Nct equivalent for tractors?

Donald Trump · 21-03-2021 06:17PM

Ddad wrote: »

Within a 50 yards of me a tractor lost a wheel and demolished a wall, it could just as easily have demolished a life. it could have been one of mine.

Within 100 yards from me an uninsured driver crashed through a hedge and tore down the fence along the inside.

Front of the car was battered but the driver was unhurt.

21-03-2021 06:19PM

Ddad wrote: »

Within a 50 yards of me a tractor lost a wheel and demolished a wall, it could just as easily have demolished a life. it could have been one of mine. Within a half a mile A local road is impassable to cars for most of the year because the local large scale dairy operation uses it as a farm track with their heavy machinery on a daily basis.The people who have lived on that road all of their lives have to go two miles out of their way because of the state of the road. This is a recent development; the bigger the machinery and the stock numbers got the worse the road got.

Most of the road edges are destroyed by large rigs which have no business being driven on tarred and chipped gravel roads.

A lad crosses a local N road in a MF135 with next to no lights on it to reach his outfarm to feed his cattle, its only a matter of time until he kills someone.

The grass verges on the all of the local roads are becoming more and more eroded as big rigs can't pass each other without mounting the verges. in many areas the road edges are just churned muck.

A tillage operation dragged so much muck on to a nearby road it caused an accident that included serious life altering injuries.

Thats within a mile of me. I'm from a rural area. Ive worked on farms as a youngster. My son works on a farm during the summer. i have an idea how hard a life it is.

It doesn't entitle anyone to carry out their business in a way that'll harm others or the environment around them.

Farming is the most dangerous profession in Ireland because of this attitude of "leave him off" and "Its nobodies business but his own". If a tractor is a heap that spews fumes it should be fixed and it's a fairly poor attitude to make fun of the parent of a sick child for asking an honest question. Its fairly shameful to be honest.

Within 50 yards of me someone was shot recently.

Ddad · 21-03-2021 06:23PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Within 100 yards from me an uninsured driver crashed through a hedge and tore down the fence along the inside.

Front of the car was battered but the driver was unhurt.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not going to defend an uninsured driver. What he did is illegal. Are you defending the owner of the poorly maintained tractor? Why make the point? What is the point.

Ddad · 21-03-2021 06:25PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Within 50 yards of me someone was shot recently.

I'm sorry to hear that. That must have been awful.

21-03-2021 06:30PM

Ddad wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear that. That must have been awful.

Wasn’t awful for me because I wasn’t shot, but the point is that **** can happen no matter where you live.

Ddad · 21-03-2021 06:37PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Wasn’t awful for me because I wasn’t shot, but the point is that **** can happen no matter where you live.

It's in fairly poor taste and vaguely threatening to make the comment you made.

maidhc · 21-03-2021 06:37PM

Ddad wrote: »

If a tractor is a heap that spews fumes it should be fixed and it's a fairly poor attitude to make fun of the parent of a sick child for asking an honest question. Its fairly shameful to be honest.

I think it is fair however to say that that the op seems over sensitised to this tractor. Whatever it emits it is completely negligible in the context of local air pollution. The tractor probably should be scrapped, but 1) is perfectly legal and 2) it isn’t causing the illness.

It is a relatively common psychological phenomenon that a person attributes certain maladies to another’s action and gets fixated on it. I see it every day at work.

21-03-2021 06:43PM

Ddad wrote: »

It's in fairly poor taste and vaguely threatening to make the comment you made.

What? I’m making no threat at all. I live in north Dublin and there actually was someone shot that close to me recently. Stop trying to make something that isn’t there, it’s is even worse taste than you are accusing me of.

21-03-2021 06:44PM

Ddad wrote: »

I'm sorry to hear that. That must have been awful.

Why did you make this post and then decide mine was in poor taste? What was this reply about?

Ddad · 21-03-2021 06:47PM

maidhc wrote: »

I think it is fair however to say that that the op seems over sensitised to this tractor. Whatever it emits it is completely negligible in the context of local air pollution. The tractor probably should be scrapped, but 1) is perfectly legal and 2) it isn’t causing the illness.

It is a relatively common psychological phenomenon that a person attributes certain maladies to another’s action and gets fixated on it. I see it every day at work.

Yes, fair points made. The EPA attributed 1300 premature deaths in Ireland in 2019 due to poor air quality. Air quality is cumulative. If the NCT is so strict on private cars and the DOE is strict on commercial vehicles it stands to reason that all vehicles should fall within standards, farm vehicles included. With the exception of vehicles which are for novel use. like clasic cars or tractors that do very limited mileage. So on point 2 it can be argued that it may be a contributory factor as the ammounts of particulates an old diesel tractor throws out' particularly a badly maintained one, are enormous compared to a car.

Donald Trump · 21-03-2021 06:49PM

Ddad wrote: »

Within a 50 yards of me a tractor lost a wheel and demolished a wall, it could just as easily have demolished a life. it could have been one of mine. Within a half a mile A local road is impassable to cars for most of the year because the local large scale dairy operation uses it as a farm track with their heavy machinery on a daily basis.The people who have lived on that road all of their lives have to go two miles out of their way because of the state of the road. This is a recent development; the bigger the machinery and the stock numbers got the worse the road got.

