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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7772
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Me too ! Would wear layers and blankets and plonk in my front garden .

    One day last year we were meeting up , a few of us when allowed , of course.
    Lashing rain , freezing cold , umbrellas, blankets , coats , hats , gloves , thermos flasks and mugs and even the odd hot water bottle !
    Have a picture of one friend with a feckin balaclava , fingerless mitts and sitting in a mummy sleeping bag , hilarious .
    We had lovely time , just to meet and chat ;/

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  • #7773
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    I don't understand the rational for 20k. Just make it be within your own county, so it's easier to understand and police.

    But within your own county makes no sense. People in Cork and Galway can travel 100-odd kms but people in Louth and Carlow can’t?

    It’s brain dead stuff. They either want to limit the virus spreading or they don’t. 20km is the same rule for everyone no matter where you live at the very least.


  • #7774
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They'll just stop complying in larger numbers and the anecdotal stuff you read on here about what people are doing may become the norm. That's a lot more mixing and almost certainly a lot more movement.
    Traffic has increased massively in Dublin suburbs so I think the government has lost the people already. What did they expect?. No metrics no plan no hope


  • #7775
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    poppers wrote: »
    I agree with you but if you went by some posts on here youd think that people havent been meeting anyone bar their own family in months.

    Eh, yeah , some of us haven't .
    In fact would even venture most but that may not be palatable for some here .

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  • #7776
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    poppers wrote: »
    I agree with you but if you went by some posts on here youd think that people havent been meeting anyone bar their own family in months.

    There are definitely people who haven’t seen anyone outside their family . Here on my road I am aware of quite a few who have only seen others from outside their garden wall when they drop shopping


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  • #7777
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But within your own county makes no sense. People in Cork and Galway can travel 100-odd kms but people in Louth and Carlow can’t?

    It’s brain dead stuff. They either want to limit the virus spreading or they don’t. 20km is the same rule for everyone no matter where you live at the very least.


    Especially when parts of eg Carlow and Leitrim are sandwiched between other counties. 20 km would be great.

    We have to drive 30 km a couple of times of week for essential reasons and it does ease the burden mentally to get out in a limited way.

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  • #7778
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    shamco wrote: »
    Traffic has increased massively in Dublin suburbs so I think the government has lost the people already. What did they expect?. No metrics no plan no hope

    A lot of public service jobs are back in offices instead of wfh as they were
    It's a joke when you hear Nolan talking about mobility and people going to work , when its government that are the main employer responsible for this , in Dublin anyhow !

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  • #7779
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes.
    Dublin is a disaster in areas of higher density with not enough places for people to walk in Nature and keep distanced.
    So that would be the fault of successive governments allowing this type of development where builders pay the council money to avoid having green areas , and chipping away at the parks we have to build apartment blocks .
    Reaping the benefits now so ;(

    Any examples of builders doing this or are you just throwing out unbacked claims against builders and councils?

    And have you anything to show how lack of green areas leads to increased covid rates in those areas? Offaly has highest rates in Ireland and has lots of green (and brown) areas.


  • #7780
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,421 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    fits wrote: »
    Especially when parts of eg Carlow and Leitrim are sandwiched between other counties. 20 km would be great.

    20k allows me access to facilities (lakes, rivers, parks, coast etc) in 4 counties.


  • #7781
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Klonker wrote: »
    Any examples of builders doing this or are you just throwing out unbacked claims against builders and councils?


    This entire country is built on brown envelopes

    The building industry especially


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  • #7782
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    A lot of public service jobs are back in offices instead of wfh as they were
    It's a joke when you hear Nolan talking about mobility and people going to work , when its government that are the main employer responsible for this , in Dublin anyhow !

    And outside of it too. Public sector should be leading the way where possible especially when not experiencing the financial burdens a lot of private enterprises are.

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  • #7783
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Do what they want to do . Meet with friends and family . If its not allowed to meet outdoors it will quite simply drive them indoors .

