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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7922
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Can someone dumb this down for me?

    Glass half full, half empty, i think most would regard it as half full


  • #7923
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    In every post you say this, thatnoone is following restrictions .

    Tell me if that is the case , why are we all so damn sick of those same restrictions?

    A good majority are not following the restrictions. I see it daily and know of people who’ve been cocooning for the past 12 months who’ve given up and are letting people into their houses as the loneliness has got too much. Older people coming shopping now instead of home delivery as they actually resent the government and just don’t care, I don’t blame them! Again top story as I listen to the radio. 500 odd cases but how many are actually seriously sick? In the next 8-10 weeks all of our vulnerable and HCW will be fully vaccinated. Who are we protecting then? Genuine answers?
    And this bollix that a healthy 25 year old could be in icu with covid but that can be said of any respiratory virus or infection! But is it common?


  • #7924
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Glass half full, half empty, i think most would regard it as half full

    Yeah exactly. Nothing to worry about yet.


  • #7925
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Genuine answer. The variants that are emerging have been able to evade immunity. The fact they are more adept at bridging the species barrier would say to me that it has a lot more space to evolve and incubate.

    People saying that there is no evidence that AZ doesn't prevent (double negative) severe disease are right but the trial that showed it didn't work against S.A variant showed no difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated and young people don't generally get hospitalised.

    Thanks for asking and hope that helps. Apologies for the downbeat forecast but what do I know. Feel free to disregard.

    P.S if we are this slow getting the first batch of vaccines out why do we think we'll be quicker with the 2.0 version.

    So does this mean they are evolving through infecting other mammals and mutating further ,then back to humans ?
    This is not good if true.

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  • #7926
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So does this mean they are evolving through infecting other mammals and mutating further ,then back to humans ?
    This is not good if true.

    Spot on. We''ve already seen this with mink (ACE2). The significance with this is it can bind via other receptors which gives it more degrees of freedom to evolve. Not good but not confirmed if it can come back via other receptors in humans.

    https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1373303961554452487?s=20


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  • #7927
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    In every post you say this, thatnoone is following restrictions .

    Tell me if that is the case , why are we all so damn sick of those same restrictions?

    I didn't say no one is following restrictions, but less and less are by the day.

    I know some vulnerable people who completely cocooned since last March and now they are done with restrictions, they have had enough. They have decided to accept the risk in order to live a better quality of life.

    Now if people who are at risk are deciding this then you'll find many others who aren't in the at risk category who are doing the same.

    Too much for too long and you'll find less people will take any notice of these restrictions.


  • #7928
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear of your recent hassles

    I thought they've said hospitals are safe though?

    Safer !
    Still have so many people not vaccinated coming through that it is and won't be for a good while yet fully safe .
    Less cross infection and healthcare clusters but some vulnerable people may not be fit for vaccination or just haven't gotten theirs yet .

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  • #7929
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Locotastic wrote: »
    I didn't say no one is following restrictions, but less and less are by the day.

    I know some vulnerable people who completely cocooned since last March and now they are done with restrictions, they have had enough.

    Too much for too long and you'll find less people will take any notice of these restrictions.

    A sort of Darwinian process where the less sensible put themselves at higher risk, and some end up paying the price ?


  • #7930
    themacattack.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭themacattack.


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    A sort of Darwinian process where the less sensible put themselves at higher risk, and some end up paying the price ?

    maybe they are sensible and taking a calculated risk?maybe they are not afraid of covid?


  • #7931
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    A sort of Darwinian process where the less sensible put themselves at higher risk, and some end up paying the price ?

    No, just people who've decided that they'd rather spend their time living life rather than indefinitely shutting themselves off from the world.

    Personal choice and a decision based on an attitude to risk and sacrifice is actually a measured approach that I'd rather see than people blindly following whatever rule Tony decides to spout on a given day.


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  • #7932
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,969 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I think there needs to be a realization from the powers that we can't get this any further down and me must start opening parts of our economy. Hospitality is a no go but we need to open construction, retail, gyms.


  • #7933
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    A good majority are not following the restrictions. I see it daily and know of people who’ve been cocooning for the past 12 months who’ve given up and are letting people into their houses as the loneliness has got too much. Older people coming shopping now instead of home delivery as they actually resent the government and just don’t care, I don’t blame them! Again top story as I listen to the radio. 500 odd cases but how many are actually seriously sick? In the next 8-10 weeks all of our vulnerable and HCW will be fully vaccinated. Who are we protecting then? Genuine answers?
    And this bollix that a healthy 25 year old could be in icu with covid but that can be said of any respiratory virus or infection! But is it common?

    I am sure some people are not sticking completely to every iota of the restrictions but a lot are and if the majority are then that is enough.
    NPhet said before majority adherence was all that could be aimed for , although they hoped for higher .

    You know of course that percentages of those hospitalised go down, along with deaths, as ages go down in each group.
    However that does not mean that any of those hospitalised cannot end up in ICU , just statistics .
    I have looked after quite a few young people sick with this , but mainly the age groups from mid 40s to mid 60s are just as likely to end up on support in ICU as over 65s , maybe more likely to survive though . That's not ok .
    Going to be a few months yet before they are vaccinated .
    I still do not think that that means we can't gradually ease restrictions before then just not " open all up "

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  • #7934
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭jackboy


    rob316 wrote: »
    I think there needs to be a realization from the powers that we can't get this any further down and me must start opening parts of our economy. Hospitality is a no go but we need to open construction, retail, gyms.

    Construction and retail yes but not gyms. Gyms would be high risk.


  • #7935
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,818 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Locotastic wrote: »
    No, just people who've decided that they'd rather spend their time living life rather than indefinitely shutting themselves off from the world.

    Personal choice and a decision based on an attitude to risk and sacrifice is actually a measured approach that I'd rather see than people blindly following whatever rule Tony decides to spout on a given day.

    Listen, if you could see what I see at work , nobody would want this , or at least not so bad as to be hospitalised .
    I genuinely believe some people have had no actual experience if how sick people can get with it .
    There is a good thread here where people who have had it are relaying their experiences.
    Now bear in mind a lot of those are mild disease so not the full story .
    Thankfully we are on the home stretch and numbers are going down .
    But I dread to think what would have happened if we did not have a vaccine .
    Or if we had not locked down in December , even if that was little late .

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  • #7936
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Hospital stats as of 8 am today
    • Hospitalised: 328 (-8)
    • ICU: 83 (-4)
    • New admissions past 24 hours: 27
    Would be great to get hospital cases down to circa 50 by June, like it was last Summer

    Let C19 twist off again like it did last summer, oooh twist again like you did did last year :D

    Don't come back this time (I doubt that though at least Vac;s should be well up by then)


  • #7937
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But I dread to think what would have happened if we did not have a vaccine .
    Or if we had not locked down in December , even if that was little late .

    Or what if we didn't lockdown in the run up to Christmas and then open up completely for a brief period.

    It was a foolish decision and it might not have been as bad if they had just kept the lower level of restrictions throughout.

    Who knows.


  • #7938
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Steve012 wrote: »
    Let C19 twist off again like it did last summer, oooh twist again like you did did last year


    Lol

    There's a few on here on the sauce tonight


  • #7939
    Dermot224
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Dermot224


    My local park today.3rd Saturday in a row this has been going on. They don't care about restrictions any more. Park ranger turns a blind eye.


  • #7940
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jackboy wrote: »
    Construction and retail yes but not gyms. Gyms would be high risk.

    What I don't understand is why the concept of modified attendance isn't introduced.

    For instance - let's assume that gyms are high-risk. If that's the case, then limit the numbers allowable to attend or introduce a scheme of an appointment-based system. Anything is better than nothing at all.

    This blanket closure - which assumes that it's all or nothing - must be changed; it really must.

    The backlash from the public is now palpable.


  • #7941
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Dermot224 wrote: »
    My local park today.3rd Saturday in a row this has been going on. They don't care about restrictions any more. Park ranger turns a blind eye.

    Whats exactly has been going on?


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  • #7942
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Locotastic wrote: »
    Whats exactly has been going on?

    Probably just people outdoors enjoying themselves!!


  • #7943
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the concept of modified attendance isn't introduced.

    For instance - let's assume that gyms are high-risk. If that's the case, then limit the numbers allowable to attend or introduce a scheme of an appointment-based system. Anything is better than nothing at all.

    This blanket closure - which assumes that it's all or nothing - must be changed; it really must.

    The backlash from the public is now palpable.

    Same with hairdressers, barbers, beauticians, and similar. There is no reason why they should not all be open on a limited basis.

    These are businesses that invested in adapting their business to cater for the advice and they are still shut for the foreseeable.


  • #7944
    themacattack.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭themacattack.


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Probably just people outdoors enjoying themselves!!

    disgusting....off with their heads


  • #7945
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Lol

    There's a few on here on the sauce tonight

    I beg your puddin" only had a glass of wine :D


  • #7946
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,421 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What I don't understand is why the concept of modified attendance isn't introduced.

    For instance - let's assume that gyms are high-risk. If that's the case, then limit the numbers allowable to attend or introduce a scheme of an appointment-based system. Anything is better than nothing at all.

    This blanket closure - which assumes that it's all or nothing - must be changed; it really must.

    The backlash from the public is now palpable.

    I get your thought but realistically it might be financially better to have staff on the pup than on very reduced salary?


  • #7947
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    themacattack. wrote: »
    disgusting....off with their heads

    Yet the person who saw all these people at the park was probably only there on essential business


  • #7948
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Probably just people outdoors enjoying themselves!!

    Oh the humanity! ;)


  • #7949
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Dermot224 wrote: »
    My local park today.3rd Saturday in a row this has been going on. They don't care about restrictions any more. Park ranger turns a blind eye.

    Not much a park ranger can do at the best of times.


  • #7950
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Dermot224 wrote: »
    My local park today.3rd Saturday in a row this has been going on. They don't care about restrictions any more. Park ranger turns a blind eye.

    Where do you live that you have Park ranger's and what sort of powers do they have over there?


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  • #7951
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,520 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    humberklog wrote: »
    Where do you live that you have Park ranger's and what sort of powers do they have over there?

    Don't think the wildlife were social distancing or wearing masks


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