By the way, on another point, the land under roads is generally privately owned. The farmer you are moaning about for using the road likely owns the land under it. There is a publicly maintained road and a public right of way, but it is probably his land.

Donald Trump · 21-03-2021 06:52PM

Ddad wrote: »

Yes, fair points made. The EPA attributed 1300 premature deaths in Ireland in 2019 due to poor air quality. Air quality is cumulative. If the NCT is so strict on private cars and the DOE is strict on commercial vehicles it stands to reason that all vehicles should fall within standards, farm vehicles included. With the exception of vehicles which are for novel use. like clasic cars or tractors that do very limited mileage. So on point 2 it can be argued that it may be a contributory factor as the ammounts of particulates an old diesel tractor throws out' particularly a badly maintained one, are enormous compared to a car.

Almost all new tractors have to have adblue now btw. They are the ones doing the heavy work. The overall contributions to the environment of the old smaller ones still knocking about (that appear to be the focus here) would be negligible. ............ probably a lot less than the flight for your last trip abroad!

Ddad · 21-03-2021 06:54PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Why did you make this post and then decide mine was in poor taste? What was this reply about?

Your first post on this thread was to talk about someone being shot. The distance of 50 metres alluded to some of the distances i used in my post You didn't address any of the points I made. Your post is in poor taste, what does someone being shot have to do with the proper maintenance of a tractor or the post I made? if you want to have a discussion pick a point and discuss it and I'll engage with you.

21-03-2021 06:58PM

Ddad wrote: »

Your first post on this thread was to talk about someone being shot. The distance of 50 metres alluded to some of the distances i used in my post You didn't address any of the points I made. Your post is in poor taste, what does someone being shot have to do with the proper maintenance of a tractor or the post I made? if you want to have a discussion pick a point and discuss it and I'll engage with you.

I’ve been subscribed and reading the thread since there were 2 posts in it. My point was that things happen everywhere no matter where you are and what distance away from anything, but I’ve already told you that. I have zero interest in engaging with you at all but you needed to be pulled up on the lazy bad taste jibes, that’s all.

Ddad · 21-03-2021 07:05PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Almost all new tractors have to have adblue now btw. They are the ones doing the heavy work. The overall contributions to the environment of the old smaller ones still knocking about (that appear to be the focus here) would be negligible. ............ probably a lot less than the flight for your last trip abroad!

Yes, you are dead right but the point I am making is that a badly maintained/worn diesel engine contributes signiificantly more pollution per mile than a well maintained one and that is by multiples not percentages.Even though modern vehicles are much cleaner than they were even a decade ago they still emit enough pollution to harm the health of people. Most of the farmers around me are using tractors over 10 years old for day to day stuff so it is still a contributing factor in air pollution.

KaneToad · 21-03-2021 07:07PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Anyone has the right to live wherever they want. Nobody said otherwise.

They don't, however, have the right to expect that they can move into an area and have everyone else change their lives and businesses to suit them. They may think the world revolves around them but it doesn't.

If you bought an apartment in Templebar and tried to start a campaign complaining about all the drunk people coming out of pubs in your area then you'd be rightly laughed at.

They can of course expect people to change if they are engaging in illegal behaviour. Just because the practice has endured doesn't mean it shouldn't stop.

Ddad · 21-03-2021 07:10PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’ve been subscribed and reading the thread since there were 2 posts in it. My point was that things happen everywhere no matter where you are and what distance away from anything, but I’ve already told you that. I have zero interest in engaging with you at all but you needed to be pulled up on the lazy bad taste jibes, that’s all.

Look, you talked about someone being shot. It was in bad taste and if not in bad taste it was a poorly chosen metaphor for a thread on tractors. Nothing lazy about it.

Donald Trump · 21-03-2021 07:15PM

KaneToad wrote: »

They can of course expect people to change if they are engaging in illegal behaviour. Just because the practice has endured doesn't mean it shouldn't stop.

And blow-ins engaging in illegal behaviour should be stopped too. It's very dangerous to the locals and is harming the environment. Just because their practices have endured doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped

If you want to continue along this line of making things up and projecting your own imagination onto the situation, I will just mirror it back to you. You are making up some implied illegality. There is no claim or evidence of that in any of what the OP said

J.O. Farmer · 21-03-2021 07:17PM

KaneToad wrote: »

They can of course expect people to change if they are engaging in illegal behaviour. Just because the practice has endured doesn't mean it shouldn't stop.

Which illegal behaviours are you alluding to. I think the practices being referred to are general farm practices for which are perfectly legal. However moving into the area and stating an opinion that said practices might be illegal is bound to get backs up.

maidhc · 21-03-2021 08:32PM

Ddad wrote: »

Yes, fair points made. The EPA attributed 1300 premature deaths in Ireland in 2019 due to poor air quality. Air quality is cumulative. If the NCT is so strict on private cars and the DOE is strict on commercial vehicles it stands to reason that all vehicles should fall within standards, farm vehicles included. With the exception of vehicles which are for novel use. like clasic cars or tractors that do very limited mileage. So on point 2 it can be argued that it may be a contributory factor as the ammounts of particulates an old diesel tractor throws out' particularly a badly maintained one, are enormous compared to a car.

