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The Great Reset

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    pearcider wrote: »
    So instead of having the option of driving an old but reliable car (avoiding the banks and finance companies) and simply requiring to pay the government their vig in the form of tax/insurance, you want drivers to be enslaved by a private corporation too. How can you be so naive.

    There is/would be nothing to stop people owning their own cars, just as you are free to buy a generator and generate your own electricity today (do you think the ESB have us enslaved?).

    It's just that if it was cheaper and more convenient to just rent a car that was parked on your street, whenever you needed it, people might do that instead. And if they did that, what would be wrong with that?

    Also, car tax goes to the government (where it contributes to paving the roads),
    but insurance goes to your insurance company.
    pearcider wrote: »
    These corporations just want to get in on the governments act of taxing the average person and making people less financially independent. Except you can’t vote the fat cats out and they make billions for themselves while you have to meet your payment this month and every month. And God help you if you lose your job or get sick. No car for you.

    These companies are just businesses whose objective is to make money by providing a service.
    They're not taxing people, and I can't see how they would have any interest in making people less financially independent.

    The cars in Dublin are pay as you go, so you don't have a monthly fee. I just looked one up and it's 9 to 10 euro / hour for a small car, so you could go to the supermarket at the weekend and do a big shop for 20 quid, and it'd be more convenient that two taxi fares, and no annual tax or insurance to pay!

    I could understand your objection if, for eg., your politics leaned towards communism, and no offence if you do!
    However in our current system surely it's just good business, and if it keeps the customers happy what is the problem?
    pearcider wrote: »
    Mussolini stated succinctly that Fascism was the merger of state and corporate power. That’s the great reset and the philosophy of the party of Davos in a nut shell. The sooner these hypocrites are strung up the better.

    I can't see any merger of state and corporate power on the cards in the foreseeable!
    How would you see that coming into being, or even working (in democratic countries)?

    I do, however, see a need to regulate the big media and social media companies,
    but that's another subject, and has nothing to do with what you are calling the great reset.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    PintOfView wrote: »

    How would you see that coming into being, or even working (in democratic countries)?

    the central bank? And no, it's not working?
    at present.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    So instead of having the option of driving an old but reliable car (avoiding the banks and finance companies) and simply requiring to pay the government their vig in the form of tax/insurance, you want drivers to be enslaved by a private corporation too. How can you be so naive.

    These corporations just want to get in on the governments act of taxing the average person and making people less financially independent. Except you can’t vote the fat cats out and they make billions for themselves while you have to meet your payment this month and every month. And God help you if you lose your job or get sick. No car for you.

    Mussolini stated succinctly that Fascism was the merger of state and corporate power. That’s the great reset and the philosophy of the party of Davos in a nut shell. The sooner these hypocrites are strung up the better.

    "Corporate-fascism", another one to add to the list. Between the NWO, Communists, Satan, Fascism, etc they really have a packed secret agenda to the economic forum this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    PintOfView wrote: »
    Why is it not desirable? If 50% of today's car owners got rid of their cars and opted to rent, wouldn't that be better for the planet (less cars would need to be made, etc)?

    For people who cycle or use public transport to go to work a rentable car that is parked near your house seems like a good compromise, and much cheaper than running your own! It might also be an attractive option instead of having a second car, for eg.

    This is pretty popular with businesses and workers in large cities. Cars are expensive and they sit idle 95% of the time. There are companies that you can subscribe to and just book a car for when you need it.


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is pretty popular with businesses and workers in large cities. Cars are expensive and they sit idle 95% of the time. There are companies that you can subscribe to and just book a car for when you need it.
    I think the fear is if they system becomes the norm, when the New World Order or whatever finally reveals itself and finally declares martial law, it will stop people from using this service.

    And if they don't have access to a car then people can't live out their fantasy of being a post apocalyptic revolutionary hero.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This is pretty popular with businesses and workers in large cities. Cars are expensive and they sit idle 95% of the time. There are companies that you can subscribe to and just book a car for when you need it.

    Sounds boring

    Why not embellish it with an edgy narrative, e.g. the corporates and elites are trying to take ownership away from the people, force us into "rental enslavement", controlling our choices, all that good stuff. Create a tenuous link with the WEF and top the whole lot off by insinuating everyone is too stupid/naive to see all this.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,070 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Mod: Off topic posts deleted, this isn't the place for such discussion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    King Mob wrote: »
    I think the fear is if they system becomes the norm, when the New World Order or whatever finally reveals itself and finally declares martial law, it will stop people from using this service.

    And if they don't have access to a car then people can't live out their fantasy of being a post apocalyptic revolutionary hero.

