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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7682
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Astrazeneca death by blood clotting might sussed :


    https://www.dw.com/en/astrazeneca-german-team-discovers-thrombosis-trigger/a-56925550

    Something positive.


  • #7683
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,447 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Monster249 wrote:
    "Stay the course"

    Can I ask a serious question? How long are you willing to stay in lockdown because the Government tell you it's needed? Indefinitely?
    I found it very easy to do the right thing all along but the last three weeks have been tough. I'm struggling with it now.
    Still my target is to stay safe until I get a vaccine and then start meeting up with others who've also got the vaccine. That's what I'm looking forward to.


  • #7684
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FishOnABike wrote: »
    That would depend on what happens to the rising trend in the R0 value. If the trend continues and it goes above 1 then we've taken one step forward only to have to take two steps backward again to recover lost ground.

    Given the rise from last summer and the spike after Christmas I think lifting of restrictions will have to be slow and in small steps to allow the effect of each step to be established before taking the next step.

    Even then life could throw a curve ball that could undo it all and require reinstating stronger restrictions again.

    There are so many variables and interdependencies it doesn't lend itself to a simple rule. A blend of a number of different models which may constantly be being updated and tweaked as we learn more about the virus, treatments, social factors and many other elements can't be meaningfully distilled to a soundbyte or headline

    Stable cases and an r0 close to 1, even slightly above is grand busting a vaccine rollout. You may have upward pressure on the r0 from reduced restrictions, but you will have downward pressure from the vaccine effect. This combined with more and more of the vulnerable being vaccinated means that a reproduction rate slightly over 1 is well manageable. The fact that 20-25% have either had the virus or been vaccinated already will be reducing the inherent r0 somewhat already


  • #7685
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭jackboy


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    That's mad as every construction site I see on my walks around Dublin are empty. They must be special :)

    The large construction sites may be empty but that doesn’t mean that the workers are not on smaller jobs. In the west of Ireland construction is booming at the moment with no effort to hide it. I noticed this on a drive around on st Patrick’s day, builders everywhere doing small jobs.


  • #7686
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,836 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    jackboy wrote: »
    The large construction sites may be empty but that doesn’t mean that the workers are not on smaller jobs. In the west of Ireland construction is booming at the moment with no effort to hide it. I noticed this on a drive around on st Patrick’s day, builders everywhere doing small jobs.

    Heard the same from as building supplier... All the jobs that were neglected by lads as they headed for the sites in Dublin are getting done now as these lads have all left Dublin and headed back home until the sites reopen.


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  • #7687
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,805 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    jackboy wrote: »
    The large construction sites may be empty but that doesn’t mean that the workers are not on smaller jobs. In the west of Ireland construction is booming at the moment with no effort to hide it. I noticed this on a drive around on st Patrick’s day, builders everywhere doing small jobs.

    a 40 house project in a small town I live in opened up again a few weeks ago. on a main road so not exactly hidden.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #7688
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Injuryprone wrote: »
    Didn't plenty of gaa teams have outbreaks last summer

    From dressing rooms, not playing sports.


  • #7689
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    That's mad as every construction site I see on my walks around Dublin are empty. They must be special :)

    All relatively small jobs, house renovations etc, handful of workers on site but there are three alone open in the middle of the town i live in


  • #7690
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Eod100 wrote: »
    "It is expected the 5km exercise limit will be lifted, with ministers set to debate whether to extend it to 10km, 20km or within counties."

    Wonder will they split the difference and go with 20km?

    No word on being able to meet more people outside, thought that might be part of discussion but could still be. Doesn't seem to be a whole lot else besides construction which was expected.
    We've seen these sort of leaks before at Christmas, and it was a disaster.

    You can't both relax restrictions and simultaneously ask people to reduce their contacts. You're sending out conflicting messages, and people will assume as restrictions are easing that things are getting better.

    If NPHET are worried about cases rising, politicians need stop talking about relaxing restrictions. Full stop.

    Despite all their expensive PR advisors, the Government seems to have no clue about how human nature works. They'd be much better off focusing on encouraging people to hang-on doing what they are doing until vaccine supply ramps up.


  • #7691
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Still my target is to stay safe until I get a vaccine and then start meeting up with others who've also got the vaccine. That's what I'm looking forward to.

    Anecdotally that seems to be the general view of lots of people I know of. It’s been a really sh1t last 3 months but I kind of rationalise it (in my own head anyway !) by saying it’s April in a few days, they’re saying we’ll almost all have our first jabs come June, it’s really only two months away. Now I know that’s a bit selective but it gives me a target or some light at the end of the tunnel no matter what level of restrictions we’re at.


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  • #7692
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    hmmm wrote: »
    We've seen these sort of leaks before at Christmas, and it was a disaster.

    You can't both relax restrictions and simultaneously ask people to reduce their contacts. You're sending out conflicting messages, and people will assume as restrictions are easing that things are getting better.

    If NPHET are worried about cases rising, politicians need stop talking about relaxing restrictions. Full stop.

    Despite all their expensive PR advisors, the Government seems to have no clue about how human nature works. They'd be much better off focusing on encouraging people to hang-on doing what they are doing until vaccine supply ramps up.

    They really should stop talking about lifting restrictions on a given date unless it only a day or two away. If you suggest something will be lifted in two weeks time people will start acting like it’s lifted now.


  • #7693
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.


  • #7694
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Russman wrote: »
    They really should stop talking about lifting restrictions on a given date unless it only a day or two away. If you suggest something will be lifted in two weeks time people will start acting like it’s lifted now.
    Exactly yes.

    We know from previous "waves" that people start to act before Governments do or say anything - they start to reduce activity before lockdowns are announced, and they also relax restrictions before they are lifted. Words, rumours, leaks, matter.

