Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 08:28PM

darconio wrote: »

How many of these 796 required hospital care? because with the vulnerable being vaccinated, is it fair to say that the majority of the population won't be affected/won't have any symptom and hence we can start putting in place a plan of "living with covid"?

The median age is low, so about 5% will end up in hospital

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 08:31PM

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

People just dont know how good they have it.

Relatively speaking, this is paradise. A golden age.

P1 is absolutely mincing Brazil. They're running out of sedative to intubate patients.

darconio · 21-03-2021 08:33PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The median age is low, so about 5% will end up in hospital

Do you know this for a fact or you are just guessing?

Neagra · 21-03-2021 08:33PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Back in October we were dealing with good old covid. Now we're awash with the uk variant, which is a different kettle of fish.

If it weren't for the variant, we'd be in amazing shape after months of this lockdown. It would be all but gone.

The only thing to be thankful for is that it's the uk variant that's ****ing our **** up, and not the Brazilian one. P1 is significantly worse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55659820

absolutely no difference in variants

Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time passing.
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time ago.
Where have all the flowers gone?
The girls have picked them every one.
Oh, When will you ever learn?
Oh, When will you ever learn?

FintanMcluskey · 21-03-2021 08:34PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Back in October we were dealing with good old covid. Now we're awash with the uk variant, which is a different kettle of fish.

If it weren't for the variant, we'd be in amazing shape after months of this lockdown. It would be all but gone.

The only thing to be thankful for is that it's the uk variant that's ****ing our **** up, and not the Brazilian one. P1 is significantly worse.

That pesky UK variant.

The only ones who are less worried are the UK themselves

growleaves · 21-03-2021 08:35PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That pesky UK variant.

The only ones who are less worried are the UK themselves

We could get the Ireland variant then we'd really be in trouble.

ShadyAcres · 21-03-2021 08:37PM

Neagra wrote: »

if you can get to the comeraghs, galtees or knockmealdowns,
you wont be disappointed
beautiful and peaceful

Funnily enough it's between the Galtees and knockmealdowns where I am thinking to camp. Beautiful areas.
I am not all that far from them either.
I can see the top of galtymor from my town.

21-03-2021 08:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That pesky UK variant.

The only ones who are less worried are the UK themselves

The UK. A shining light on how to handle covid.

Neagra · 21-03-2021 08:40PM

ShadyAcres wrote: »

Funnily enough it's between the Galtees and knockmealdowns where I am thinking to camp. Beautiful areas.
I am not all that far from them either.
I can see the top of galtymor from my town.

we are neighbours so.
both are just excellent and i love wild camping.
but for me the galtees will always be close to my heart.
when i walk them it brings back great memoires of my parents.

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 08:42PM

darconio wrote: »

Do you know this for a fact or you are just guessing?

I'm going by the data. To date, about 6% of cases end up hospitalised.
5% in the last 14 days as the median age is quite low.

Sharpyshoot · 21-03-2021 08:43PM

Neagra wrote: »

we are neighbours so.
both are just excellent and i love wild camping.
but for me the galtees will always be close to my heart.
when i walk them it brings back great memoires of my parents.

Ooh friends.

the kelt · 21-03-2021 08:44PM

6 wrote: »

Schools and creches are back. It's not surprising numbers are up tbh.

In a nutshell yep!

Deusexmachina · 21-03-2021 08:48PM

6 wrote: »

The UK. A shining light on how to handle covid.

Would love it if we had the same vaccination rate as the UK. Yesterday they vaccinated more people in ONE DAY than we did IN TOTAL since vaccination started.

The time of sneering at the UK is over. We have been humbled.

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 08:52PM

So Brazil with there deadly variant and absolutely no restrictions have icu running at about 80%. How does this make sense, why can't we cope with restrictions and a much less deadly variant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56342303

Kiith · 21-03-2021 08:53PM

6 wrote: »

Schools and creches are back. It's not surprising numbers are up tbh.

No no no, don't you know schools are magical buildings where viruses don't spread? This is all because we drank alcohol on Paddy's day.

Or something like that :rolleyes:

darconio · 21-03-2021 08:55PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I'm going by the data. To date, about 6% of cases end up hospitalised.
5% in the last 14 days as the median age is quite low.

So 40 people in a population of 5 million require hospital care, Of these 40 half of them will be dismissed within 1 week, maybe looking at the odds 1 ot of 40 will end up in icu/possibly, sadly will die.
So, based on those numbers, can we put in place a plan of living with covid?
I am personally not afraid, I will gladly take my chances, according to the data, it's more likely that I get run over while cycling to/from work, than catching covid and actually dying from it.

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 08:58PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So Brazil with there deadly variant and absolutely no restrictions have icu running at about 80%. How does this make sense, why can't we cope with restrictions and a much less deadly variant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56342303

Niall, look at the date on that article.

It's much worse now, and it was awful 11 days ago.

bb1234567 · 21-03-2021 08:59PM

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1373724981402689545

Yes there are real people with political influence actually advocating for even more extreme lockdowns. I'd be nervous to hear how he even suggests this might happen or what would be needed, but what do we do after this inevitably does not work. I can't believe there are actually reasonably intelligent adults who think the people of this country could potentially all comply with out exception and sacrifice even more for a further indefinitely long period of time, after 12 months of hardship, in order to reach this goal which may or may not be achieved and may or may not actually remain as a permanently workable solution if it was ever achieved.

retro:electro · 21-03-2021 08:59PM

RobitTV wrote: »

769 new cases (on a Sunday) and we have been on Level 5 since 30th December of last year. Which was 81 days ago.

