Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Biggest example of this right now is the fear being stoked up about the AZ vaccine - which will result in slower rollouts, deaths, and which has been strongly disputed by the nearly all science, and the gatekeepers at the WHO/EMA etc. Who would play political games in the middle of a pandemic - or if not games react so strongly and incorrectly to panic?

I really do not understand why the EU countrys including Ireland are creating this fear and panic about AZ based on evidence provided - ther is no evidence that more clotting is occuring from AZ vaccine - yet the aready sluggish EU rollout will be slowed further - meaning longer lockdowns - do not know what the EU and ireland are doing.

Sobit1964 wrote: »

I said it on this forum no less than 30 minutes ago. Can you provide any evidence that the body of law reduces over time rather than increases - its ok if you cant find a link on RTE to support this - im happy to take your opinion.

Nah I asked you first. And you haven't answered that very simple question. So

Source of same saying any such laws are going to 'stick" around here which isn't some looney bin website?

gozunda wrote: »

Nah I asked you first. And you haven't answered that very simple question. So

Source of same saying any such laws are going to 'stick" around here which isn't some looney bin website?

Its an established fact that the body of laws grows and doesn't shrink over time.

If you want to go ahead and attempt prove the sky is tartan colored be my guest - i'm not going to debate down is up with you any further.

Boggles wrote: »

Let's be honest here. What will scutter into Dublin tomorrow in the majority will be a bunch of fúcking clowns who couldn't give 2 flying fúcks about you or your family.

You''ll have the racist scum using the pandemic to recruit weak minded individuals into racist scummary, then you will have the weak minded individuals howling the elite are Luciferians trying to kill babies.

Then you will have the guards in the middle of it trying not to get hospitalized by bottles and fireworks.

So probably best to try and cut it off a source, because the alternative is the inevitable.

Trying to pretend it's an attack on democracy is not reality.

But again certain individuals will love that's framed that way.

I've no doubt there will be many lads like that at it..but it's not an excuse to remove all avenues for people with moderate views to exercise the right to protest peacefully. It's stereotyping, guilty until proven innocent, and imposing rules onto people who may not make up the disorderly element that requires police intervention. I also think this policy will do more damaged than good in terms of compliance with restrictions, as many people will feel they are not listened to, with no chance to make their opinion known, and will harden , nurture embolden any anti government sentiment that exists within the population if people feel ignored and suppressed in that way.

I've long held views that supported restrictions for most of the year and know personally people who have died of COVID so I'm not under any illussion the restrictions are not need, and I would hope people do distance at a large event like this. But I think some kind of event/kick in the bum is needed to make the government realise that an emergency measure that we were assured all year would only be used temporarily under dire circumstances, is not okay to normalise for months on end. And the cost/side effects of it are not jusitifying it , like at all.it simply would not wash in most regions of the world. My family in Boston/New York regularly express disbelief that people in Ireland accept the current level of restrictions for so long, and they have the strictest COVID regulations in place in all of the USA.
Not to mention the fact we have long passed the required positivity rate declared by WHO in order to exit lockdowns.

gozunda wrote: »

If the crowd in front of you jumps of a cliff - you going to follow them?

It seems that with regards to the AZ rollout, the lockdown measures, the lack of following science, the lack of passing more than lip service to guidance by the WHO - if the crowd in front jumps off a cliff - Ireland most certainly will follow [and attempt to score style points].

This gives rise to protests - which gives rise to a potential increase in infections.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not to mention the fact we have long passed the required positivity rate declared by WHO in order to exit lockdowns.

In the document from November? Might as well have been from 1918 at this stage.

But no one is listening to the WHO anymore nor have they in some time, the odd lip service out of politeness but that is it.

Boggles wrote: »

But no one is listening to the WHO anymore nor have they in some time, the odd lip service out of politeness but that is it.

I thought WHO were directing the whole way of dealing with the pandemic ?
They are the world health organisation,

Boggles wrote: »

You thought wrong.

So who is directing the way to fight virus/pandemic ?

WHO were lauded as the experts since begining.

thebaz wrote: »

So who is directing the way to fight virus/pandemic ?

