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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    With bigger numbers in Dublin, I wonder how much the 5Km restriction is actually contributing. People closer together etc.

    Without the restriction they would be able to go to a big open area like a park/beach etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Only 2.1% of hospital admissions are under 45 years?

    If that's the case, then surely 80% of cases today < 45 years is a positive thing (pardon the pun).

    Sure, they have the capacity to spread it to the older generation but this is not necessarily guaranteed.

    Furthermore, many older people have already been vaccinated anyway.

    Is it not that 2.1% of people under 45 years old who are cases are hospitalised rather than 2.1% of hospitalisations are under 45.

    A quick Google says 43% of hospitalisation are 65 or younger back in January.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/hse-chief-says-covid-19-concern-in-hospitals-at-highest-level-ever-1068365.html

    It doesn't sound like it should be 7% of hospitalisations under 55 and 38% of hospitalisations between 55 and 65.


  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Ronan seems confident that we'll have an enjoyable summer or more enjoyable than the last 6 months. You can see that what he means is no dining and the enjoyment will come from outdoor pursuits..shocking stuff..If that's Ronans idea of an enjoyable summer, he may go back to the rest the sheldons and have a rethink.

    People are sick of being TAKEN..they are now going to TAKE for themselves, come the summer when the mercury get up and the Vit D kicks in, whatever about middle and older aged folks..with No holidays, young people will lose the plot! and they have my blessing.

    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines

    I don't think people are generally placing reliance on a single dose giving comprehensive protection.

    I know there has been some positive reports and data that one dose provides protection but it's not being accepted as gospel as yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Thanks. I think similar was mentioned in the Maths thread

    Those % are for this Wave though, right?

    Because - if memory serves - hospitalisation percentages in Wave 1 were double what we're getting now

    Yeah figures from a few weeks ago.
    The hospitalisation rate depends on positivity rate also.
    That's why it was much higher during wave 1.
    Also why in the UK during wave 1 it was something crazy like 60% hospitalisation rate (as they were only testing in hospitals)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Only 2.1% of hospital admissions are under 45 years?

    If that's the case, then surely 80% of cases today < 45 years is a positive thing (pardon the pun).

    Sure, they have the capacity to spread it to the older generation but this is not necessarily guaranteed.

    Furthermore, many older people have already been vaccinated anyway.

    No, 2% of people under 45 who test positive will require hospital care.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    This post yesterday on Reddit Ireland re: the vaccines was excellent and should give even the most pessimistic some hope

    It's received over 1450 upvotes so far. The equivalent of a Boards post getting 1450 Thanks

    It's all clearly laid out. There's proper, credible sources linked to. And there's a TLDR at the start for those who haven't time to read it all

    I've bolded some highlights for those who need to speed read


    It's all worth your time though

    TLDR; Over 70s should be finished with one dose by the end of the week beginning the 12th of April. 65-69 should begin getting theirs either that week or the week before.


    Serious at risk group will all have their first vaccinations by the week ending the 11th of April. Government should have enough vaccines for 86% of our population to be fully vaccinated by the end of June thus the 80% with a first dose looks very realistic.


    There’s been a lot of talk recently about how people don’t believe that the vaccination process is going to be ramped up and people confused about when they will have an opportunity to be vaccinated. I wanted to set a few things straight and perhaps convince people that things aren’t as bad as they might think.


    Firstly, the boring stuff (warning, the whole post is quite boring). All my information comes directly from government data. I will be using a combination of the original Irish delivery schedule (a month outdated) as well as the Swedish vaccine schedule (linked below, updated weekly) as my sources. I will obviously adjust the Swedish figures for our population (divided by 2.08).


    I will also be using data from the Danish scheduler to try and pinpoint potential weekly deliveries in March and April. I will not be using the Danish data to find out how many doses Ireland will receive as it is well known that Denmark gets a higher per capita amount of vaccines than Ireland and other EU countries (that’s a story for another day). I am also going to assume that we continue to administer pretty much all vaccines we get on a particular week (eg week 1) on the following week (eg week 2).


