Man kills 8 in multi-venue attack

Harry Palmr · 17-03-2021 2:21pm #1

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/16/atlanta-massage-parlor-shootings

The killings occurred amid a rising number of attacks on Asian Americans across the US since the start of the coronavirus pandemic. Six of those killed were Asian while two were white.

“It appears that they may be Asian,” Atlanta’s police chief, Rodney Bryant, said, with South Korea’s foreign ministry adding in statement on Wednesday that its diplomats in Atlanta had confirmed from police that four of the victims who died were women of Korean descent.

This seems to be a trend now since Covid 19 was associated with China by Donald Trump, obviously all gooks look the same to a western goon.

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 2:26pm

The thread title should be edited. It's not factually incorrect, but it is unnecessarily provocative.
Would be the case if a thread on different attacks were started with 'A Black' or 'A Muslim'.

That aside, on initial readings on this, your link between the former president's rhetoric (which he repeated as recently as the last couple of weeks) is probably a very relevant point.

Kumejima · 17-03-2021 2:29pm

Cheers dude, thanks for letting me know the race of the perpetrator. How else would I know that I should extrapolate a racial angle to this. I'll be sure to give these "white guys" a wide berth. I sure wouldn't want to make the mistake of not associating this one incident with all the other people who share his race and gender, and shall proceed to hate and ostracise them en masse from here on out. Happy Paddys Day

Harry Palmr · 17-03-2021 2:31pm

I bet he belongs to a religion of peace

ps surprised no one got this thread up and running, could he be because he is white?

BanditLuke · 17-03-2021 2:31pm

Racist thread title.

Real Donald Trump · 17-03-2021 2:32pm

If it were a black man we would not hear about race.

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 2:34pm

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

If it were a black man we would not hear about race.

We most definitely would, it just wouldn't be in the thread title.

jam_mac_jam · 17-03-2021 2:39pm

Not sure it's really necessary to use a racist slur against the victims.

Maybe a little bit crass?

17-03-2021 2:42pm

Trumps rhetoric is appalling. However the US as a whole is not going to be able to maintain its imperial attitudes to China without this kind of thing kicking off.

PsychoPete · 17-03-2021 2:44pm

He must have been rubbed up the wrong way

Tokyo · 17-03-2021 2:45pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

obviously all gooks look the same to a western goon.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I bet he belongs to a religion of peace

Harry Palmr wrote: »

ps surprised no one got this thread up and running, could he be because he is white?

Mod: Going for the trifecta I see. Don't think this forum is for you.

begbysback · 17-03-2021 2:48pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

ps surprised no one got this thread up and running, could he be because he is white?

No, most likely because the op is going to now have to walk on ice, and spend the rest of the thread explaining why they are not racist, good luck!!!

Tokyo · 17-03-2021 2:49pm

Mod:

Thread title updated. Thread will remain open as it's a topic worthy of discussion. However please don't drag conjecture as to the man's motivations unless you can bring some for of evidence to the table to back it up.

BattleCorp · 17-03-2021 2:50pm

What's an anti-suicide smock? Is it a piece of clothing that you can't hang yourself with?

17-03-2021 2:56pm

So this guy waited a full year after Covid and 2 months after Trump left office and only now he's "inspired by Trump's anti-China Covid rhetoric" into killing people that are not Chinese?

Magnificent mental gymnastics.

MadameHussein · 17-03-2021 2:57pm

PsychoPete wrote: »

He must have been rubbed up the wrong way

Not really sure how the fact that some of the women may or may not have been sex workers makes their murders warrant a cheap joke.

BloodBath · 17-03-2021 3:03pm

Are people still trying to blame Trump for everything? Get over it, he's not the president anymore.

The reality is the US is a ****hole full of mentally unstable people drugged up to the eyeballs on harmful drugs (illegal or prescription) and terrible diets with food standards not fit for a dog.

It happened in Georgia too, 1 of the most racist states in the US long before Trump came to power. That still doesn't mean it's racially motivated. He could just as easily have been a religious nut who found out this massage parlor was offering services beyond just massage.

His facebook posts point towards the religious angle more so than a racist Trump motivated one.

