UK-Oxford vaccine.

    (AZ-Oxford reported 19 thromboembolic events; Pfizer reported 18 over the same period - yet one gets the headlines by the EU, and the other doesn't).

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1373912188520382464


  • #9073
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Ah yeah, lump us in with the Kerry people :eek::eek::pac::pac:

    Well you are neighbours with a very similar per capita covid numbers.

    Last year we saw some benefit from laois offaly kildare lockdown but Dublin restrictions were next to worthless (as there too intercounty much travel). Cork might be a county where there is not as much intercountry travel (as travel would mainly be from county Cork to Cork City) but I would be happier doing regions of more than one county bundled together.


  • #9074
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,240 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where is Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly?

    Do you want a personal call from Martin? He did a radio interview today


  • #9075
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,240 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    11521323 wrote: »
    Are you still here? Relentlessly parroting your incoherent rumblings that are totally devoid of any sense of reality. Good to see, carry on.

    And good to see you joined us after a multi year hiatus.:rolleyes:


  • #9076
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    I think things have become stagnant and there is a lack of leadership and we're living like zombies.

    I think they need to mix it up for April and try something new.

    Scrap the 5km rule. Allow travel within your county.
    Open retail click and collect.
    Open barbers and hairdressers by appointment only, the amount of lads I see with properly done haircuts its happening in the barbers home as it is. At least masks would be worn etc, even double wrap masks as a condition..ha

    Last one is controversial but I'd go with it if it allowed the things above. An 8pm curfew. Its not that I want that I'm just trying to be realistic with how this situation is being run. I'd rather that than what we currently have.


  • #9077
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    A county is too small for regional restrictions imo.

    Cork and Kerry together might fit a region. Not sure.

    Do it by province, open up Munster.
    They'll never do it though...


  • #9078
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    I think things have become stagnant and there is a lack of leadership and we're living like zombies.

    I think they need to mix it up for April and try something new.

    Scrap the 5km rule. Allow travel within your county.
    Open retail click and collect.
    Open barbers and hairdressers by appointment only, the amount of lads I see with properly done haircuts its happening in the barbers home as it is. At least masks would be worn etc, even double wrap masks as a condition..ha

    Last one is controversial but I'd go with it if it allowed the things above. An 8pm curfew. Its not that I want that I'm just trying to be realistic with how this situation is being run. I'd rather that than what we currently have.

    A curfew would make life awful for people who work 9-6. Make dinner and then hardly any time to get out for a walk or run, for no reason. Feel even more imprisoned and house bound. The only reason it would be effective I assume is in order to prevent dinner parties/house parties. Well mobility data shows this is not happening to any great extent so it would be overkill. It's no surprise really, most adults refrain from large house gatherings out of genuine concern or because they probably know well a neigbour could call the guards on them if they spotted it. And most parents would probably discourage their kids from having many friends over indoors in case of the embarrassment of there being an outbreak at their house.


  • #9079
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,463 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1374110600087883779?s=20

    5k limit possibly being scrapped completely on the 5th.


  • #9080
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines

    I keep saying it but Ronan Glynn and our government will not dictate. We are simply not going to have a situation in June where there are nightclubs open everywhere up North while we sit outside the local pub. Not going to be accepted by businesses first of all and the public 2nd.


  • #9081
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1374110600087883779?s=20

    5k limit possibly being scrapped completely on the 5th.

    would make more sense - no 5km limit, but restrictions on how many people you can meet.


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  • #9082
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1374110600087883779?s=20

    5k limit possibly being scrapped completely on the 5th.

    So going by that I can only chat to my neighbour if we go for a walk around the estate, not over the fence in front garden!


  • #9083
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,251 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    prunudo wrote: »
    So going by that I can only chat to my neighbour if we go for a walk around the estate, not over the fence in front garden!

    I wouldn't take it that literally.


  • #9084
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where is Michael Martin and Stephen Donnelly?


    Absolute cowards both

    I'm normally apathetic with politicians, but I loathe Donnelly on a visceral level

    So much arrogance inside a little boy completely and utterly out of his depth


  • #9085
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    would make more sense - no 5km limit, but restrictions on how many people you can meet.

    So you can travel anywhere, down the country, providing you remain outside?..


  • #9086
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Stark wrote: »
    I wouldn't take it that literally.

    Believe me, I won't be paying much heed to their next list of rules.


  • #9087
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    A curfew would make life awful for people who work 9-6. Make dinner and then hardly any time to get out for a walk or run, for no reason. Feel even more imprisoned and house bound. The only reason it would be effective I assume is in order to prevent dinner parties/house parties. Well mobility data shows this is not happening to any great extent so it would be overkill. It's no surprise really, most adults refrain from large house gatherings out of genuine concern or because they probably know well a neigbour could call the guards on them if they spotted it. And most parents would probably discourage their kids from having many friends over indoors in case of the embarrassment of there being an outbreak at their house.

    The curfew would be a pain for me because it's at night I would head out mostly.


  • #9088
    Messi19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Messi19


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1374110600087883779?s=20

    5k limit possibly being scrapped completely on the 5th.

    We're only still under the 5k limit because the government has hamstrung itself with the rent/eviction freeze


  • #9089
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Absolute cowards both

    I'm normally apathetic with politicians, but I loathe Donnelly on a visceral level

    So much arrogance inside a little boy completely and utterly out of his depth

    Stephen Donnelly is Michael Martin with less hair.

    Both evasive.
    Both love power and position.
    Both smirk and are arrogant.
    Both care nothing for ordinary people.
    Both disappear in times of national crisis.


  • #9090
    Elessar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    So you can travel anywhere, down the country, providing you remain outside?..

    It will still be 'within county' most likely. That's probably the best we can hope for.


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  • #9091
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,251 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    So you can travel anywhere, down the country, providing you remain outside?..

    Sounds too good to be true tbh. But it is promising that they're at least starting to think in terms of focusing on the number of people that a person is meeting and not "magic distance from house limit keeps you safe". Even if that message trickles through to the public. The amount of people who seem to think you can do what you like as long as you're within magic 5km shield of protection but anyone venturing outside for a walk in the fresh air is demon spawn.


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