    This is fairly consistent with the evidence we have so far (for example we received 93k vaccines on the week beginning the 1st of March and administered roughly 92k vaccines on the week starting the 8th of March)
    So, thus far we received 758k vaccines up to last Sunday. In December we had 40k vaccines delivered. In January we had 166k. In February we saw 312k. In the first two weeks of March we received 238k (compared to 143k in the first two weeks of Feb).

    We received 144,840 vaccines in the week starting the 8th of March. The highest before that was 94,620 in the week beginning the 15th of Feb and 93,330 for the week beginning the 1st of March. This is clear evidence of a ramp up and this will continue to get better. We are due 1.1 million vaccines by the end of March, this target is consistent with Swedish vaccine figures which are updated weekly (every Friday).

    This means 342k in the last 2.5 weeks of the quarter, and average of 136,800 per week. But we are due 40k extra Pfizer due to a deal agreed last week with the EU so we are actually due something around 1.14 million in the quarter. Now, Paul Reid said today we got around 10k AZ this week. This is consistent with the Danes expecting around 14k. They expect this amount again next week (week starting the 22nd) with the vast majority of AZ coming in the last week (beginning 29th) and thus this would be administered on the week beginning the 5th of April. Moderna still owe us 60k vaccines this quarter also. We have been told to expect it towards the end of the month.

    Judging by the Danish vaccine schedule we would be due this the week beginning the 22nd. Anyway I’m rambling through my points now, but you get the idea. Thus, below is the estimated vaccine administration for up to the end of April, basically estimated deliveries plus one week. For Moderna, half the doses delivered are kept back for second doses, while Pfizer and AZ are pretty much all given out.



    Week 10 (completed already) : 617k

    Week 11 (beginning 15th of March) : 60k (all Pfizer due to AZ cancelation) = 677k

    Week 12 (22nd March) : 165k (75k Pfizer + 90k AZ, consisting of 80k in fridges due to pause and 10k deliveries) = 842k

    Week 13 (29th March) : 125k (75K Pfizer + 30k Moderna + 10k AZ) = 967k

    Week 14 (5th April) : 175k (75k Pfizer + 100k AZ) = 1.142 million

    Week 15 (12th April) : 192k (140k Pfizer + 10k Moderna + 42k AZ) = 1.334 million

    Week 16 (19th April) : 180k (140k Pfizer + 40k AZ) = 1.514 million

    Week 17 (26th April) : 263k (140k Pfizer + 50k Moderna [20k first dose, 30k second dose] + 73k AZ) = 1.777 million

    Week 18 (3rd May) : 349k (140k Pfizer + 209k AZ) = 2.126 million



    Note that this does not include J&J deliveries in April which are projected to be around 100k. This gets us to 2.226 million vaccines delivered by the end of April. Per capita, by the Swedish vaccine schedule we should have 2.235 million, so this is roughly correct in terms of what each week should look like (especially when you add in the 20k Moderna doses that have been administered as first doses and will be slowly given out as second doses in the coming 4 weeks)


    Now, what does that mean for each cohort? Well, I’m going to assume, other than second doses, cohorts 1 and 2 are finished (which is pretty much correct). Per the links below there are around 500k people over 70 and 700k people over 65 (thus 200k 65-69). There are 140k-150k people in cohort 4 (no source on this I just read it was around that number, feel free to correct). The 65-69 age cohort are due the AZ after the serious at risk group. Only 5k of these have been done so basically the next 150k AZ will be given to them.


    This puts the 65-69 group starting on the week of the 5th of April or the week starting the 12th of April.

    There are roughly 350k doses of mRNA vaccines that need to be given as second doses before the 18th of April. There are around 150k over 70s with one dose so this leaves around 350k yet to get a dose. This would have all over 70s getting a dose by the end of the week beginning the 12th of April (again this is consistent with the governments promise of all over 70s getting a jab by mid-April).


    Cohorts 6 (which is small enough) and cohort 7 should thus begin somewhere around the 19th of April, if not the week earlier.
    Again this is all kind of confusing but the general point is we have vaccines coming, and the programme will significantly ramp up in the coming weeks.