    I get ya but I am kind of presuming most are doing that anyway....I meant more beyond that if that makes sense...


  • #7784
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,231 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    20k allows me access to facilities (lakes, rivers, parks, coast etc) in 4 counties.

    3 for me! Trying to guess where you are now 😀

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  • #7785
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    20k allows me access to facilities (lakes, rivers, parks, coast etc) in 4 counties.
    Time to check the map again!
    https://2kmfromhome.com/20km


  • #7786
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭boardise


    Faugheen wrote: »
    But within your own county makes no sense. People in Cork and Galway can travel 100-odd kms but people in Louth and Carlow can’t?

    It’s brain dead stuff. They either want to limit the virus spreading or they don’t. 20km is the same rule for everyone no matter where you live at the very least.

    20km would be preferable -gives reasonable scope and psychological relief.

    In the case of Limerick- there's a rate of over 200 per 100K/14 day in the east city/suburbs but in the west from Adare to NCW the rate is only quarter that. Stopping even part of a westward drift would be a help.
    I imagine there other counties with similar areal imbalances.


  • #7787
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    I don't think a lot of people are heeding the restrictions any more. To think that 20kms would be great just indicates how institutionalised some people have become in their thinking.

    The tone of language used by the government too, allowed, permitted, restrictions ad nauseum.

    I don't want to be told what I can or cannot do indefinitely and I dont want children growing up today to accept this as their lot and also become institutionalised.

    Personal responsibility and taking care of what's best for ourselves and our families and making decisions based on that. I don't blame people for meeting up or travelling to see friends or relatives, there's only so long that people can follow restrictions for and that time has passed.


  • #7788
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Anyone have a handle on how much weekly increase in cases might be offset by the weekly increase in vaccinations?

    Or is any increase at all now a very slippery slope?

    What is the end game?

    To keep the hospitals in working order until enough have received vaccinations or is it more complicated than that?

    Is it vital to not reverse any relaxation in restrictions since the time for any changes to take effect is so great?


  • #7789
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1373292659360550912

    Where did the 20km come from. Gov.ie from what I see states 3 options 5km, county only and no travel restrictions. A case of making up as they go along and restrictions on April 5th to be called minus 5 instead of level 4?


  • #7790
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    amandstu wrote: »
    Anyone have a handle on how much weekly increase in cases might be offset by the weekly increase in vaccinations?

    Or is any increase at all now a very slippery slope?

    What is the end game?

    To keep the hospitals in working order until enough have received vaccinations or is it more complicated than that?

    Is it vital to not reverse any relaxation in restrictions since the time for any changes to take effect is so great?

    Well the first relaxations we want to see is the full resumption of non emergency non covid health care.

    To do that we want icu numbers below 50. We are not there now. If we keep our case numbers at the current level it might be a month before we get there with very little scope for cases to rise.

    Any increase could be a a slippery slope.

    I'd say 1000 cases a day with over 65s vaccinated would have a similar effect on the health service to 600 cases a day with no vaccines.

    We aren't really in a position where short term increases in vaccination numbers will really move the needle.


  • #7791
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Well the first relaxations we want to see is the full resumption of non emergency non covid health care.

    To do that we want icu numbers below 50. We are not there now. If we keep our case numbers at the current level it might be a month before we get there with very little scope for cases to rise.

    Any increase could be a a slippery slope.

    The above isnt realistic . Better of saying until the adult population is vaccinated

    If we get down to 40 and ease restrictions ICU numbers will be above 50 again within a very quick timeframe . Do we close down again ? Even as things are now with Schools and soon to be construction open getting ICU under 50 will take a number of months

    There is no living with it in the plan and no appetite to do so


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  • #7792
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Klonker wrote: »
    Any examples of builders doing this or are you just throwing out unbacked claims against builders and councils?