    It's clear from recent figures that we are heading possibly towards trouble in the short term. We still have a way to go and are in a race between the virus and the vaccinations.


  • #7695
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Stable cases and an r0 close to 1, even slightly above is grand busting a vaccine rollout. You may have upward pressure on the r0 from reduced restrictions, but you will have downward pressure from the vaccine effect. This combined with more and more of the vulnerable being vaccinated means that a reproduction rate slightly over 1 is well manageable. The fact that 20-25% have either had the virus or been vaccinated already will be reducing the inherent r0 somewhat already

    It's a balancing act alright. If case numbers are stable it suggests we've got the balance right for the prevailing conditions.

    As a greater proportion of the population is vaccinated we can open up more while still maintaining that balance but will only be able to use the headroom provided by declining numbers of cases and hospitalisations to open up just enough while avoiding going too far and resulting in increasing numbers again.

    I'm reminded of Angels Merkel's comment from mid April 2020 where she explained that 'If the reproduction number of one were to go up to 1.1, the German health system could be overwhelmed by October. If it were to go up to 1.2, hospitals could reach a crisis point in July, and if it went up to 1.3 the crisis point would come in June.'

    The slower numbers are falling the less scope we have to open up more and I think we will need some buffer to allow for reduced compliance over time.


  • #7696
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.

    Load of rubbish.


  • #7697
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Load of rubbish.

    Well thought out and reasoned argument against his point of view :)


  • #7698
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,615 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Russman wrote: »
    Anecdotally that seems to be the general view of lots of people I know of. It’s been a really sh1t last 3 months but I kind of rationalise it (in my own head anyway !) by saying it’s April in a few days, they’re saying we’ll almost all have our first jabs come June, it’s really only two months away. Now I know that’s a bit selective but it gives me a target or some light at the end of the tunnel no matter what level of restrictions we’re at.

    Just 3% of the population have been fully vaccinated in the last 3 months while less than 10% have got first dose. It's simply incredulous that they'll get everyone else sorted out by June with a first jab.


  • #7699
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Well thought out and reasoned argument against his point of view :)

    Don't think I need one in response to stuff like this about people like Tony Holohan "They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them."

    A person doesn't get to be in Holohan's position by being a friendless social hermit.


  • #7700
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Just 3% of the population have been fully vaccinated in the last 3 months while less than 10% have got first dose. It's simply incredulous that they'll get everyone else sorted out by June with a first jab.
    Supply was always going to be very limited in the first quarter. There is new production facilities coming on-stream all the time, we are going to see a big increase in supply. I'm not sure how quickly it will increase, but you can't extrapolate from the first 3 months to the new 3 months.


  • #7701
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Well thought out and reasoned argument against his point of view :)

    The argument doesn't deserve the credence, it's without foundation, you can reach top level in your field; in academia and still lead a social life; have friends, poppycock to suggest it's not mutually exclusive.

    The level of debate here sometimes reaches infantile levels of dizzying heights.


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  • #7702
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Just 3% of the population have been fully vaccinated in the last 3 months while less than 10% have got first dose. It's simply incredulous that they'll get everyone else sorted out by June with a first jab.

    Not really. We've used up all supplies to date (other than the AZ stumble this week). We have 10000 vaccinators trained and ready to go.I've no doubt we'll get close to 80% of adults with a first dose by end of June.


  • #7703
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.

    How do you know what Sam McConkey or Tony Holohan did or didn't do?

    Holohan at the very least has made it clear that he enjoys going for a pint in the local.

    It's just more stereotypical generalisations that have been imported here from what is portrayed in American TV shows.


  • #7704
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,517 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    From dressing rooms, not playing sports.

    Couldn't be from dressing rooms because they weren't opened up,teams had to tog out in their cars. Any cases linked to Gaa teams last year were probably picked up by players socialising afterwards either at house parties or pubs


  • #7705
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭poppers


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Load of rubbish.

    Have to agree when i was in college the med students were well able to party just like the rest of us.


  • #7706
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 513 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.

    Jayziz, ya have to be stupah to have friends, wha...


  • #7707
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.


    We have reached hysteria level 1000, speculating on what Nephet got up to in their early 20s.

    BTW, I'd hazard a guess they are probably much more intelligent, both socially and intellectually than most of the conspiracy Karens and Kevins typing furiously from the couch.


  • #7708
    Wearing of The Green
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 92 ✭✭Wearing of The Green


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.

    One of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read.

    Did you see Luke O'Neill singing on NYE on RTE? He really looked socially inadequate.


  • #7709
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    I find it funny that people don't seem to realise that NPHET folk, celebrity Immunologists, Virologists etc, people who got 600 odd points in the leaving cert and dedicated their lives to academia, don't seem to understand social norms and how normal people think.

    The country is currently being run by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers. They are emotionally and socially deficient. Nobody reaches the positions that they have done whilst having an active social life. The likes Sam McConkey and Tony Holohan when they were in college didn't get their results and go on the tear for a couple of days. They were likely friendless and social hermets. They don't understand what is going on with the public. It just doesn't register with them.
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Holohan is most likely a sociopath.

    There are 2 types that get involved with medicine after their near 600 point leaving cert.

    There are the people who generally want to help others and save lives. They are still on the wards and in practice.

    Then there are the Holohans and Varadkars of this world. They want the prestige of being a doctor. Then when they make it, they want to further enhance their role. They are in a job where nobody is impressed with their title, because everyone is the same. So they want more. Holohan through careerism and Varadkar wanted even more via politics.

    Threadbanned

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  • #7710
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,956 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Well thought out and reasoned argument against his point of view :)

    Come on, it was a stupid post, full of wild baseless generalisations. Pointless even trying to argue against it.


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  • #7711
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Hahaha.


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