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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8672
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    as is there job.

    I would expect nothing less from NPHET as they report solely on data.

    What needs to happen is the government to show leadership and say 'we need a change'

    NPHET always say at these conferences how they are there to "give advice" because their role is about preserving public health. If that's their aim, then Lv. 5 is a logical and permanent extension of that. And that's fine - that's their preserve to recommend.

    But government must govern - and a society operates on many levels other than how many deaths result from a specific infection.

    Restrict yes. Lock-up for 6-months with ever-reducing compliance; that's absolute madness and if this government is worth its salt, it will seek to govern and not follow (NPHET).


  • #8673
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Hospital numbers have updated this morning. 359 in hospital (down 1 from yesterday morning). 11 new confirmed cases in hospital over past 24 hours.

    Hope to see the number fall a bit over the next few days.


  • #8674
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Hospital numbers have updated this morning. 359 in hospital (down 1 from yesterday morning). 11 new confirmed cases in hospital over past 24 hours.

    Hope to see the number fall a bit over the next few days.

    17 admissions & 10 discharges between yesterday morning and this morning.


  • #8675
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Deleted User wrote: »
    NPHET always say at these conferences how they are there to "give advice" because their role is about preserving public health. If that's their aim, then Lv. 5 is a logical and permanent extension of that. And that's fine - that's their preserve to recommend.

    But government must govern - and a society operates on many levels other than how many deaths result from a specific infection.

    Restrict yes. Lock-up for 6-months with ever-reducing compliance; that's absolute madness and if this government is worth its salt, it will seek to govern and not follow (NPHET).

    NPHET need to build human behaviour into their analysis, when cases are low, say less than 1000 a day compliance goes completely out the window, at 5000 cases a day it would probably be quite high.


  • #8676
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    It is most bizarre that 1,000 cases daily is considered low. :confused:


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  • #8677
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    It's becoming very clear that lockdowns are ineffective at preventing the disease from running its course.

    Greece has been in lockdown (arguably more restrictive) than us since Xmas and posted its highest infection rates since the beginning last week. This has been proven to be down to the B177 that gave us our 3rd wave at Xmas. Meanwhile Florida in fully open with stable cases.

    Lockdowns should be used for what they were originally designed for - flattening the curve and protecting the health services. Lockdowns will not get us down to ultra low numbers. Vaccination and seasonality will, but when they do, lockdown will be erroneously accredited


  • #8678
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It is most bizarre that 1,000 cases daily is considered low. :confused:

    When are we going to be able to stop being worried about daily case number and being only concerned with hospital admissions?


  • #8679
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It is most bizarre that 1,000 cases daily is considered low. :confused:

    Other European countries maintained an equivalent of 1,000-3,500 cases a day over several months. If it's good enough for other European countries, then it's good enough for us.

    Yes, they went back into lockdown - but that was an inevitability anyway.

    What's sad with NPHET is that they didn't bother allowing society to enjoy the freedom that comes with this relatively low level of modest infection. Now, with Europe convulsed by a third wave, NPHET has the opportunity to extend Lv. 5 even longer.


  • #8680
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    When are we going to be able to stop being worried about daily case number and being only concerned with hospital admissions?

    When we can confidently state rising case numbers won't lead to significant increases in hospital admissions. Certainly not at the present moment in time.


  • #8681
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    When are we going to be able to stop being worried about daily case number and being only concerned with hospital admissions?

    As long as NPHET is in the driving seat, never.

    I would also add to that list the number of vaccinations and the number of "most vulnerable" remaining to be vaccinated.

    A positive spin to the pandemic wouldn't go amiss.


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  • #8682
    robfowler78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭robfowler78


    I think the Summer weather and brighter evenings are going to make it almost impossible to be at level 5 with no mixing.

    I think we have stayed at level 5 to long we have nowhere to go now.

    People won’t stick to the 5km government know this so they will increase it on the 5th to make it look like it’s them allowing it when it’s clearly happening already.


  • #8683
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Turtwig wrote: »
    When we can confidently state rising case numbers won't lead to significant increases in hospital admissions. Certainly not at the present moment in time.

    Agreed, but when will that be, are there signals in the science about it, perhaps at a certain vaccination % ?


  • #8684
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Hospital numbers have updated this morning. 359 in hospital (down 1 from yesterday morning). 11 new confirmed cases in hospital over past 24 hours.

    Hope to see the number fall a bit over the next few days.

    Very few discharges over the weekend. Expect to see a good drop tomorrow as discharges happen through today


  • #8685
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Journal article saying hospitalisations rose again yesterday.

    They do realise very few people get discharged at the weekend.

    Is it people don’t get discharged or that the paper work doesn’t get done until Monday?

    Always a bounce at the weekend and then a drop on Monday/Tuesday for the total hospital figure but ICU number seems to be kept up to date


  • #8686
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Is it people don’t get discharged or that the paper work doesn’t get done until Monday?

    Always a bounce at the weekend and then a drop on Monday/Tuesday for the total hospital figure but ICU number seems to be kept up to date

    A mix of both, but generally for someone to be discharged they may need to see doctors in different departments they are linked with for sign off, and some departments, maybe like physio, etc, will have skeleton cover at weekends.


