Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Cork2021 · 15-03-2021 09:59PM

What I’d love right now, walk to the pub (15min walk) especially in this weather cool crisp night. Get to the pub give the barman abuse (messing) then get my cold pint of Bud( I know it’s piss to some but not to me) sit at the bar in my usual spot read the paper, if a match is on throw a fiver on some stupid corner count or something and that gives me a bit of interest If United aren’t playing. Bag of peanuts at half time and just talk utter tripe to the lads that are usually there on a Monday!
No drama, no messiness just good pints with good company (most of the time)

BeginnerRunner · 15-03-2021 10:14PM

Cork2021 wrote: »

What I’d love right now, walk to the pub (15min walk) especially in this weather cool crisp night. Get to the pub give the barman abuse (messing) then get my cold pint of Bud( I know it’s piss to some but not to me) sit at the bar in my usual spot read the paper, if a match is on throw a fiver on some stupid corner count or something and that gives me a bit of interest If United aren’t playing. Bag of peanuts at half time and just talk utter tripe to the lads that are usually there on a Monday!
No drama, no messiness just good pints with good company (most of the time)

Jesus. I don't watch football, drink bud or eat peanuts. But that sounds like heaven.

PTH2009 · 15-03-2021 10:19PM

Would it not of been easier for the government if they prohibited the selling of takeaway pints. That way they wouldn't have to worry or keep saying 'you can forget about takeaway pints' etc

hynesie08 · 15-03-2021 10:20PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Would it not of been easier for the government if they prohibited the selling of takeaway pints. That way they wouldn't have to worry or keep saying 'you can forget about takeaway pints' etc

And how do you propose they do that?

PTH2009 · 15-03-2021 10:33PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

And how do you propose they do that?

Close all places selling them, that easy

hynesie08 · 15-03-2021 10:38PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Close all places selling them, that easy

And how far do you think that would get in court?

"yes your honor, we decided that these businesses can sell alcohol in sealed containers for consumption off the premises, but these other businesses selling the exact same thing but in a slightly different sealed container cannot"

Dickie10 · 16-03-2021 12:43AM

fin12 wrote: »

This government doesn’t do rational . Just wait and see , there will be a lockdown again in winter.

i think if this was on the cards come october then you would have hundreds of thousands on the streets of every town in ireland not just dublin. pubs and shops would stay open and the gardai would be forced to try and gain entry to close them can you imagine the scenes, total civil disobediance would brak out this is from someone who rarely ever supports protesters. imagine gardai in a small town with shops and say 10 pubs , closeing pubs then they open 2 hrs later this sort of thing. gardai would actually not do it, they would refuse or simply go to ground, they couldnt possibly go around putting out those fires all day every day , it would take 3 days max before the government would recant. there would be just no hope, prob garda union would make thier members go on strike or blue flue if asked to do that. dont be naive to think the ordinary people would lie down and take that type of half communist , crazy **** that would ruin the economy completely. the majority of people (myself included) fully support bing in level5 at the moment and imo until may. when we should have a lot of vulnerable vaxxed. crazy to open now. but no reason for many restrictions once over 65s are vaxxed.

fin12 · 16-03-2021 01:22AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think if this was on the cards come october then you would have hundreds of thousands on the streets of every town in ireland not just dublin. pubs and shops would stay open and the gardai would be forced to try and gain entry to close them can you imagine the scenes, total civil disobediance would brak out this is from someone who rarely ever supports protesters. imagine gardai in a small town with shops and say 10 pubs , closeing pubs then they open 2 hrs later this sort of thing. gardai would actually not do it, they would refuse or simply go to ground, they couldnt possibly go around putting out those fires all day every day , it would take 3 days max before the government would recant. there would be just no hope, prob garda union would make thier members go on strike or blue flue if asked to do that. dont be naive to think the ordinary people would lie down and take that type of half communist , crazy **** that would ruin the economy completely. the majority of people (myself included) fully support bing in level5 at the moment and imo until may. when we should have a lot of vulnerable vaxxed. crazy to open now. but no reason for many restrictions once over 65s are vaxxed.

We will be in full on lockdown 5 for 6 months by mid May if we aren’t on the streets and doing all that by now, can’t see anything happening when they shut down the place in winter again. I’ve just no hope left , I mean listen to how they talk about even summer, may be outdoor dining... like how else are u supposed to think.

ShamNNspace · 16-03-2021 01:42AM

Has there ever been a conversation in this country about how much this will all cost when the bill finally lands on the taxpayers mat? all the businesses that have gone to the wall, and all the resulting unemployment, all the pup and other payments already made and ongoing, the recalibration that will certainly happen, the way the government has spent money with abandon some of it to enrich their cronies who never lose even in a crisis or a financial depression . they cant keep printing euros out in frankfurt for ever, sooner or later the people will have to pay, one way or another

Eric Cartman · 16-03-2021 01:57AM

It was exactly a year on sunday sine I had my last grogans pint and toasty, its been a shockingly long year for publicans and patrons alike.

My god id love a pint and a toasty now

Del Griffith · 16-03-2021 06:58AM

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think if this was on the cards come october then you would have hundreds of thousands on the streets of every town in ireland not just dublin. pubs and shops would stay open and the gardai would be forced to try and gain entry to close them can you imagine the scenes, total civil disobediance would brak out this is from someone who rarely ever supports protesters. imagine gardai in a small town with shops and say 10 pubs , closeing pubs then they open 2 hrs later this sort of thing. gardai would actually not do it, they would refuse or simply go to ground, they couldnt possibly go around putting out those fires all day every day , it would take 3 days max before the government would recant. there would be just no hope, prob garda union would make thier members go on strike or blue flue if asked to do that. dont be naive to think the ordinary people would lie down and take that type of half communist , crazy **** that would ruin the economy completely. the majority of people (myself included) fully support bing in level5 at the moment and imo until may. when we should have a lot of vulnerable vaxxed. crazy to open now. but no reason for many restrictions once over 65s are vaxxed.

You'd have thought the same a year ago if someone told you they'd keep the public locked up a year later and intend to continue to do so even after all those at risk are vaccinated, yet here we are, obedience and curtain twitching are still the name of the game.

Don't know why you think lockdowns 5 and 6 would any different to 3 or 4, all they need to do is throw out some bollox about a variant and it's done.

ingo1984 · 16-03-2021 08:15AM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Has there ever been a conversation in this country about how much this will all cost when the bill finally lands on the taxpayers mat? all the businesses that have gone to the wall, and all the resulting unemployment, all the pup and other payments already made and ongoing, the recalibration that will certainly happen, the way the government has spent money with abandon some of it to enrich their cronies who never lose even in a crisis or a financial depression . they cant keep printing euros out in frankfurt for ever, sooner or later the people will have to pay, one way or another

Not the governments concern. They only focus on short term policy whatever the cost. Be up to some other governemnt formation in the future to worry about costs. Current government will be well insulated with their TD/public sector pension.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 10:13AM

fin12 wrote: »

We will be in full on lockdown 5 for 6 months by mid May if we aren’t on the streets and doing all that by now, can’t see anything happening when they shut down the place in winter again. I’ve just no hope left , I mean listen to how they talk about even summer, may be outdoor dining... like how else are u supposed to think.

Nobody protested the lockdowns when they were introduced because they were necessary at the time. Likewise, if restrictions are necessary next winter, there would be little resistance.

If they’re not necessary then there would be significant opposition - there would have been opposition if the lockdowns the necessary in December too.

Dickie10 · 16-03-2021 10:19AM

thak god in some ways for EU and Britain for being half decent set ups. The EU will stop giving us money if they see us at any mad cap antics like closing down businesses in winter for a flu and Britian will be fully open so by july its going to be a full scale migration up north for tourism and hospitality, the same with people heading to London and Liverpool etc in late summer and autumn. the government can shut businesses and not give them PUP, and they just dont have the money to do that. what makes people think the flu will be that bad next winter anyway? surely there will still be a good hangover from covid even up to december of people wearing masks and washing hands more than they used to, that would be enough to bring flu down a good bit.

mikekerry · 16-03-2021 10:26AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Nobody protested the lockdowns when they were introduced because they were necessary at the time. Likewise, if restrictions are necessary next winter, there would be little resistance.

If they’re not necessary then there would be significant opposition - there would have been opposition if the lockdowns the necessary in December too.

Why in the name of god would we need restrictions next winter if the majority of the people are vaccinated.
How long do you think the remaining busineses left in the country can keep closing and reopening like this.
Has there ever in history been this type draconian lockdowns for a virus?
Seriously if people want to stay inside stay at home and worry about the virus let normal people get back to living.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 10:55AM

mikekerry wrote: »

Why in the name of god would we need restrictions next winter if the majority of the people are vaccinated....

Same reasons they were necessary this winter -because covid is seasonal and it got out of hand with restrictions in place.

Next winter, with around 65% with the population vaccinated, we may or may not be able to avoid restrictions.

My point was that if they’re necessary then people will obviously go along with them. If they’re not necessary then they won’t impose restrictions. If t hey impose restrictions when they’re obviously not necessary then there would be significant opposition - unlike the last 3 lockdowns where people went along with them because they were necessary.

If restrictions are necessary, then we’re pubs fit in would remain to be seen.

dominatinMC · 16-03-2021 11:26AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Same reasons they were necessary this winter -because covid is seasonal and it got out of hand with restrictions in place.

Next winter, with around 65% with the population vaccinated, we may or may not be able to avoid restrictions.

My point was that if they’re necessary then people will obviously go along with them. If they’re not necessary then they won’t impose restrictions. If t hey impose restrictions when they’re obviously not necessary then there would be significant opposition - unlike the last 3 lockdowns where people went along with them because they were necessary.

If restrictions are necessary, then we’re pubs fit in would remain to be seen.

In my opinion, if 65-70% of the population are vaccinated come the summer/autumn/winter, then I think it is very unlikely that restrictions will be in place, other than some understandable (for now) border controls. Afterall, what is the whole point of a vaccination program, other than to get life back to normal as possible. If restrictions are brought in under those conditions (or worse, if they think the seasonal flu warrants restrictions), then I can see a substantial backlash from people.