    Well just in the way one can be deplatformed from YouTube for not conforming to their social norms, what’s to stop the car pooling mega corporation (and there will be one because government always raises barriers to entry for new companies and protects monopolies) from stopping you driving in the future unless you also conform.

    Do you think the government wages a war against older cars because of environmental or safety concerns? No it does so to support the banks who finance it all at interest (another cartel protected by competitive regulations).

    So the corporate facist state is already here. They just have more sophisticated marketing techniques than Mussolini had.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    pearcider wrote: »
    Well just in the way one can be deplatformed from YouTube for not conforming to their social norms, what’s to stop the car pooling mega corporation (and there will be one because government always raises barriers to entry for new companies and protects monopolies) from stopping you driving in the future unless you also conform.

    But aren't people kicked off YouTube for peddling falsehoods, which deceive people, and spread false information.
    How would that apply to a car pool?
    You could probably be banned for damaging cars, or something like that, but what else would concern you?
    pearcider wrote: »
    Do you think the government wages a war against older cars because of environmental or safety concerns? No it does so to support the banks who finance it all at interest (another cartel protected by competitive regulations).

    I don't agree with you there. The government will be working to environmental and safety concerns, and might be influenced the SIMI, but I can't see the banks having anything to do with it!
    The government are not some hidden group, they're the TDs you and I elect, and it's they that make policy, in conjunction with senior civil servants, and it's reasonably transparent!
    pearcider wrote: »
    So the corporate facist state is already here. They just have more sophisticated marketing techniques than Mussolini had.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're wrong there too.

    And if you say "the corporate facist state is already here" what's left for the great reset to do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    Well just in the way one can be deplatformed from YouTube for not conforming to their social norms

    People are kicked off Youtube for spreading lies and disinformation.
    So the corporate facist state is already here.

    *According to you personally. That's a really important caveat to point out on this forum.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    People are kicked off Youtube for spreading lies and disinformation.



    *According to you personally. That's a really important caveat to point out on this forum.

    People are deplatformed for daring to have conservative or Christian views. So-called liberals (the hypocrite elitists that run Hollywood and the party of Davos) don’t get deplatformed because their creed fits in with the toxic culture of neo liberalism. It goes without saying that Silicon Valley is among the most powerful evangelists of this new religion of total obedience to the corporate state. Not content with avoiding taxes and destroying or subsuming all who dare to compete with them they wage constant war to maintain control of the narrative. It’s their way or the highway and god love you if you make your living using their platforms.

    But you’ve swallowed their kool aid so I don’t expect you to care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    pearcider wrote: »
    People are deplatformed for daring to have conservative or Christian views. So-called liberals (the hypocrite elitists that run Hollywood and the party of Davos) don’t get deplatformed because their creed fits in with the toxic culture of neo liberalism. It goes without saying that Silicon Valley is among the most powerful evangelists of this new religion of total obedience to the corporate state. Not content with avoiding taxes and destroying or subsuming all who dare to compete with them they wage constant war to maintain control of the narrative. It’s their way or the highway and god love you if you make your living using their platforms.

    But you’ve swallowed their kool aid so I don’t expect you to care.

    Many words being abused in that statement. Instead of copying and pasting from some cretins wordpress can you just try and be somewhat relevant to the discussion, rants are tedious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Many words being abused in that statement. Instead of copying and pasting from some cretins wordpress can you just try and be somewhat relevant to the discussion, rants are tedious.

    We live in a fake world with fake narratives. Your baseless accusations of copy pasta just say to me you’re another brainwashed drone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Excellent story ville documentary on bbc now about child abuse by the rich and powerful in Jersey and an incredible cover up about it. Dark Secrets of the trillion dollar island Garene. For those who don’t believe or refuse to believe in conspiracy theories and the dark forces that actually rule the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    pearcider wrote: »
    We live in a fake world with fake narratives. Your baseless accusations of copy pasta just say to me you’re another brainwashed drone.

    Another empty statement. Have you any thoughts yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    But you’ve swallowed their kool aid so I don’t expect you to care.

    "My world view is fact and anyone who doesn't adhere is brainwashed". Yes we get this in here a lot. For quite a few pages there we were living in a Communist super-state, all was about to reveal itself, bit of a disappointment really, think I prefer the "corpo-fascist" dystopia myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    Excellent story ville documentary on bbc now about child abuse by the rich and powerful in Jersey and an incredible cover up about it. Dark Secrets of the trillion dollar island Garene. For those who don’t believe or refuse to believe in conspiracy theories and the dark forces that actually rule the world.

    Ah the BBC, one day it's state-controlled fake news, the next it's exposing the deep state elites that secretly run the world


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Ah the BBC, one day it's state-controlled fake news, the next it's exposing the deep state elites that secretly run the world

    You are such a cheap poster. Did you watch the documentary? It actually deals with how the media was the hero of the victims one minute and destroying them the next. The mass media has always been the tool of the elites that’s not to say there are not good journalists many whom have even given their lives to expose corruption. In this case two bloggers who wouldn’t let the story die. Despite overwhelming pressure from all sides including from the mainstream media.