    By the end of June we should have somewhere around 5.25 million 2 dose vaccines and 600k J&J (not including CureVac approval). This is enough to fully vaccinate 3.225 million people or 86% of the adult population. This includes 1.2 million AZ. If you exclude AZ (unreliable), we would still have enough to fully vaccinate 70% of our population by the end of Q2 (again, add at least a week for the vaccines to be administered)


    Irish delivery schedule (published in February) https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c4876-covid-19-resilience-and-recovery-2021-the-path-ahead/


    Original vaccine schedule post https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/lr9t5o/vaccinations_in_ireland_as_of_21022021_total/gokiqll/


    Swedish vaccination schedule (Deliveries): https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/


    Danish vaccination calendar: https://www.sst.dk/-/media/Udgivelser/2021/Corona/Vaccination/Kalender/Specificeret-vaccinationskalender-19032021.ashx?la=da&hash=DFDFB441004E2C313ED7724FCE2018DF26650DC9


    Irish week 9 and 10 deliveries: https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1372150312316833798


    Irish first two months deliveries: https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1367521128646852609/photo/1


    Estimated over 70s breakdown: https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1366026746127130629


    Ireland population demographics: https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7dgs/


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines

    They offer no optimism or hope. Just utter misery. It’s laughable tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,090 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines

    Its about 100 days until 30 June.... is 80% really going to happen??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ronan Glynn seems confident that 80%+ of adults will have gotten a dose by the end of June, but we'll be having an enjoyable summer based on outdoor activities.

    If 80%+ are vaccinated, why does it need to be outdoors? Is anyone asking the question?

    What they're saying just doesn't add up and doesn't increase confidence in vaccines

    Yeah, this summer of outdoor activities nonsense has to stop. We are already allowed outdoors. You're telling me that in 3 months time, you'll let me go outdoors AND have a pint when outside? Woohoo, I'm so excited. If they want us to "hold firm" we need something bigger to look forward to i.e. a pretty much normal summer. With 80% vaccinated by June, there is absolutely no reason that can't happen.

    When NPHET come out with this nonsense, it's like they are still living in October and we don't know how effective the vaccines will be or what impact they will have on transmission. We know that much better now. Their thinking needs to move on, and quickly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    I expect Dr Glynn will get a slap on the wrist for mentioning crèches and schools as it doesn’t fit into the Government narrative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Its about 100 days until 30 June.... is 80% really going to happen??

    Why the obsession with 80% everywhere???!!! Is 40/50% not enough for level 3?! Think Israel really started really opening up once they that - totally open to correction on that....Like surely we should be at level 3 in May yet it feels like 10 years away :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Its about 100 days until 30 June.... is 80% really going to happen??

    no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Why the obsession with 80% everywhere???!!! Is 40/50% not enough for level 3?! Think Israel really started really opening up once they that - totally open to correction on that....Like surely we should be at level 3 in May yet it feels like 10 years away :)

    Hold firm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Cork2021 wrote: »

    No message for people with no more to give? What exactly does she mean by that? What does she want government to do, when the crisis is led by the millions of small individual decisions by people? This really is just a whinge, and whining solves nothing.

    The choice is ours. We either do the distancing, rules and regulations and try and get it suppressed to get back to life sooner or we can accept that the restrictions will remain in place until the vaccine rollout has reached a critical mass


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Aph2016


    If 80% of the population are expected to be vaccinated by June, then the government need to come out and give us a road map that from July onwards, we fully re-open society with no restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hold firm

    Come on! Give me something more positive:) Just kidding...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    If 80% of the population are expected to be vaccinated by June, then the government need to come out and give us a road map that from July onwards, we fully re-open society with no restrictions.

    No restrictions??! I kind of feel like that will not happen for years - yes I know that sounds mad but I just feel like this is life now....I’m just praying for level 3!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    No message for people with no more to give? What exactly does she mean by that? What does she want government to do, when the crisis is led by the millions of small individual decisions by people? This really is just a whinge, and whining solves nothing.

    The choice is ours. We either do the distancing, rules and regulations and try and get it suppressed to get back to life sooner or we can accept that the restrictions will remain in place until the vaccine rollout has reached a critical mass

    Are you still here? Relentlessly parroting your incoherent rumblings that are totally devoid of any sense of reality. Good to see, carry on.


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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    If 80% of the population are expected to be vaccinated by June, then the government need to come out and give us a road map that from July onwards, we fully re-open society with no restrictions.

    A road map that'll be as clear as driving through a bog at 5am without lights.