Op complains about racism and uses a racist term in his op. Genius.

suicide_circus · 17-03-2021 3:09pm

Wait til the trump voters hear about the UK and Brazilian variants, there will be killings in Fish & Chips restaurants and Samba clubs up and down the land

James Brown · 17-03-2021 3:13pm

So when a minority carries out an attack we tar his entire race and/or religion with his crimes.
When a white lad does it, so far seemingly race motivated, we attack the op, the creation of the thread and the idea that Trump might have helped the lad justify it in his mind.
Got it.

Lone wolf so. We'll no doubt read about how he was a good lad had some troubles.

alchemist33 · 17-03-2021 3:14pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

What's an anti-suicide smock? Is it a piece of clothing that you can't hang yourself with?

Yes, it should be non-tearable

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 3:17pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Are people still trying to blame Trump for everything? Get over it, he's not the president anymore.

The reality is the US is a ****hole full of mentally unstable people drugged up to the eyeballs on harmful drugs (illegal or prescription) and terrible diets with food standards not fit for a dog.

It happened in Georgia too, 1 of the most racist states in the US long before Trump came to power. That still doesn't mean it's racially motivated. He could just as easily have been a religious nut who found out this massage parlor was offering services beyond just massage.

His facebook posts point towards the religious angle more so than a racist Trump motivated one.

Op complains about racism and uses a racist term in his op. Genius.

Not blaming.

But, given the fervor with which many people still support the former President and with his insistence in referring to the Covid 19 virus in such terms as to identify it by a culture, it is entirely reasonable to wonder if the increase in attacks on people of Asian backgrounds over the last couple of months and this latest one have been carried out by people influenced by his message.

Radicalisation isn't something that just happen to people of other backgrounds. All that being said, the true motives of this person have yet to be disclosed but it is reasonable to that Trumps message be alluded to here.

Smee_Again · 17-03-2021 3:19pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Radicalisation isn't something that just happen to people of other backgrounds.

This is a great point that some people would do well to dwell on.

BloodBath · 17-03-2021 3:28pm

James Brown wrote: »

So when a minority carries out an attack we tar his entire race and/or religion with his crimes.
When a white lad does it, so far seemingly race motivated, we attack the op, the creation of the thread and the idea that Trump might have helped the lad justify it in his mind.
Got it.

Lone wolf so. We'll no doubt read about how he was a good lad had some troubles.

There was 0 evidence provided to suggest it was racially motivated or Trump had anything to do with it.

It may well have been but anything is conjecture at this point.

So do you mind providing some evidence that it was racially motivated outside of your own prejudices?

The real problem is mental health stemming from ****e diets, drugs, poor education and crap media and how parasites like religious organizations, cult groups like proud boys and antifa and greasy politicians (not just Trump) latch on to those people to warp their minds even further to achieve their own goals.

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 3:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

So this guy waited a full year after Covid and 2 months after Trump left office and only now he's "inspired by Trump's anti-China Covid rhetoric" into killing people that are not Chinese?

Magnificent mental gymnastics.

But every attack by a person from the middle east is automatically motivated by the teachings of their religion?

And the statements we've seen on here about such attacks are much definitive than what is posted on this thread.

By all means, demand the wait for all details before topics are discussed, but, try to be consistent in calling for a need for the facts.

This attack was carried out on 3 locations several miles apart so he was obviously motivated to attack people associated with these locations.
What do you think his motivation might have been, or are you only here to defend Trump?

17-03-2021 3:49pm

America is basically an open mental asylum at this stage.

Sad

BloodBath · 17-03-2021 3:57pm

Tell me how wrote: »

But every attack by a person from the middle east is automatically motivated by the teachings of their religion?

And the statements we've seen on here about such attacks are much definitive than what is posted on this thread.

By all means, demand the wait for all details before topics are discussed, but, try to be consistent in calling for a need for the facts.

This attack was carried out on 3 locations several miles apart so he was obviously motivated to attack people associated with these locations.
What do you think his motivation might have been, or are you only here to defend Trump?

All 3 were massage parlors, there's your connection. He could have killed Asians anywhere. Why 3 "massage" parlors?