    The elites don’t secretly rule the world by the way, they openly run it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭pearcider


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    "My world view is fact and anyone who doesn't adhere is brainwashed". Yes we get this in here a lot. For quite a few pages there we were living in a Communist super-state, all was about to reveal itself, bit of a disappointment really, think I prefer the "corpo-fascist" dystopia myself.

    Do you own the forum now? Who is this “we” you speak of? Have you and king mob formed a little team? Let me guess. You thank him and he thanks you and we get to enjoy your wonderfully original insights and incisive wit. Personally I find you really boring.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Ah the BBC, one day it's state-controlled fake news, the next it's exposing the deep state elites that secretly run the world

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/armed-guards-stationed-hotels-enforce-23434873

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/like-a-fancy-version-of-prison-state-to-follow-nz-quarantine-model-1.4508925?mode=amp

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/us-fund-apollo-raises-204m-to-buy-irish-hotel-group-tifco-1.3703403?mode=amp

    "Apollo Global Management, Inc., is a global alternative investment manager firm. It was founded in 1990 by Leon Black"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Global_Management

    Leon Black is a member of the Council for Foreign Relations, and also well known for this:

    "On Monday, lawyers for Apollo pointed to that professional relationship to explain why its founder had paid $158m to Epstein over a five-year period ending in 2017"

    https://www.ft.com/content/23448802-3ee8-4c3c-bb46-fc02e304f3ed

    There you have it in plain sight-the Irish government is signing a deal to keep people under armed guard with a deep stater who paid vast sums to the man who ran an elite paedophile and human trafficking ring.

    Every word of the above paragraph is 100% factual. There's no opinion or conjecture; those are all mainstream sources.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    pearcider wrote: »
    You are such a cheap poster. Did you watch the documentary? It actually deals with how the media was the hero of the victims one minute and destroying them the next. The mass media has always been the tool of the elites that’s not to say there are not good journalists many whom have even given their lives to expose corruption. In this case two bloggers who wouldn’t let the story die. Despite overwhelming pressure from all sides including from the mainstream media.

    The elites don’t secretly rule the world by the way, they openly run it.

    Right. It's a pretty convenient conspiracy when you think about it, the media are part of it when it suits, they aren't when it doesn't. Likewise, the "rich and powerful" are evil and part of an all-agreeing nefarious cabal, except for those that the individual likes, then, by some remarkable coincidence, they aren't part of it. Like how Elon Musk is part of this thing for some and not for others depending on how much they like space travel. Or Trump depending on which way they politically swing.

    Then there's the Great Reset economic forum that was held in January, if it's all out in the "open", then they sure are big into the environment and sustainability, and common sense solutions to real-world problems, almost as if they are normal human beings and not cartoonishly evil super-villains.


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    Then there's the Great Reset economic forum that was held in January, if it's all out in the "open", then they sure are big into the environment and sustainability, and common sense solutions to real-world problems, almost as if they are normal human beings and not cartoonishly evil super-villains.
    At the same time we're being told that they're doing all of this in the open and that it's obvious but also they're doing it in secret.

    When conspiracy theorists want to use the WEF itself as a source or other mainstream sources, then they're being open and obvious.
    But when we ask where the WEF says anything about stripping people of their property or installing a Nazi-commie government, well then they're obviously keeping that secret.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    pearcider wrote: »
    You are such a cheap poster. Did you watch the documentary? It actually deals with how the media was the hero of the victims one minute and destroying them the next. The mass media has always been the tool of the elites that’s not to say there are not good journalists many whom have even given their lives to expose corruption. In this case two bloggers who wouldn’t let the story die. Despite overwhelming pressure from all sides including from the mainstream media.

    The elites don’t secretly rule the world by the way, they openly run it.
    pearcider wrote: »
    Do you own the forum now? Who is this “we” you speak of? Have you and king mob formed a little team? Let me guess. You thank him and he thanks you and we get to enjoy your wonderfully original insights and incisive wit. Personally I find you really boring.

    Mod - tone down the anger a few notches if you want to continue posting here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    pearcider wrote: »
    People are deplatformed for daring to have conservative or Christian views...

    How come there are any number of Christian youtubers, etc., who are not deplatformed?

    Are you saying that you think it's Christian to promote falsehoods and misinformation?

    Have you an example of a Christian deplatformed for their Christian views?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    pearcider wrote: »
    Excellent story ville documentary on bbc now about child abuse by the rich and powerful in Jersey and an incredible cover up about it. Dark Secrets of the trillion dollar island Garene. For those who don’t believe or refuse to believe in conspiracy theories and the dark forces that actually rule the world.