  • #8687
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Turtwig wrote: »
    It is most bizarre that 1,000 cases daily is considered low. :confused:

    1000 cases a days while opening parts of the economy seems realistic to me.


  • #8688
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Turtwig wrote: »
    When we can confidently state rising case numbers won't lead to significant increases in hospital admissions. Certainly not at the present moment in time.
    Israel seem to have just about reached that point at 50% of adults vaccinated and with wide re-opening (but still masks etc.), so there's hope there I think. I suspect they probably have a lot more immunity from previous infections compared to us as there was widescale non-compliance by some of their population, so we'll need something a bit larger as a percentage.


  • #8689
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    The GP referral data for Friday is out. Similar to Thursday, but double the previous week. Hopefully this falls back again this week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-22_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf


  • #8690
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hmmm wrote: »
    Israel seem to have just about reached that point at 50% of adults vaccinated and with wide re-opening (but still masks etc.), so there's hope there I think. I suspect they probably have a lot more immunity from previous infections compared to us as there was widescale non-compliance by some of their population, so we'll need something a bit larger as a percentage.

    Latest on Israel

    https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1373876560030208006?s=19


  • #8691
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Well given the annual trolley crises and outrageous waiting lists we had to hear about pre Covid, begs the question as to what it is our health system is actually built for?

    I believe you missed the point made. Regardless of issues pre- covid. I'm unaware of any heath system in the world which was designed to cope with a pandemic.

    Perhaps get on to your TD and lobby them about it.


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  • #8692
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The GP referral data for Friday is out. Similar to Thursday, but double the previous week. Hopefully this falls back again this week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-22_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf
    Yeah, that's bad. It has been a reliable indicator for anticipating previous waves.


  • #8693
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The GP referral data for Friday is out. Similar to Thursday, but double the previous week. Hopefully this falls back again this week.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-22_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    While I've been a great believer in this being a good metric of how things are going in the past (and it absolutely has been)I've had some doubts over the last week.

    Purely down to how it fluctuates daily. I still think its a great resource and does give a decent insight.

    However, GPs actually filling in the survey is very fluid, some days in the 80s, some days in the 140s +

    Then you've also gaps in responses, Dublin 20 for example, no response since 1st March and then adds in 5 for the 19th. That'll bump things up a bit, same for Dublin 7, 2 days no response then adds in a 4.

    While Offaly which has quite clearly had an issue recently and has a town with the highest incidence in the country reports very little.

    Don't get me wrong it's a great resource and absolutely should be referenced, I've just started looking at it a little more in the last week which raised a few doubts (probably because I'd a week off work and nothing else to do with everything closed)


  • #8694
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Deleted User wrote: »

    A positive spin to the pandemic wouldn't go amiss.

    The house is on fire, but sure isn't there a grand heat off it all the same!


  • #8695
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    I believe you missed the point made. Regardless of issues pre- covid. I'm unaware of any heath system in the world which was designed to cope with a pandemic.

    Perhaps get on to your TD and lobby them about it.

    The pandemic started over a year ago, plenty of time by now to design in surge capacity, extra ventilators, step down facilities, extra ICU units etc. etc.

    That is what we were sold over a year ago, flatten the curve, give us time to put things in place.


  • #8696
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    covidrelease wrote: »
    The pandemic started over a year ago, plenty of time by now to design in surge capacity, extra ventilators, step down facilities, extra ICU units etc. etc.

    That is what we were sold over a year ago, flatten the curve, give us time to put things in place.

    100% and look at this...hhhhmmmmmmm increase capacity or stand here for worlds most expensive warehouse photo opportunity..f*cking buffoon..

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/questions-over-25m-cost-for-leasing-a-mostly-empty-citywest/ar-BB1eKExT?ocid=entnewsntp


  • #8697
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Latest on Israel

    https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1373876560030208006?s=19

    Late April I think the situation will be looking alot better here.


  • #8698
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Late April I think the situation will be looking alot better here.

    Yeah I'd agree. Over 70s look well on track for 2 dose by mid May and 1 dose as we know offers partial protection so should have have impact of some sort by then.

    Then its a case of how quickly supply comes in to move down through Cohort 4 and the age groups


  • #8699
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Late April I think the situation will be looking alot better here.
    It'll all be down to those darned supplies!


  • #8700
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Latest on Israel

    https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1373876560030208006?s=19

    This is excellent. It should be noted that they've implemented a 'green pass' whereby the economy is fully open to those vaccinated. Not a huge issue as they were so fast getting many vaccinated, so there wasn't a long wait for people. The issue here with a similar scheme would be a mix of people disagreeing with the idea of a pass and also unfair to those who have to wait ~6 months for a vaccine. That's without questioning who would even enforce it, if anyone. Can't imagine all businesses closed for a year to be filtering customers.


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  • #8701
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    rusty cole wrote: »
    100% and look at this...hhhhmmmmmmm increase capacity or stand here for worlds most expensive warehouse photo opportunity..f*cking buffoon..

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/questions-over-25m-cost-for-leasing-a-mostly-empty-citywest/ar-BB1eKExT?ocid=entnewsntp

    Ah that is a bit harsh, his covid tracker app is world class and cost less than €1 million.:D


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