Looks to me like the very common religious motivated attack by someone with severe mental problems. Maybe racism is also part of that. 2 bird with 1 stone kind of thing.

Somehow Trump get's the blame rather than the church though?

Maybe your own mind is warped?

I hope he get's executed for his crimes. No room in society for dangerous psychopaths' regardless of their reasoning.

A fairly right wing thing to think but I'd lean to the left on a lot of things as well. There's nuance and complexity to everything that's sadly lost these days.

You have to pick your side and stick to it regardless it seems. Every 1 of these attacks an opportunity to sling mud at perceived opponents. Primitive tribalistic nonsense. That's US culture in a nutshell though.

J. Marston · 17-03-2021 4:01pm

Not a racist. Just an angry neckbeard incel...

https://twitter.com/ChenueHer/status/1372195226400534530

Housefree · 17-03-2021 4:04pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

:

This seems to be a trend now since Covid 19 was associated with China by Donald Trump, obviously all gooks look the same to a western goon.

Not all the news coverage of the outbreak in Wuhan and the fact the pandemic started in China?

BloodBath · 17-03-2021 4:09pm

So it was religiously motivated. Most obvious answer is obvious. Sex addict with mental health problems being conflicted by his churches teachings goes bat**** crazy and kills a bunch of people. Where have we seen this before?

What angle are ye going to take now TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome aka tedious) people?

Neckbeard does sum him up though. Wtf is that thing. Looks like shaved pubes glued to his face.

Sand · 17-03-2021 4:11pm

James Brown wrote: »

So when a minority carries out an attack we tar his entire race and/or religion with his crimes.
When a white lad does it, so far seemingly race motivated, we attack the op, the creation of the thread and the idea that Trump might have helped the lad justify it in his mind.

Tell me how wrote: »

But every attack by a person from the middle east is automatically motivated by the teachings of their religion

This is complete projection. The reality is whenever a non-white person commits a mass killing or other terrorist event, people coming diving from every angle with 'Not all X are like that!' or that it is utterly abhorrent to draw any wider conclusions about the group the attacker hails from. Then there is the accusation that people are exploiting a tragedy for political ends and how vile that is. People expend a great deal of effort to deny, dismiss and diminish when the attacker is non-white.

Yet any time there is a white person involved in any sort of altercation - ranging from smirking inappropriately up to shootings - the act is immediately cast in racial terms. The race of the white person is immediately taken as being the motivation for the action. Broad conclusions are drawn about all white people, and particularly all white men, with white people being portrayed as a problem that needs to be solved. The most recent example being this death in London, but lets not forget the Karen hysteria. There is no restraint in exploiting the victim(s) for the fullest possible political gain.

So enough with trying to pin your own hypocrisy on others.

Tell me how wrote: »

But, given the fervor with which many people still support the former President and with his insistence in referring to the Covid 19 virus in such terms as to identify it by a culture, it is entirely reasonable to wonder if the increase in attacks on people of Asian backgrounds over the last couple of months and this latest one have been carried out by people influenced by his message.

But people only made an issue of that because it was Trump. It was just another 'Trump did X, Trump is evil so X is evil'. Nobody made an issue at all of the 'UK Variant' or the 'South African variant' being referenced as such. Nobody is proposing that British, South African or Brazilian people are at a higher risk of attack because of variants of the virus being associated with their point of origin. That whole newscycle was nonsense from start to finish.

As for black people attacking Asians - haven't you heard? It's white people to blame. Again.

partyguinness · 17-03-2021 4:14pm

Depressingly this type of mass shooting is 'normal' in the US and barely registers anymore.

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 4:24pm

Sand wrote: »

This is complete projection. The reality is whenever a non-white person commits a mass killing or other terrorist event, people coming diving from every angle with 'Not all X are like that!' or that it is utterly abhorrent to draw any wider conclusions about the group the attacker hails from. Then there is the accusation that people are exploiting a tragedy for political ends and how vile that is. People expend a great deal of effort to deny, dismiss and diminish when the attacker is non-white.