    Just from reading a quick summary of it, it sounds like the people trying to cover it up didn't want Jersey's reputation to be damaged, as it was/is an offshore tax haven with billions invested in it. Those trying to cover up likely weren't child abusers themselves.

    How is that different to what the church did in Ireland, and elsewhere, in exactly the same circumstances?

    As regards the 'dark forces' that rule the world, isn't it facilitated by people who don't see anything wrong with lying and covering up, if it's for what they regard as the right reasons?
    The word Hypocrisy comes to mind!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    sabat wrote: »
    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/armed-guards-stationed-hotels-enforce-23434873

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/like-a-fancy-version-of-prison-state-to-follow-nz-quarantine-model-1.4508925?mode=amp

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/us-fund-apollo-raises-204m-to-buy-irish-hotel-group-tifco-1.3703403?mode=amp

    "Apollo Global Management, Inc., is a global alternative investment manager firm. It was founded in 1990 by Leon Black"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Global_Management

    Leon Black is a member of the Council for Foreign Relations, and also well known for this:

    "On Monday, lawyers for Apollo pointed to that professional relationship to explain why its founder had paid $158m to Epstein over a five-year period ending in 2017"

    https://www.ft.com/content/23448802-3ee8-4c3c-bb46-fc02e304f3ed

    There you have it in plain sight-the Irish government is signing a deal to keep people under armed guard with a deep stater who paid vast sums to the man who ran an elite paedophile and human trafficking ring.

    Every word of the above paragraph is 100% factual. There's no opinion or conjecture; those are all mainstream sources.

    The gist of all those links is as follows:
    - The government is organising quarantining for incoming travellers.
    - The Times says quarantining will be organised with a single hotel operator, believed to be Tifco, the second largest hotel operator in the country, who have three hotels at Dublin Airport.
    - Tifco hotel group was bought out by Apollo Global in 2018
    - Apollo Global take other people's money and invest it in real estate and other things.
    - Apollo Global was founded by three people in 1990, one of whom was Leon Black.
    - Leon Black seems to have had both a business and personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

    I've highlighted above what you seem to conclude from all that,
    however I'm not sure what exactly you're saying?
    Are you saying the government set out to find hotels run by someone like Black?

    Is it not more likely that the government dept. simply looked for hotels at Dublin Airport, and took the best deal?

    Have you ever stayed in a hotel? If so, do you know who owned it?
    Could it even have been Apollo Global, and if it was Apollo, what would that prove about you?

    And also, what is a 'deep stater'?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    PintOfView wrote: »
    The gist of all those links is as follows:
    - The government is organising quarantining for incoming travellers.
    - The Times says quarantining will be organised with a single hotel operator, believed to be Tifco, the second largest hotel operator in the country, who have three hotels at Dublin Airport.
    - Tifco hotel group was bought out by Apollo Global in 2018
    - Apollo Global take other people's money and invest it in real estate and other things.
    - Apollo Global was founded by three people in 1990, one of whom was Leon Black.
    - Leon Black seems to have had both a business and personal relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

    I've highlighted above what you seem to conclude from all that,
    however I'm not sure what exactly you're saying?
    Are you saying the government set out to find hotels run by someone like Black?

    Is it not more likely that the government dept. simply looked for hotels at Dublin Airport, and took the best deal?

    Have you ever stayed in a hotel? If so, do you know who owned it?
    Could it even have been Apollo Global, and if it was Apollo, what would that prove about you?

    And also, what is a 'deep stater'?

    He's the CEO of Apollo. No public tender offer was published by the government. He's a member of the CFR; if you don't know what "deep state" means google it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,448 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    PintOfView wrote: »

    And also, what is a 'deep stater'?

    Its a stupid conspiracy theory.


  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sabat wrote: »
    No public tender offer was published by the government.
    Are you claiming that the government went into this deal because they are involved in a conspiracy?
    If so, could you point out where in your links this is stated since:
    "Every word of the above paragraph is 100% factual. There's no opinion or conjecture; those are all mainstream sources."

    Also by the same token, could you point out where in your links it refers to anyone as a "deepstater".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,192 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    King Mob wrote: »
    Are you claiming that the government went into this deal because they are involved in a conspiracy?
    If so, could you point out where in your links this is stated since:
    "Every word of the above paragraph is 100% factual. There's no opinion or conjecture; those are all mainstream sources."

    Also by the same token, could you point out where in your links it refers to anyone as a "deepstater".

    Some business deal happened involving people. One of the people knew another person who turned out to be a pedophile/sex offender. Therefore "Deep State".


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