Many people have given up at this stage. They are meeting up with friends and family again and the possibility of catching covid isn't even crossing the minds of some people at this point and time.

Where do we go from here? - there is no national strategy, debate or questioning within the government. It's just the same old 'lets wait and see' and 'hope and pray to god'

Level 5 is no longer working. Strict measures and demanding more and more from the public isn't working. Fewer and fewer people have the energy to care after 12 months.

Everyone I know has either had it and gotten over it, been vaccinated or just never really cared in the first place. My WhatsApp’s used to be full of Covid chat, nobody brings it up anymore. People are tired, others don’t care, some are so desperate for human interaction at this stage they are happy taking the chance, but most have moved on. It’s time the government woke up to what is actually going on around them.

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 09:01PM

darconio wrote: »

So 40 people in a population of 5 million require hospital care, Of these 40 half of them will be dismissed within 1 week, maybe looking at the odds 1 ot of 40 will end up in icu/possibly, sadly will die.
So, based on those numbers, can we put in place a plan of living with covid?
I am personally not afraid, I will gladly take my chances, according to the data, it's more likely that I get run over while cycling to/from work, than catching covid and actually dying from it.

Well aren't you brave.

You're missing some of the fundamentals though I'm afraid. It wouldn't be 40 a day if we opened up tomorrow. It would be a catastrophe within a month.

RobitTV · 21-03-2021 09:03PM

Paul Murphy is basically advocating for the same thing for 1 and 3 in his tweet

Both require harsh and lengthy lockdowns. That is his only strategy.

'Zero covid' would require a lockdown that is just as harsh.

FintanMcluskey · 21-03-2021 09:03PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1373724981402689545

Yes there are real people with political influence actually advocating for even more extreme lockdowns

Another chap who believe’s money is irrelevant but wants to spend it to improve healthcare.

Brilliant

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 09:03PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Niall, look at the date on that article.

It's much worse now, and it was awful 11 days ago.

I know it's shocking but they are coping just about, it's a 100 times worse there buts somehow it's impossible for us to cope with restrictions and a much milder variant.

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 09:04PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1373724981402689545

Yes there are real people with political influence actually advocating for even more extreme lockdowns. I'd be nervous to hear how he even suggests this might happen or what would be needed, but what do we do after this inevitably does not work. I can't believe there are actually reasonably intelligent adults who think the people of this country could potentially all comply with out exception and sacrifice even more for a further indefinitely long period of time, after 12 months of hardship, in order to reach this goal which may or may not be achieved and may or may not actually remain as a permanently workable solution if it was ever achieved.

I'm not advocating for zero covid, but you're misrepresenting the whole idea behind it.

Zero covid, if you can do it, means your domestic economy will remain pretty much fully open.

FintanMcluskey · 21-03-2021 09:04PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well aren't you brave.

You're missing some of the fundamentals though I'm afraid. It wouldn't be 40 a day if we opened up tomorrow. It would be a catastrophe within a month.

Are you an anti vaccer?

Or what’s the reason you believe vaccinating the HCW’s and 1/2 a million vulnerable won’t have any effect?

It seems like an anti vaccer belief

Rezident · 21-03-2021 09:05PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone else think lockdown just isn't working anymore? To be fair most of my friends and relatives are still pretty much sticking to the "rules" despite actually feeling like they're getting nowhere. This evening figures will I think put an end to their compliance. Its so disheartening. And now of course, these figures will be used by nphet to further delay any relaxation of restrictions in April. Personally I was hoping to get back golfing as my own outlet but I reckon that will be out on the back burner again.
Its game over, ball burst I think. Reopen Ireland, hope for the best and vaccinate as fast as is possible. That seems to be the only way forward now. We've done our best. Its probably wasn't good enough, but that's that.

Lockdown has not been working for a long time as so many people are openly ignoring it. Figures are going up!

We would have been better off, overall, with no lockdown the last few months, apart form maybe for old people. So no doubt we will get more lockdown for everyone from this risible government!

niallo27 · 21-03-2021 09:07PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well aren't you brave.

You're missing some of the fundamentals though I'm afraid. It wouldn't be 40 a day if we opened up tomorrow. It would be a catastrophe within a month.

You do know nearly every other country in the world is more open than us, and not one, not a single one has had a catastrophe in their health system. Not a single ****en one.

darconio · 21-03-2021 09:08PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well aren't you brave.

You're missing some of the fundamentals though I'm afraid. It wouldn't be 40 a day if we opened up tomorrow. It would be a catastrophe within a month.

Why is that?
With the vulnerable being vaccinated, is it fair to say that the majority of the population won't be affected/won't have any symptom and hence we can start putting in place a plan of "living with covid"?

I don't consider myself brave, I consider myself realistic.
What about yourself? Are you vulnerable? are you afraid?

TonyMaloney · 21-03-2021 09:08PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I know it's shocking but they are coping just about, it's a 100 times worse there buts somehow it's impossible for us to cope with restrictions and a much milder variant.

Niall, you're talking about brazil as if they're grand. They're completely ****ed. It's bergamo on a huge scale. Worse even.

B117 would do the same here if let, just not as quickly as P1.

Aph2016 · 21-03-2021 09:09PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Well aren't you brave.

You're missing some of the fundamentals though I'm afraid. It wouldn't be 40 a day if we opened up tomorrow. It would be a catastrophe within a month.

Pure conjecture.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings