Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

Rows Grower · 18-03-2021 10:07AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think Michael has more on his plate for the running of this country rather than worrying whether LV ‘walks’ or not.

Some folk actually have a genuine concern for their country dude.

The vast majority have a genuine concern for their country dude, that's why they didn't vote for Leo and his team at the last election.

FrancieBrady · 18-03-2021 10:17AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

The vast majority have a genuine concern for their country dude, that's why they didn't vote for Leo and his team at the last election.

The fact that 78% got FG anyway will have a bearing on future elections if this 'coalescing' to maintain the power is going to be a thing.
Will the electorate put up with the lying about 'not going into coalition with x' or 'would you put John Delaney back in control of the FAI' rhetoric?

Brendan Bendar · 18-03-2021 10:20AM

Rows Grower wrote: »

The vast majority have a genuine concern for their country dude, that's why they didn't vote for Leo and his team at the last election.

Hmmmm........ wonder why they are in Govt. then ?

I must have slept through the coup when no one would touch the alleged ‘winners’

Why would no one touch them with a forty foot pole ?

Has me fierce puzzelated,so it has.

Any ideas, Bub.

happyoutscan · 18-03-2021 10:21AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think Michael has more on his plate for the running of this country rather than worrying whether LV ‘walks’ or not.

It's quite apparent he has too much on his plate when it comes to running this country. Worst ever.

FrancieBrady · 18-03-2021 10:26AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Hmmmm........ wonder why they are in Govt. then ?

I must have slept through the coup when no one would touch the alleged ‘winners’

Why would no one touch them with a forty foot pole ?

Has me fierce puzzelated,so it has.

Any ideas, Bub.

Because it would have meant the end of the power swap/control Brendi. That is why they didn't.
Michael did the usual stock thing that FG and FF have done since the foundation of the state. He pretended/lied that he wouldn't coalesce with anyone, then when the count began and it looked like he would have a 50+ majority and would be the largest party he opened the door to SF...then shut it again when it turned out they wouldn't get those seat numbers after all and that he might not get the first go at being Taoiseach.

Cynical all day long. And he fooled very few but the most blinkered.

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 12:04PM

Must be the only government in the world that wants to keep Covid going,

McMurphy · 18-03-2021 12:19PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think Michael has more on his plate for the running of this country rather than worrying whether LV ‘walks’ or not.

Some folk actually have a genuine concern for their country dude.

Maybe - but does that not prove my point?

He was quite prepared for the last govt to collapse over Fitzgerald resigning, her fate and the running of the country was in his hands.

Will be interesting to learn what this whistleblower has said in his or her protective disclosure Brenner, AGS definitely think whatever it is, and whatever Simon told them is worth looking at.

Surely must be unprecedented to have a past Taoiseach, sitting Tanaiste to be a suspect in a criminal investigation.

Months and months of entertainment to look forward to with this one horse.

Bubbaclaus · 18-03-2021 01:09PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Must be the only government in the world that wants to keep Covid going,

?

James Brown · 18-03-2021 01:14PM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Why didn't Mary Lou demand Gerry Adams stand down while the PSNI arrested him and were investigating him re a crime: Jean McConville’s murder in 2014?
Double standards?

Adams claimed he was innocent.
Varadkar confessed.

FrancieBrady · 18-03-2021 01:27PM

James Brown wrote: »

Adams claimed he was innocent.
Varadkar confessed.

I don't think anyone has asked that Varadkar step aside from leading FG either. Many hope FG are going to keep him as leader I would suspect.

McMurphy · 18-03-2021 01:42PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't think anyone has asked that Varadkar step aside from leading FG either. Many hope FG are going to keep him as leader I would suspect.

Oh definitely, and I hope that he leads them into any new election also, his last achievement in that regard was outstanding.

Think his performance was only topped by one other leader, second worst election result for FG since the party was formed.

There's a record still to be broken Leo. Go for it chief.

markodaly · 18-03-2021 02:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The fact that 78% got FG anyway will have a bearing on future elections if this 'coalescing' to maintain the power is going to be a thing.
Will the electorate put up with the lying about 'not going into coalition with x' or 'would you put John Delaney back in control of the FAI' rhetoric?