As you say, people have, and will, comply with restrictions as long as they are considered absolutely essential. If >70% are vaccinated, how can restrictions be justified? They are a last resort measure, not something that can be implemented on the fly every winter from now on to help alleviate a perennially mismanaged health system.

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 11:35AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

In my opinion, if 65-70% of the population are vaccinated come the summer/autumn/winter, then I think it is very unlikely that restrictions will be in place, other than some understandable (for now) border controls. Afterall, what is the whole point of a vaccination program, other than to get life back to normal as possible. If restrictions are brought in under those conditions (or worse, if they think the seasonal flu warrants restrictions), then I can see a substantial backlash from people.

As you say, people have, and will, comply with restrictions as long as they are considered absolutely essential. If >70% are vaccinated, how can restrictions be justified? They are a last resort measure, not something that can be implemented on the fly every winter from now on to help alleviate a perennially mismanaged health system.

The purpose of the vaccination programme is to get back to normal through achieving herd immunity. The numbers estimated for herd immunity were 70-85%. If we vaccinate 65% of the population by winter then we might get away with it and not need restrictions but that's not certain. The fact that we likely won't be able to start vaccinating the under 18s before winter means we likely won't achieve 70-85% total population vaccination next winter. The following winter will be a different story as the vaccine will be approved for children by then so we can achieve herd immunity unless lots of people refuse to get vaccinated.

It's important to vaccinate the old and vulnerable but herd immunity is the goal as it will mean we likely won't need restrictions from that point on. It's interesting how some people have decided we don't need herd immunity once they realised we wouldn't reach herd immunity. The fact is that we'll likely get close to herd immunity next winter so it remains uncertain whether we'll get away without restrictions or not.

dominatinMC · 16-03-2021 11:47AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The purpose of the vaccination programme is to get back to normal through achieving herd immunity. The numbers estimated for herd immunity were 70-85%. If we vaccinate 65% of the population by winter then we might get away with it and not need restrictions but that's not certain. The fact that we likely won't be able to start vaccinating the under 18s before winter means we likely won't achieve 70-85% total population vaccination next winter. The following winter will be a different story as the vaccine will be approved for children by then so we can achieve herd immunity unless lots of people refuse to get vaccinated.

It's important to vaccinate the old and vulnerable but herd immunity is the goal as it will mean we likely won't need restrictions from that point on. It's interesting how some people have decided we don't need herd immunity once they realised we wouldn't reach herd immunity. The fact is that we'll likely get close to herd immunity next winter so it remains uncertain whether we'll get away without restrictions or not.

Where have you seen that?

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 11:50AM

dominatinMC wrote: »

Where have you seen that?

They’ve been the numbers since early on. I don’t have a source. I’m open to correction if the estimates have been updated.

dominatinMC · 16-03-2021 11:54AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They’ve been the numbers since early on. I don’t have a source. I’m open to correction if the estimates have been updated.

That's fair enough. I initially heard 65-70% being quoted. But, again, don't have a source. But this comes back to justification and public goodwill. I find it very difficult to envisage a situation where we will have compliance with restrictions if we have ~70% vaccinated. People just won't buy into it

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 12:03PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

That's fair enough. I initially heard 65-70% being quoted. But, again, don't have a source. But this comes back to justification and public goodwill. I find it very difficult to envisage a situation where we will have compliance with restrictions if we have ~70% vaccinated. People just won't buy into it

I think it will come down to the same factors as Christmas. If the virus is out of control and the numbers are going haywire, then people would go along with it.

The vaccinated population means the number of transmissions won’t be the most important number anymore, but the hospitalisation and death will be important.

pottokblue · 16-03-2021 02:05PM

With this weather its time to reopen pubs, outdoordining,takeaways etc.....

El_Duderino 09 · 16-03-2021 02:09PM

pottokblue wrote: »

With this weather its time to reopen pubs, outdoordining,takeaways etc.....

Weather is fickle at this time of year. They’re waiting for April and May to reopen for that reason amongst others.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 16-03-2021 02:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Weather is fickle at this time of year. They’re waiting for April and May to reopen for that reason amongst others.

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

giveitholly · 16-03-2021 02:26PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

There will be people drinking takeaway pints tomorrow

ShyMets · 16-03-2021 02:26PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

They're are pubs currently offering takeaway pints.

It's perfectly legal. Though frowned upon

stephenjmcd · 16-03-2021 02:28PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

Really because you can get them now. It's legal

Plumbthedepths · 16-03-2021 02:36PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

I agree with you no sooner than July.......https://www.newstalk.com/news/fears-dublin-city-will-be-packed-on-patricks-day-amid-spike-in-takeaway-pints-1164848

seansouth36 · 16-03-2021 03:00PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can forget about takeaway pints til July at the earliest.

Had takeaway pints by the Dodder in Ringsend the weekend before last. Me and the GF sat on our own on the grass, lovely day for it. Lots of places are doing takeaway pints, so not sure what you mean.

Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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