    And have you anything to show how lack of green areas leads to increased covid rates in those areas? Offaly has highest rates in Ireland and has lots of green (and brown) areas.

    There are many examples of new developments around Dublin where green areas have been ditched, legally allowed by the way, through a loophole where developers can pay an extra subsidy to the council of they do not have the permitted square metre green space per housing .
    You can look that up for yourself at the relevant planning authority or ho ask on the Construction and Planning forum if you don't believe me , which my the rude tone of your post you obviously didn't .
    .
    It is common sense that people need green space to excercise or they will gather in houses and apartments ,

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  • #7793
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    The above isnt realistic . Better of saying until the adult population is vaccinated

    If we get down to 40 and ease restrictions ICU numbers will be above 50 again within a very quick timeframe . Do we close down again ? Even as things are now with Schools and soon to be construction open getting ICU under 50 will take a number of months

    There is no living with it in the plan and no appetite to do so

    The thing is we have almost the exact same restrictions we had in early January.

    The level of activity is probably 20 or 30 times higher.

    As a community people havw decided to ignore the restrictions so there's been no ability to bring numbers down.

    If we kept to early January level of behaviour and we were around 100 cases and 20 in icu at the moment we could talk about level 3 and let the numbers rise over 10 weeks where we would have enough people vaccinated by the time the numbers got high not to worry about it.

    I do feel at the moment it will be high level of restrictions until the bulk have been vaccinated.


  • #7794
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    blowitupref wrote: »
    Where did the 20km come from. Gov.ie from what I see states 3 options 5km, county only and no travel restrictions. A case of making up as they go along and restrictions on April 5th to be called minus 5 instead of level 4?

    They are making it up as they go along.

    It's sad to see the government dangling carrots like this to people and even sadder to see people waiting in anticipation to be told what they are and aren't allowed to do by a clueless government.

    Its like telling a child if they're good and eat all their dinner they'll be allowed to get some ice cream after. It's pathetic.


  • #7795
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1373292659360550912

    Handy for kids or people with kids. Feck all for the rest of us.


  • #7796
    Xenji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Yesterday with some good weather you would not think there was a pandemic going on, at least 100 people on a green area across the road from a Garda station in multiple groups and hardly any masks.

    The only difference was no non essential retail open and no hospitality, supermarkets, garden centers and electrical stores packed.

    It's level 5 in name only at this point, even driving too a different county for work reasons I have not seen a checkpoint in a month.


  • #7797
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    long line of cars at the testing centre at Citywest


  • #7798
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Am I dreaming or did we have a 20 kms restriction before ? I am getting my lockdowns mixed up at this stage to be fair


  • #7799
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Am I dreaming or did we have a 20 kms restriction before ? I am getting my lockdowns mixed up at this stage to be fair

    I don't think so. Original one went from 2 to 5 to county. And this is just 5 to infer county so just seems a new one.


  • #7800
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The thing is we have almost the exact same restrictions we had in early January.

    The level of activity is probably 20 or 30 times higher.

    As a community people havw decided to ignore the restrictions so there's been no ability to bring numbers down.

    If we kept to early January level of behaviour and we were around 100 cases and 20 in icu at the moment we could talk about level 3 and let the numbers rise over 10 weeks where we would have enough people vaccinated by the time the numbers got high not to worry about it.

    I do feel at the moment it will be high level of restrictions until the bulk have been vaccinated.

    Schools went back 2/3 weeks ago after being off the whole of January with a new variant that was more transmissible. No student or teacher has been vaccinated . That's at least 100k people .

    Construction will now go back in 2 weeks . 100k more unvaccinated people

    How it can be all blamed on the public I don't know . I agree people are moving around more . I don't agree it's the main reason at all .


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  • #7801
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,725 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Am I dreaming or did we have a 20 kms restriction before ? I am getting my lockdowns mixed up at this stage to be fair

    I think it was 20km from home if you were not in your own county, unlimited in your county


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