We have been there before.
75% didn't vote for SF yet they claim to have 'won' the election.

Ireland has had coalition governments since 1977. It will always be thus, so spouting off percentages like that as if they mean anything is just foolish.

FrancieBrady · 18-03-2021 02:18PM

markodaly wrote: »

We have been there before.
75% didn't vote for SF yet they claim to have 'won' the election.

Ireland has had coalition governments since 1977. It will always be thus, so spouting off percentages like that as if they mean anything is just foolish.

SF got the largest vote that any party got in the election. No amount of standing on your head is going to change that fact. If you wish to see the election as a competition then they 'won' it, hands down.

Ireland has never had a 'coalition' like the present one. You can stand on your head about that one as well. Everybody else has accepted that it is unique.

The point is, if it emerges that it doesn't matter if you vote FF or FG, you are going to get them both, I think that will factor hugely in people's choices in the electoral booths and we will see that vote share, which has declined from a high of 86% falling even more into the mid to low 30%'s.

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 02:20PM

markodaly wrote: »

We have been there before.
75% didn't vote for SF yet they claim to have 'won' the election.

Ireland has had coalition governments since 1977. It will always be thus, so spouting off percentages like that as if they mean anything is just foolish.

FF won 84 seats in 1977, not a coalition

markodaly · 18-03-2021 02:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

SF got the largest vote that any party got in the election. No amount of standing on your head is going to change that fact. If you wish to see the election as a competition then they 'won' it, hands down.

And?
We have had many instances where the largest party didn't go into government, mainly FF. This has been a feature of our politics for decades. Ignore it if you want, but the largest party doesn't get a 'right' to be in government. That is not how our constitution works. Again, you should really get grips with the basics of how the Dail works.

markodaly · 18-03-2021 02:30PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

FF won 84 seats in 1977, not a coalition

Sorry, I should have said after 1977, not since. You get the point. 1977 was the last time we had a single-party government, and likely ever will be the last time.

FrancieBrady · 18-03-2021 02:42PM

markodaly wrote: »

And?
We have had many instances where the largest party didn't go into government, mainly FF. This has been a feature of our politics for decades. Ignore it if you want, but the largest party doesn't get a 'right' to be in government. That is not how our constitution works. Again, you should really get grips with the basics of how the Dail works.

Nobody ever claimed there was a 'right'.

You guys keep inventing things that are said.

Brendan Bendar · 18-03-2021 02:45PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Maybe - but does that not prove my point?

He was quite prepared for the last govt to collapse over Fitzgerald resigning, her fate and the running of the country was in his hands.

Will be interesting to learn what this whistleblower has said in his or her protective disclosure Brenner, AGS definitely think whatever it is, and whatever Simon told them is worth looking at.

Surely must be unprecedented to have a past Taoiseach, sitting Tanaiste to be a suspect in a criminal investigation.

Months and months of entertainment to look forward to with this one horse.

I think you are going to be a bit disappointed Randle.

I wouldn’t be looking at stuff like that for entertainment, shaft, get out and get a bit of fresh air after the few days holiday you had.

It will do you good..........:cool:

golfball37 · 18-03-2021 02:50PM

markodaly wrote: »

Sorry, I should have said after 1977, not since. You get the point. 1977 was the last time we had a single-party government, and likely ever will be the last time.

That’s not accurate either. Coalition is defined by more than one grouping represented in cabinet . Pretty sure we had a Haughey govt that was propped up by Tony Gregory and few indos for voting purposes. Not that it matters coalitions are here for eternity

McMurphy · 18-03-2021 02:58PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think you are going to be a bit disappointed Randle.

I wouldn’t be looking at stuff like that for entertainment, shaft, get out and get a bit of fresh air after the few days holiday you had.

It will do you good..........:cool:

To be added to the other accurate predictions in this thread, such as:

Will be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Already in the public domain.
Zero craic not really a friend.
The document wasn't confidential.
Leo was supreme leader, he could authorise himself to release it.
No personal advantage to him passing it to his bud.
The guards are not investigating Leo Varadkar.
It's a preliminary report.
Debbie McCann not a reputable source.
Not a criminal investigation.

