Joe Biden Presidency thread Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21

uptherebels · 20-03-2021 11:23AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

If Trump fell like that it would have been all over the news. Biden looks weak on the world stage falling like that so yes it's an issue.

But you need to remember, Trump got his personal doctor to say that he "will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency”. And "His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary.” so you would expect that to be news. Also if Trump fell like that he would have needed to be airlifted to hospital.
Falling up steps doesn't make you look weak, it's embarrassing yes but not a sign of weakness. Having trouble lifting a glass of water or walking unassisted down a small ramp on the other hand.....

Water John · 20-03-2021 11:40AM

Well what we call the Spanish Flu of 1918/19 actually originated in the US. It killed many millions. Never heard of any compo from the US.
If there is any proof of negligence by the Chinese, then compo would be in order.
BTW it wasn't 1917.

duploelabs · 20-03-2021 11:47AM

Naming a virus after the place it originated is xenophobic racist dog whistling, plain and simple, as detailed above the Spanish flu was named as such because in the era of ww1, all other press agencies were still in wartime propaganda mode and the Spanish press were the only ones without those restrictions and hence were the only ones who reported it. It never originated in Spain.

duploelabs · 20-03-2021 11:49AM

Gas that the Republican press are pushing for this

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/vladimir-putin-joe-biden-debate

1800_Ladladlad · 20-03-2021 11:55AM

weisses wrote: »

It probably had to do with Trumps constant bragging how fit and smart he is and then at the same time is unable to close an umbrella and walk of a ramp

Well this didn't age well. People tying themselves in knots for the sake of

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1372952924804894731

ollkiller · 20-03-2021 11:57AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

do they? with SW, the idea is giving people with no job more money, will stimulate the economy. (but they for the most part aren't going to work anyway).

as in, those people wont hoard that extra money in a deposit account but get out and spend it.

minimum wage could be the same. more spending.

i think (i will stress that :pac:), it will shut down a lot of smaller businesses cos they cant afford the 4 college students for a few months of the summer.
i dont know if its been accounted for (it must have been) how the trickle up affect of minimum wage will work.
as in, if i'm managing 4 students on minimum wage and their wage increases ~15%, your damn well sure i'm looking for a similar increase.
in the end, someone gets laid off, and the 4 remaining workers are earning more.

If a business cannot survive when paying it's workers a minimum wage then that business should fail. And plenty of companies will he willing to take that place in the market and operate a business where it can both make profit and pay the minimum wage.

Actually arguing against a minimum wage is endorsing slave labour.

Igotadose · 20-03-2021 11:58AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The report into anti asian hate increase is rather odd, it only specifies perpetrator ethnicity when the perp is white in any of the examples, despite most singular incidents in newspapers etc.. specifying either asian perpetrators (usually of anti china verbal harassment ) or black perpetrators harassing store owners in low income areas.
https://secureservercdn.net/104.238.69.231/a1w.90d.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/210312-Stop-AAPI-Hate-National-Report-.pdf

This report doesn't specify perpetrator ethnicity. It talks about respondents, those reporting.

Melanchthon · 20-03-2021 12:05PM

Igotadose wrote: »

Uhhh... do we have to spell it out for you?

Yeah you are?

duploelabs wrote: »

Naming a virus after the place it originated is xenophobic racist dog whistling, plain and simple, as detailed above the Spanish flu was named as such because in the era of ww1, all other press agencies were still in wartime propaganda mode and the Spanish press were the only ones without those restrictions and hence were the only ones who reported it. It never originated in Spain.

I get this argument, but you all keep not explaining why if this is the case why the hell is it ok to refer to the variants by geographical name, they have proper designations? How does what your saying not apply to the variants? Particularly when two of the variants of concern are South Africa and Brazil.

everlast75 · 20-03-2021 12:10PM

Calling it the chinese virus has the potential to cause harm to innocent asian people.

It has a scientific name. Just call it that.

It's not ****ing rocket science, nor that big of an ask.

PS - if you've a problem with the chinese, you should probably boycott their products. Have a look at that smartphone in your hand for a start.

eagle eye · 20-03-2021 12:15PM

duploelabs wrote:

Naming a virus after the place it originated is xenophobic racist dog whistling, plain and simple,

That's ridiculous.

joe40 · 20-03-2021 12:23PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah you are?

