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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8372
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jackboy wrote: »
    No, everyone knows this. It’s like the masks are dangerous nonsense we had to endure this time last year. The people spouting that nonsense know it’s not true.

    I was very surprised when there was ambiguity / initial sceptical reaction to masks at the beginning of the pandemic.

    Logic alone tells you that masks confer protection, depending on the quality of the mask in question.

    Perhaps this is a case of scientists being over-cautious and over-reliant on testing and the scientific method, rather than just relying on age-old logic and common sense reasoning.

    The same could be said of the premature lockdown last October. The consequences when opening for that 2-week period around Xmas were guaranteeing and building in COVID spread.


  • #8373
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    But only schools in a few counties . Any explanation for that ?

    Yeah because schools don't exist in a vaccuum. If there's low levels of community spread, a kid doesn't bring the virus into school in the first place. If community levels were already high, you're increasing the R rate. It's not rocket science.


  • #8374
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Benimar wrote: »
    Plenty of young and older adults can’t seem to follow basic rules either Fintan.

    And I don’t think everyone was expected to comply indefinitely

    Didn’t Leo say something to that effect way back in March 2020?

    Lockdown is a blunt exercise to buy time to flatten the curve, and that’s how the rest of Europe used it


  • #8375
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    11521323 wrote: »
    The virus shouldn't have to leave in order for us to live with it, that's the whole ****ing point of "living with Covid"

    We can't live with covid if the vast majority don't adhere to the restrictions currently in place.....this is very obviously the main issue.
    Living with Covid doesn't mean zero restrictions........


  • #8376
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It's shocking, they had to stop dancing on the roof for a month, the poor sods.

    Another middle class yuppie arrives right on cue


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  • #8377
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    kippy wrote: »
    Have you asked the virus when it plans on leaving the country?

    Everyone is tired of this - a year down the line - but the end IS IN SIGHT - nobody is quiet sure when though and some of the inaction of the state in some aspects of how this has been managed is not helping people.

    How can the end be in sight if nobody knows when it is.


  • #8378
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How can the end be in sight if nobody knows when it is.

    There is an end in sight - just with no date on it - apologies for having to point that out - says more about you than me tbh.


  • #8379
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Another middle class yuppie arrives right on cue

    Hang on are you calling me a middle class yuppie, Jesus that's a first.


  • #8380
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    kippy wrote: »
    We can't live with covid if the vast majority don't adhere to the restrictions currently in place.....this is very obviously the main issue.

    Nothing to do with our government ? No track and trace system , no enforced hotel quarantine etc

    But yes it's the lads scrapping by day to day in Mulhaddart who are the main problem


  • #8381
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And I don’t think everyone was expected to comply indefinitely

    Didn’t Leo say something to that effect way back in March 2020?

    Lockdown is a blunt exercise to buy time to flatten the curve, and that’s how the rest of Europe used it

    Yes , he also said they had to choose the timing of a lockdown as compliance will wane after 6/7 weeks
    And here we are on week 12 and they look surprised that compliance is waning


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  • #8382
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    kippy wrote: »
    Have you asked the virus when it plans on leaving the country?

    Everyone is tired of this - a year down the line - but the end IS IN SIGHT - nobody is quiet sure when though and some of the inaction of the state in some aspects of how this has been managed is not helping people.

    "The next three weeks will prove crucial to Ireland’s COVID-19 story and by working together we give ourselves the best chance to slow the spread and save lives."

    The above is from Holohan nearly 12 months ago, you will forgive us if we don't believe this "END IS IN SIGHT" we have been hearing that for nearly a year now.


  • #8383
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Hang on are you calling me a middle class yuppie, Jesus that's a first.

    Sorry I didn't see the O at the end of your name at first glance :)


  • #8384
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    I see Ew*n McK*nna is trying to sow doubt in how the media reports court proceedings now.

    Dangerous pr!ck. Gaslighting the idiots that back him into thinking names and addresses being reported on is not normal. How can he, as a journalist, have never read a court report in his life?

    Simple answer, he has. He's not stupid. He knows full well what he's doing here.

    Trying to resuscitate democracy I’d say

    People have retained anonymity after committing far more heinous crimes


  • #8385
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why didn't they spend 2020 creating 500-1,000 new ICU beds and training staff / re-training other healthcare staff, accordingly?

    To what end? Increasing ICU capacity by so much won't help keep cases low. It buys you a couple of weeks max before hitting the breaks and needing to lockdown again.
    But will take a lot longer than the 2 weeks you saved to get cases/ICU/hospital numbers down. Also with 1000 ICU beds you will be expecting 9,000 patients in hospital with covid.


  • #8386
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    kippy wrote: »
    There is an end in sight - just with no date on it - apologies for having to point that out - says more about you than me tbh.

    So when is the end can you tell me. Even a ballpark figure. You can say this will end eventually, but saying it's in sight. What do you think the end will be.


  • #8387
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    At the end of the day we will follow what others are doing. Israel had 1000 cases the other day but they also have roughly 50% of people vaccinated. But hospital admissions and deaths have plummeted. They have opened up restaurants gyms cafés etc. Anyone seriously suggesting that when we get to that amount vaccinated (which we should achieve by mid May) we will still be in level 5 need to get a reality check even if cases are high.
    Cannot see government not relaxing some restrictions on April 5th. The 5k will go, you'll bw allowed meet one other family and construction will go back and the rational will be that all hcw, nursing home residents and over 80s are almost all fully vaccinated. That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it 😎


  • #8388
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    covidrelease wrote: »
    "The next three weeks will prove crucial to Ireland’s COVID-19 story and by working together we give ourselves the best chance to slow the spread and save lives."