Noted.

I'll keep it in the back pocket with all those other gems bren.

ohnonotgmail · 18-03-2021 03:09PM

McMurphy wrote: »

To be added to the other accurate predictions in this thread, such as:

Will be forgotten about in a few weeks.
Already in the public domain.
Zero craic not really a friend.
The document wasn't confidential.
Leo was supreme leader, he could authorise himself to release it.
No personal advantage to him passing it to his bud.
The guards are not investigating Leo Varadkar.
It's a preliminary report.
Debbie McCann not a reputable source.
Not a criminal investigation.

Noted.

I'll keep it in the back pocket with all those other gems bren.

to be fair with the time dilation effects that the lockdown seems to produce it may only be a few weeks.

_Kaiser_ · 18-03-2021 03:18PM

I still don't get why we are discussing SF in a thread about Leo and FG and his actions (and confession/apology) here. Whataboutery/look over there doesn't address any of that. It's completely OT and probably best suited to one of the SF threads, no?

Is that the only defence/counter that the pro-Leo/FGers can offer? I'm no FG/Leo fan but no "shinner" either, but I think the best way forward for FG either way is to cut their losses and dump him (and of course that just mean him moving to a cushy role in Europe or the lobby circuit, so it's not as though he'll be joining the dole queue like many others they've pushed there in the last year)

Of course that means Coveney would likely succeed him which would be worse again.. Hmm, ok I see the dilemma!

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 03:22PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I still don't get why we are discussing SF in a thread about Leo and FG and his actions (and confession/apology) here. Whataboutery/look over there doesn't address any of that. It's completely OT and probably best suited to one of the SF threads, no?

Is that the only defence/counter that the pro-Leo/FGers can offer? I'm no FG/Leo fan but no "shinner" either, but I think the best way forward for FG either way is to cut their losses and dump him (and of course that just mean him moving to a cushy role in Europe or the lobby circuit, so it's not as though he'll be joining the dole queue like many others they've pushed there in the last year)

Of course that means Coveney would like succeed him which would be worse again.. Hmm, ok I see the dilemma!

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

ohnonotgmail · 18-03-2021 03:24PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

You would think that Josepha's involvement in that other scandal would make her a no-go but it doesn't seem to work that way for FG.

Suckit · 18-03-2021 03:26PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

FG party dont want Coveney, they'll give it to Josepha or Heather,

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 03:28PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

You would think that Josepha's involvement in that other scandal would make her a no-go but it doesn't seem to work that way for FG.

Someone said a few days ago that they'd invested so much in certain candidates that unless they are caught at the scene of the crime by a high ranking Garda officer and 20 independent witnesses of at least 5 different nationalities it didn't happen

_Kaiser_ · 18-03-2021 03:30PM

Suckit wrote: »

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

I would think they'll give it to the other "rising star" Helen in that case? Not that that's any better option.

FG have the same problem as FF. No one waiting in the wings that you'd see as a natural successor that could both unify the party and get the public behind them again.

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 03:31PM

Suckit wrote: »

:eek: Sweet Christ!! That's the best they have to offer?
It'll definitely be a woman, as the amount of crying and shouting they have been doing about misogyny, sexism etc.. But one of those two? Thankfully it'll be an era where FG are not in power, and with a bit of luck, with either of those at the helm it will stay that way.

Regina hasn't got a seat so its a limited choice

RandomViewer · 18-03-2021 03:33PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I would think they'll give it to the other "rising star" Helen in that case? Not that that's any better option.

FG have the same problem as FF. No one waiting in the wings that you'd see as a natural successor that could both unify the party and get the public behind them again.

They went with youth with Varadkar ,cost them too many oldies, middle aged woman to be next FG leader

_Kaiser_ · 18-03-2021 03:34PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

They went with youth with Varadkar ,cost them too many oldies, middle aged woman to be next FG leader

That'll cost them anyone who values experience and competence over virtue signalling and quotas.

As I said, it's quite the dilemma.

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