Yet any time there is a white person involved in any sort of altercation - ranging from smirking inappropriately up to shootings - the act is immediately cast in racial terms. The race of the white person is immediately taken as being the motivation for the action. Broad conclusions are drawn about all white people, and particularly all white men, with white people being portrayed as a problem that needs to be solved. The most recent example being this death in London, but lets not forget the Karen hysteria. There is no restraint in exploiting the victim(s) for the fullest possible political gain.

So enough with trying to pin your own hypocrisy on others.

But people only made an issue of that because it was Trump. It was just another 'Trump did X, Trump is evil so X is evil'. Nobody made an issue at all of the 'UK Variant' or the 'South African variant' being referenced as such. Nobody is proposing that British, South African or Brazilian people are at a higher risk of attack because of variants of the virus being associated with their point of origin. That whole newscycle was nonsense from start to finish.

As for black people attacking Asians - haven't you heard? It's white people to blame. Again.

That bit in bold is absolute nonsense.

Trump has repeatedly referred to China in derogatory terms and there has been a spate of attacks, many of them unprovoked on people from asian communities over the year of the pandemic. This being the latest one.

Your reference to the UK, Brazilian variants etc completely ignores the manner in which Trump referred to China, as recently as last week in his latest cry for attention where it was even more obvious than previously that its reference as such had nothing to do with the conversation on the pandemic itself.

partyguinness · 17-03-2021 4:30pm

For all we know he may have an irrational hatred of women/prostitutes/massages parlours. Maybe he was a patron and couldn't get in it up?

I am guessing he is just another...socially retareded incel looking to blame everyone for their ****ty little existance and he just focused on this place.

There is nothing whatsoever in the article to suggest that this shooting had anything to do with Covid/China/Trump/Asians/blacks.

Save for this unnecessary paragraph:

"The killings occurred amid a rising number of attacks on Asian Americans across the US since the start of the coronavirus pandemic."

Sand · 17-03-2021 4:34pm

Tell me how wrote: »

That bit in bold is absolute nonsense.

You're really going to pretend the 'Karen' hysteria didn't revolve around the Karen being white?

Tell me how · 17-03-2021 4:39pm

Sand wrote: »

You're really going to pretend the 'Karen' hysteria didn't revolve around the Karen being white?

It revolved out of the occurrence of events where women were acting like they owned a place where they clearly didn't, or as judge and jury in situations they had no business acting as such.

You make it sound like the whole meme originated out of a focus group to target white people.

17-03-2021 5:07pm

James Brown wrote: »

So when a minority carries out an attack we tar his entire race and/or religion with his crimes.
When a white lad does it, so far seemingly race motivated, we attack the op, the creation of the thread and the idea that Trump might have helped the lad justify it in his mind.
Got it.

Lone wolf so. We'll no doubt read about how he was a good lad had some troubles.

I think the key point is: Does this fit a pattern? Is there a common unifying theme linking incidents together. With ISIS, there definitely is a pattern and clearly identifiable ideology.

If this was racially motivated, then sure, you can call it a racist incident. But you can't call it racist if the victims just happen to be non-white and the killer happens to be white.

Zatoichi · 17-03-2021 5:10pm

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

If it were a black man we would not hear about race.

People like the OP like to make everything about race only as long as it suits their narrative. Once it does not, the mental gymnastics begin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8cWaRY1Pbw

The race of the attackers is predominately black, yet that is rarely mentioned. The fact that the media was happily associating covid with China for months is also conveniently forgotten.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNtNuegarko

17-03-2021 5:13pm

Tell me how wrote: »

But every attack by a person from the middle east is automatically motivated by the teachings of their religion?

And the statements we've seen on here about such attacks are much definitive than what is posted on this thread.

By all means, demand the wait for all details before topics are discussed, but, try to be consistent in calling for a need for the facts.

This attack was carried out on 3 locations several miles apart so he was obviously motivated to attack people associated with these locations.
What do you think his motivation might have been, or are you only here to defend Trump?

Having just barely scanned the story, it seems like 3 massage parlours. Not 3 Chinese or Korean restaurants. Based on that, my gut instinct? I'd imagine there is some background story that might explain it. But that's just my first reaction without knowing specifics.

And I'm not here to defend Trump, I'm just amazed at how it gets tangentially linked to him though, in the BBC it was the first couple of sentences.