I get this argument, but you all keep not explaining why if this is the case why the hell is it ok to refer to the variants by geographical name, they have proper designations? How does what your saying not apply to the variants? Particularly when two of the variants of concern are South Africa and Brazil.

It all depends on the intent when using the geographical name.
I know the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain, but even if it had, the term Spanish flu was not taken as any sort of slight or insult to Spain.
Trump's use of the term Chinese flu or even "Kung flu" were purely for inflammatory effect. The term coronavirus virus was known globally.
That is a simple concept.

In relation to the term UK variant or SA variant I don't think the term are meant as antagonistic, if they are then alternative terms should be used.

duploelabs · 20-03-2021 12:43PM

eagle eye wrote: »

That's ridiculous.

An adroit counter to my statement, can you qualify it?

charlie_says · 20-03-2021 12:44PM

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1373112780895744004?s=19

This seems odd.

I spoke with a GP yesterday and asked them if any fall of a 78 year old was significant and she responded that it was and as matter of course she asks all patients over of the age of 75 if they have had a fall recently and how is their mobility in the first few minutes of any consultation.

namloc1980 · 20-03-2021 12:47PM

charlie_says wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1373112780895744004?s=19

This seems odd.

I spoke with a GP yesterday and asked them if any fall of a 78 year old was significant and she responded that it was and as matter of course she asks all patients over of the age of 75 if they have had a fall recently and how is their mobility in the first few minutes of any consultation.

You spoke to a GP about Biden falling. Man, that's a serious case of Biden Derangement Syndrome right there. You should talk to her about that.

newhouse87 · 20-03-2021 12:48PM

He fell it happens, but why did a wh spokesperson say oh its windy. Jesus just say he fell on a step.

Eric Cartman · 20-03-2021 12:48PM

charlie_says wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1373112780895744004?s=19

This seems odd.

I spoke with a GP yesterday and asked them if any fall of a 78 year old was significant and she responded that it was and as matter of course she asks all patients over of the age of 75 if they have had a fall recently and how is their mobility in the first few minutes of any consultation.

Social Media Censorship has become this administrations best friend

charlie_says · 20-03-2021 12:50PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Well this didn't age well. People tying themselves in knots for the sake of

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1372952924804894731

Yes, I agree. The oneupmanship carousel never stops.

Twitter has successfully gamified this kind of snark conversation which is damaging to everyone in my opinion. Even more so if some snark is more equal than other snark with the labeling and removal of certain comments based on who the source or who the target of the quip.

20-03-2021 12:50PM

charlie_says wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1373112780895744004?s=19

This seems odd.

I spoke with a GP yesterday and asked them if any fall of a 78 year old was significant and she responded that it was and as matter of course she asks all patients over of the age of 75 if they have had a fall recently and how is their mobility in the first few minutes of any consultation.

Thing is, this was tripping on steps. It's something that can happen with anyone. On top of that, his health is constantly monitored and he's comfortably cycling and doing weights. That's stuff that the average 78 year old doesn't do. At worst, he ran too quickly up the steps.

20-03-2021 12:56PM

newhouse87 wrote: »

He fell it happens, but why did a wh spokesperson say oh its windy. Jesus just say he fell on a step.

It was a very bizarre response.

80-year-old stumbles while trotting up steps - hardly the end of the world.

The wind blowing over the president would be far more concerning.

eagle eye · 20-03-2021 01:02PM

duploelabs wrote:

An adroit counter to my statement, can you qualify it?

Naming a virus after where it originated is in no way Xenophobic. There are many things in the world named after where they originated.

namloc1980 · 20-03-2021 01:02PM

He probably just needs to take it handier in future. In fairness I wouldn't run up those airplane steps and I'm half his age.

duploelabs · 20-03-2021 01:04PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Naming a virus after where it originated is in no way Xenophobic. There are many things in the world named after where they originated.

Things? What about diseases??