I suspect an old tractor is very polluting, but it’s all cumulative. That tractor is probably doing no more than 150 hours a year, which would equate to about 4000 miles in car terms, which would fall within the mileage limit of most classic car policies.

Equally I’d take that tractor passing my door twice a day over living 20 yards from the stillorgan dual carriageway...

yrreg0850 · 21-03-2021 09:11PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Almost all new tractors have to have adblue now btw. They are the ones doing the heavy work. The overall contributions to the environment of the old smaller ones still knocking about (that appear to be the focus here) would be negligible. ............ probably a lot less than the flight for your last trip abroad!

This thread seems to have drifted from the original question .

The original question was :

Why are tractors not obliged to have NCT certs

It has become a thread of posters trying to justify vehicles pouring pollution.

Which is all the more reason for NCT.

carrollsno1 · 21-03-2021 09:15PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

This thread seems to have drifted from the original question .

The original question was :

Why are tractors not obliged to have NCT certs

It has become a thread of posters trying to justify vehicles pouring pollution.

Which is all the more reason for NCT.

Well NCT stands for National Car Test so ........

green daries · 21-03-2021 09:23PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

This thread seems to have drifted from the original question .

The original question was :

Why are tractors not obliged to have NCT certs

It has become a thread of posters trying to justify vehicles pouring pollution.

Which is all the more reason for NCT.

No yet again your implying that's what is happening more attempts to turn perfectly legal action and work into something illegal its like what was stated earlier its more and more farmer bashing I'm afraid It's just what we are going to have to get used to
This imo as was stated before is all down to the cheap food policy if food was dear enough and farmers properly renumerated for their produce there would be far more respect for farmers

green daries · 21-03-2021 09:30PM

KaneToad wrote: »

They can of course expect people to change if they are engaging in illegal behaviour. Just because the practice has endured doesn't mean it shouldn't stop.

I'll tell you what if the general population get their collective heads out of their asses and stop cheerleading the anti meat zealots
Or the lazy media reporting and dramatising of agri emissions and get proactive on non essential flights travel smartphones I pads and unnecessary expenditure of the world's valuable resources we as farmers will start to take your points seriously

Say my name · 21-03-2021 09:38PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

I'd be guessing they were kiteflying for a claim, Greens in government would probably fall in behind it even if the parents are chainsmokers

You could be correct in the kiteflying.
There are social media centres set up with green activists that do this sort of thing every day online. Paid profession too.

Who knows they may be genuine. They had their own air emission testing kit for their local village.

Anyway the Op has ceased posting. It's ourselves are keeping the thread going.:pac:

Ludicrous worry about one tractor passing a house in the countryside though.

Maybe someone should go on the motorcycle forum and look for Harley davisons to be tested.

RandomViewer · 21-03-2021 09:58PM

Say my name wrote: »

You could be correct in the kiteflying.
There are social media centres set up with green activists that do this sort of thing every day online. Paid profession too.

Who knows they may be genuine. They had their own air emission testing kit for their local village.

Anyway the Op has ceased posting. It's ourselves are keeping the thread going.:pac:

Ludicrous worry about one tractor passing a house in the countryside though.

Maybe someone should go on the motorcycle forum and look for Harley davisons to be tested.

Or Honda 50:(

whisky_galore · 21-03-2021 10:04PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Or Honda 50:(

I'd be more afraid of some of the Harley D crew tbh.

maidhc · 21-03-2021 10:07PM

yrreg0850 wrote: »

This thread seems to have drifted from the original question .

The original question was :

Why are tractors not obliged to have NCT certs

It has become a thread of posters trying to justify vehicles pouring pollution.

Which is all the more reason for NCT.

If there was an nct, the vehicle wouldn’t be expected to be less polluting than it was when manufactured. So there would be no emissions test for a pre 2000 tractor.

KaneToad · 21-03-2021 10:31PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

And blow-ins engaging in illegal behaviour should be stopped too. It's very dangerous to the locals and is harming the environment. Just because their practices have endured doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped

If you want to continue along this line of making things up and projecting your own imagination onto the situation, I will just mirror it back to you. You are making up some implied illegality. There is no claim or evidence of that in any of what the OP said

I'm not commenting about the OP. I was talking about the bullies in the thread saying you can't move into an area and complain about what is going on.

I disagree.

You can, most definitely, complain about practices that are happening, if they are illegal.

Donald Trump · 21-03-2021 10:59PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I'm not commenting about the OP. I was talking about the bullies in the thread saying you can't move into an area and complain about what is going on.

I disagree.

You can, most definitely, complain about practices that are happening, if they are illegal.

And one can, most definitely, complain about bullying blow ins and their practices, if they are illegal.

We can do this all day. If you want to make up some hypothetical scenario which has no relevance, I'll mirror it back to you

You are the only person that is bringing up legality. Nobody else mentioned it

Nct equivalent for tractors?

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