Dyr · 17-03-2021 5:56pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Not a racist. Just an angry neckbeard incel...

https://twitter.com/ChenueHer/status/1372195226400534530

He was a sex addict incel, thats some Olympic level mental gymnastics

Odhinn · 17-03-2021 6:16pm

"Long told investigators that he blames the massage parlors for providing an outlet for his addiction to sex," the sheriff's office said in a statement on Wednesday.
He may have "frequented these places in the past," Cherokee County Sheriff Frank Reynolds said.
"Long told investigators the crimes were not racially motivated," the sheriff's office added.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-shootings-georgia-spas-suspect-custody/story?id=76499529&cid=clicksource_4380645_3_heads_hero_live_hero_hed

'They gave me what I asked for so I had to kill them'. He's a header allright.

Cody montana · 17-03-2021 6:22pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So this guy waited a full year after Covid and 2 months after Trump left office and only now he's "inspired by Trump's anti-China Covid rhetoric" into killing people that are not Chinese?

Magnificent mental gymnastics.

We don’t know the facts yet.
But it looks like he was targeting a specific group of people.

wes · 17-03-2021 6:24pm

So the guy attacks 3 different locations and only kills Asian people.......... and apparently there is no racial motivation.......

The cops must take everyone for fools it seems.

It always amazes me the totally different reaction to far right terror attack committed by a white man. The fact they took him in alive also shows that the cops in the US are perfectly able to not kill a suspect when they are white somehow.

17-03-2021 6:30pm

Tell me how wrote: »

The thread title should be edited. It's not factually incorrect, but it is unnecessarily provocative.
Would be the case if a thread on different attacks were started with 'A Black' or 'A Muslim'.

That aside, on initial readings on this, your link between the former president's rhetoric (which he repeated as recently as the last couple of weeks) is probably a very relevant point.

It should also be edited to reflect its on another continent tbh

wes · 17-03-2021 6:34pm

Korean language media giving a different story from eye witnesses:
https://twitter.com/e_alexjung/status/1372172564399853571?s=20

The cops in the US really do take the rest of the world for idiots, they really do.

BanditLuke · 17-03-2021 6:39pm

Edz87 wrote: »

America is basically an open mental asylum at this stage.

Sad

Except it's not at all. Give me the US any day over the hell holes in Africa or the middle East to name two.

BanditLuke · 17-03-2021 6:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Having just barely scanned the story, it seems like 3 massage parlours. Not 3 Chinese or Korean restaurants. Based on that, my gut instinct? I'd imagine there is some background story that might explain it. But that's just my first reaction without knowing specifics.

And I'm not here to defend Trump, I'm just amazed at how it gets tangentially linked to him though, in the BBC it was the first couple of sentences.

It's absolutely pathetic tbh. Trump derangement syndrome is alive and well. Turned on CNN for literally 5 minutes earlier and you'd swear Trump himself carried this attack out.

statesaver · 17-03-2021 7:23pm

That beard is laughable.

thebaz · 17-03-2021 7:29pm

What a dispicable act - given all the worldwide attention of violence against women - It's killers like this , who give the majority of decent men a bad name.

BattleCorp · 17-03-2021 7:31pm

What a dispicable act - given all the worldwide attention of violence against women - It's killers like this , who give the majority of decent men a bad name.

How is that killer giving decent men a bad name? Seriously.

thebaz · 17-03-2021 7:33pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

How is that killer giving decent men a bad name? Seriously.

the PC killer in London gave men a bad name, ther were calls for curfews on all men.

BattleCorp · 17-03-2021 7:38pm

thebaz wrote: »

the PC killer in London gave men a bad name, ther were calls for curfews on all men.

One over-zealous and misguided person called for a curfew on all men.

It's ridiculous talk to say that a killer gives all men a bad name. Does a prostitute give all women a bad name? Do two women who cut off a man's head and throw it in the canal earning them the nickname 'the scissors sisters' give all women a bad name. Nope.

People of both sexes do illegal stuff but thankfully the vast majority of both sexes aren't tarnished with the actions of a very small minority.

Man kills 8 in multi-venue attack

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