Melanchthon · 20-03-2021 01:19PM

joe40 wrote: »

It all depends on the intent when using the geographical name.
I know the Spanish flu did not originate in Spain, but even if it had, the term Spanish flu was not taken as any sort of slight or insult to Spain.
Trump's use of the term Chinese flu or even "Kung flu" were purely for inflammatory effect. The term coronavirus virus was known globally.
That is a simple concept.

In relation to the term UK variant or SA variant I don't think the term are meant as antagonistic, if they are then alternative terms should be used.

So it's basically all about intent? As I said I don't like terms like wu-flu and so on but something like Chinese/Wuhan Coronavirus should be ok if Brazilian variant is also ok they are both accurate.
Anyway I understand why Biden is doing it due to anti East Asian discrimination but I hope it's not a sign that the Chinese government isn't being let of the hook. I thought the WHO audio leaks would be a much bigger story. On that note has there been any news on WHO reform or criticism from the Biden administration, it's initial advice appears to have actually been harmful and motivated by political concerns.

eagle eye · 20-03-2021 01:45PM

duploelabs wrote:

Things? What about diseases??

It doesn't matter what it is. It originated in China and as such the China virus is a good descriptor of what it actually is.
Just because Trump said it doesn't mean it's xenophobic.
I'm not defending Trump here in any way.

extra gravy · 20-03-2021 01:49PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It doesn't matter what it is. It originated in China and as such the China virus is a good descriptor of what it actually is.
Just because Trump said it doesn't mean it's xenophobic.
I'm not defending Trump here in any way.

Why hasn't any other world leader or politician called it that then if it's such a good descriptor? You know why. Trump knew exactly what he was doing and we've seen the consequences.

duploelabs · 20-03-2021 02:04PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It doesn't matter what it is. It originated in China and as such the China virus is a good descriptor of what it actually is.
Just because Trump said it doesn't mean it's xenophobic.
I'm not defending Trump here in any way.

I didn't bring trump into it whatsoever.

There's a reason why swine flu isn't called the Mexican flu, or HIV isn't the gay disease. When you name a disease after where it originated, then the people who 'come from' (or appear to come from there) there get associated with the disease.

Ask anyone who has the surname of Ward or Joyce who isn't from 'that' specific ethnic background how hard it is to book a hotel

salmocab · 20-03-2021 02:08PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It doesn't matter what it is. It originated in China and as such the China virus is a good descriptor of what it actually is.
Just because Trump said it doesn't mean it's xenophobic.
I'm not defending Trump here in any way.

It’s not a good descriptor at all as it has a proper name that’s in use all all over the world. Using a different term to the one in common usage serves no purpose other than to associate words with the virus, in this case China and anyone that thinks that it wasn’t a calculated move by Trump is a fool.

eagle eye · 20-03-2021 02:36PM

salmocab wrote:

Itâ€™s not a good descriptor at all as it has a proper name thatâ€™s in use all all over the world. Using a different term to the one in common usage serves no purpose other than to associate words with the virus, in this case China and anyone that thinks that it wasnâ€™t a calculated move by Trump is a fool.

Well you give Trump more credit than I do. Might be simply that he forgot the real name and used that instead. I think that's more likely than him being intelligent and calculating while on stage.

eagle eye · 20-03-2021 02:38PM

duploelabs wrote:

There's a reason why swine flu isn't called the Mexican flu, or HIV isn't the gay disease. When you name a disease after where it originated, then the people who 'come from' (or appear to come from there) there get associated with the disease.

I understand why it's not used. It still doesn't make it Xenophobic to use it.

duploelabs wrote:

Ask anyone who has the surname of Ward or Joyce who isn't from 'that' specific ethnic background how hard it is to book a hotel

I personally know lots of people with those surnames who are not travellers and nine if them have ever mentioned any issues such as you are suggesting.

Leroy42 · 20-03-2021 02:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well you give Trump more credit than I do. Might be simply that he forgot the real name and used that instead. I think that's more likely than him being intelligent and calculating while on stage.

Fine, if it happened once.

But it was very clearly a strategy to blame China, and thus absolve himself, from the effects.

Much easier to blame them over there than look at ones own response.

It might have started as a simple forgetting, or slip up, but he ran with it and he, his press team, the GOP and the right wing media, certainly ran with it.

He could easily have stopped it but chose not to.

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