    The above is from Holohan nearly 12 months ago, you will forgive us if we don't believe this "END IS IN SIGHT" we have been hearing that for nearly a year now.

    A year ago we knew very little, no vaccine in sight. If you think things are the same now as they were a year ago, again, that says more about you than me.
    But this is the type of nonsense we are dealing with.


  • #8389
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    To what end? Increasing ICU capacity by so much won't help keep cases low. It buys you a couple of weeks max before hitting the breaks and needing to lockdown again.
    But will take a lot longer than the 2 weeks you saved to get cases/ICU/hospital numbers down. Also with 1000 ICU beds you will be expecting 9,000 patients in hospital with covid.

    What a terrible take. At 8k cases a day our ICUs weren't full at what they currently are. Doubling our capacity would drastically reduce the length and harshness of restrictions. My god.


  • #8390
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,124 ✭✭✭jackboy


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So when is the end can you tell me. Even a ballpark figure. You can say this will end eventually, but saying it's in sight. What do you think the end will be.

    The end is in sight if the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is supplied as we have been told. That vaccine is the last chance to save the year so all our eggs are now in that basket.


  • #8391
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    kippy wrote: »
    A year ago we knew very little, no vaccine in sight. If you think things are the same now as they were a year ago, again, that says more about you than me.
    But this is the type of nonsense we are dealing with.

    In 3 months we have less people vaccinated than the UK have done in 1 day. You'll forgive everyone if they don't get pumped about the vaccines.


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  • #8392
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So when is the end can you tell me. Even a ballpark figure. You can say this will end eventually, but saying it's in sight. What do you think the end will be.

    I used to think June, at least get the summer, but now I think opening up will be late August, but we will start hearing schools are the priority so we better hold off, then Christmas will be too risky sure look what happened last year.

    April 2022 is a pretty good bet at this stage.


  • #8393
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So when is the end can you tell me. Even a ballpark figure. You can say this will end eventually, but saying it's in sight. What do you think the end will be.

    It depends on what you would mean by the end.
    For me, it'l be this time next year before ALL restrictions are gone.


  • #8394
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    11521323 wrote: »
    In 3 months we have less people vaccinated than the UK have done in 1 day. You'll forgive everyone if they don't get pumped about the vaccines.

    I don't think you can comprehend what I said.


  • #8395
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    This is a tricky one for the government.

    On one hand, cases are going up. Normally not the time to loosen restrictions.

    On the other hand, people are really really fed up. People have had enough of their lives being restricted.

    What on earth can the government do?
    1. A clear plan. Even if it has estimate dates. Businesses need to plan. People need to know that there is an end point. People need things soon to look forward too. Stop making excuses as to why there is no plan, multiple other countries have a plan.
    2. Better communication on causes of the cases. Total transparency. Even if it is not what you want to say. If it is schools, say so. If it is businesses not adhering to WFT, say so. We need transparency to help address route cases.
    3. Better enforcement of existing rules. I know prominent city centre businesses not following the rules.
    4. Vaccinate. Vaccinate. Vaccinate. Campaign for the UK to give us doses asap. Campaign for the US to lift their de-facto export ban. Push the EU to spend more on getting production working faster in the EU. Sort out the AZ/UK mess.
    5. Realisation that case numbers among the young do not equal cases numbers among the old. Our tolerance for case numbers needs to be proportional to the average age of the cases. As the old get vaccinate, our tolerance needs to increase.
    6. Greater focus on the mental health effects of this. My GF is a GP, there is a big mental health crisis out there. When the time is right, reopen gyms, it's a low hanging fruit to help this crisis.


  • #8396
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    kippy wrote: »
    It depends on what you would mean by the end.
    For me, it'l be this time next year before ALL restrictions are gone.

    And then the real crisis will start


  • #8397
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    covidrelease wrote: »
    And gathering indoors, because the much safer option of gathering outdoors is forbidden and enforced by the stazi.

    What, exactly, is the reason why people can't dine outdoors, especially in limited groups?

    Wherever I go I see crowds of young lads in their teens hanging around on their bikes, and young wans congregating. Probably fúck all risk, regardless of them not particularly social distancing, as it's outside.

    Surely if the vast majority of people working inside the likes of Tesco, Woodies etc. are not catching this, groups of 3/4 people having a meal outdoors is not a problem?

    What is the problem with outdoor dining?


  • #8398
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,400 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And then the real crisis will start

    It won't be any worse than anything the country has gone through in the past few hundred years.


  • #8399
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,389 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Does anyone have a link that shows how many people there are in the over 70’s over 60’s and vulnerable groups, etc.
    Be interested to see how many people are in these groups and how long it will take to vaccinate them.
    Hopefully once the above groups are vaccinated we might see restrictions eased.

    Anyone?


  • #8400
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes , he also said they had to choose the timing of a lockdown as compliance will wane after 6/7 weeks
    And here we are on week 12 and they look surprised that compliance is waning

    Exactly. Lockdowns are 5-8 weeks of effective

    We’ve seen this everywhere.

    Nearly 4 months later its the only idea we have

    And there are still people here defending it


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  • #8401
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    its lovely that you think that but as someone who works in a large school in one of those counties, its far from the reality

    Um....I don't envy anyone having to deal with the on/off nature of schools but you actually completed missed the point of my post.


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