  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No message for people with no more to give? What exactly does she mean by that? What does she want government to do, when the crisis is led by the millions of small individual decisions by people? This really is just a whinge, and whining solves nothing.

    The choice is ours. We either do the distancing, rules and regulations and try and get it suppressed to get back to life sooner or we can accept that the restrictions will remain in place until the vaccine rollout has reached a critical mass

    according to Ronan, we will actually be worse off this summer than last!! with by his math..all at risk groups covered...Last summer I was on the pier in dingle throwing darts at a funfair..Then we went for drinks with a substantial meal..
    Oh yea and I was in the gym too...None of that will be possible now even with Vaccines, and you are saying it's all in our hands now??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    What are you on about at all. We are not dogs you can lock in a cage.

    Sure even if were at 5 cases a day the country would still need to be locked down until the vaccine rollout is complete or cases will just jump again in a few weeks.

    Totally not true. look up herd immunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,399 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    No message for people with no more to give? What exactly does she mean by that? What does she want government to do, when the crisis is led by the millions of small individual decisions by people? This really is just a whinge, and whining solves nothing.

    The choice is ours. We either do the distancing, rules and regulations and try and get it suppressed to get back to life sooner or we can accept that the restrictions will remain in place until the vaccine rollout has reached a critical mass

    Or, you can do what you feel is acceptable for you and your family, meet if you feel it's safe to do so or don't. It makes zero difference to the people supposedly leading this effort anyway. When you hear guff like we can enjoy a summer of outdoor activities when 80% of people are vaccinated then the game is up. Unless people ignore these restrictions once we get enough people vaccinated then this government will continue to think they can use them at will.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    JRant wrote: »
    Or, you can do what you feel is acceptable for you and your family, meet if you feel it's safe to do so or don't. It makes zero difference to the people supposedly leading this effort anyway. When you hear guff like we can enjoy a summer of outdoor activities when 80% of people are vaccinated then the game is up. Unless people ignore these restrictions once we get enough people vaccinated then this government will continue to think they can use them at will.

    He's someone who repeatedly says the same thing and doesn't acknowledge anyone else's points which are supported by evidence and logic.

    Trying to engage in progressive discourse is a futile endeavor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    rusty cole wrote: »
    according to Ronan, we will actually be worse off this summer than last!! with by his math..all at risk groups covered...Last summer I was on the pier in dingle throwing darts at a funfair..Then we went for drinks with a substantial meal..
    Oh yea and I was in the gym too...None of that will be possible now even with Vaccines, and you are saying it's all in our hands now??

    Two vastly different variants: the old one and the Kent one which is now very much the dominant variant in Ireland

    The Kent variant is a whole different level of contagious and I'm sure that's what Ronan means

    I'm not saying you're one of them Rusty, but people who think there's no difference in the two variants are just as bad as the "It's just a flu!" people last April


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Totally not true. look up herd immunity.

    Herd immunity is not achievable, Israel are struggling to get it even. There is no vaccine for children so that leaves a good portion of the population out straight away. We just have to learn to live with it and hope the vaccine reduces it but the rolling lockdown stuff is a load of rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,558 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Did they seriously wheel out the "new virus" soundbite again?

    Why don't we tell the UK about this new virus, considering they had their smallest number of deaths in 6 months today?

    Yet ANOTHER example of abysmal communication from our "leaders"

    Clowns


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Did they seriously wheel out the "new virus" soundbite again?

    Why don't we tell the UK about this new virus, considering they had their smallest number of deaths in 6 months today?

    Ye ANOTHER example of abysmal communication from our "leaders"

    Clowns

    The British variant isn't really plaguing the British apparently.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Two vastly different variants: the old one and the Kent one which is now very much the dominant variant in Ireland

    The Kent variant is a whole different level of contagious and I'm sure that's what Ronan means

    I'm not saying you're one of them Rusty, but people who think there's no difference in the two variants are just as bad as the "It's just a flu!" people last April

    This is where the problem resides with nphet and the government. The vaccine will only do so much, we have to learn to live with this bloody disease and there is no alternative, telling people it is going to be lockdown and restriction after restriction is just stupid at this stage. If the vaccine reduces hospitalizations then that is a result..


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