Right now it's a case of everyone for themselves.

Of course there is a separate discussion to be had around that.

thebaz wrote: »

WHO were lauded as the experts since begining.

The Wheels came off that pretty quick.

Do you think the likes Germany / USA are or have been listening to the WHO or do you think they are listening to their far better funded experts that focuses on the nation and not the entire planet?

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0316/1204319-alcohol-pricing/

You couldn't make it up.

Its scary how far some want to encroach on our live and rights.

That’s one way to make sure the pubs never open again.

I think it’s more of a major failure that we are still in this position a year on.

gozunda wrote: »

No country in the world has got everything right in tackling the pandemic. Mainly because its something which few if any governments have had any experience with. You think we've had it bad here? Look at Italy and the hell they went through - look at the huge death toll in the US and countries like Brazil where restrictions have been patchy at best.

The WHO unfortunately have burned many of their own bridges when they paid lip service to the Chinese when they claimed there was no risk of P2P transmission and as a result declared it was safe for China to allow people to fly all over the world all the while they locked down their own county.

But yes latterly WHO have changed their tune even regarding restrictions and lockdowns



The highlighted bit is where we're atm and until we can get a critical mass vaccinated here.

And yes I know the progress of that is frustratingly slow and mistakes have been made and everyone is fed up.

But that has nothing to do with Ireland not following those countries like Brazil who are up **** creek without a paddle.

The very last thing we need is - "protests" - which as you say "gives rise to a potential increase in infections"

They're will always be agitators looking to cause trouble and who believe its all a big conspiracy or that Covid doesn't exist. It doesn't mean they should be pandered to.

and when are we planning on vaccinating that critical mass? because the government's actions indicate they're in no hurry to get people vaccinated

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Never waste a good crisis eh

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-holohan-chief-medical-officer-delivers-the-opening-address-at-alcohol-action-irelands-have-we-bottled-it-alcohol-marketing-and-young-people-conference/

Tony has been planning this for more than a decade.

Using the once in a generation pandemic to fulfill his real ambitions.

How he made that minister speak freely of his own his own accord, God knows.

Lizards?

Boggles wrote: »

Tony has been planning this for more than a decade.

Using the once in a generation pandemic to fulfill his real ambitions.

How he made that minister speak freely of his own his own accord, God knows.

Lizards?

Well, he did hold a conference in Croke Park last Easter, which was basically anti-alcohol.

Medical professionals from all over Europe attended. Wasn't too concerned about the virus that day was Tony...

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Never waste a good crisis eh

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-holohan-chief-medical-officer-delivers-the-opening-address-at-alcohol-action-irelands-have-we-bottled-it-alcohol-marketing-and-young-people-conference/

MOR316 wrote: »

Well, he did hold a conference in Croke Park last Easter, which was basically anti-alcohol.

Medical professionals from all over Europe attended. Wasn't too concerned about the virus that day was Tony...

Virus is only a smoke screen, using it as an excuse to push the nanny state agenda.

Its pathetic but whats even more pathetic is that its tolerated.

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Virus is only a smoke screen, using it as an excuse to push the nanny state agenda.

Its pathetic but whats even more pathetic is that its tolerated.

ypres5 wrote: »

also speaking of the great and powerful tony wasn't it him who overruled the vaccine body here when it came to giving the AZ vaccine to over 65s ? a decision that was the wrong one in hindsight. ah sure what's another cock up in a career full of blunders...

He's a very smart man...

He goes on The Late Late Show and we all know Turbidy wouldn't ask him a difficult question to save his life.

He sits down with an interview with Zara King...She's only interested in licking arse to climb the career ladder.

He sits in a studio with those two obnoxious morons on the radio, Dermot and Dave (Is that what they're called?) and they're not gonna say anything except big him up

RTE last year in an interview with Micheal Martin. MM said the health service was the same as when he was minister for health. RTE didn't once ask him why that was and why things haven't improved in all that time.

In short, they're been allowed to get away with it.
You won't see Tony Holohan sit down with Vincent Browne