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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #6092
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    ek motor wrote: »
    Would be humiliating for the EU politically , but Europe can do with all the vaccines it can get right now

    what makes you think there is significant inventory of the Russian vaccine.

    I'm all for it but Russia hasn't even vaccinated large portions of its own population yet.
    The Chinese one may be better in terms of pure supply capabilities.

    My guess is that neither will be available in massive supply before the Pfizer/ Moderna / J&J / Novovax / AZ options...

    however efficacy looks good so they should approve assuming the safety data is ok


  • #6093
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Vicxas wrote: »
    At this stage the EU needs to stop grandstanding and eat some humble pie. Their citizens are suffering.

    Then we can all start bitching about Sputnik not keeping up with their supply promises from factories that haven't even been built yet.


  • #6094
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Then we can all start bitching about Sputnik not keeping up with their supply promises from factories that haven't even been built yet.

    Better some than none?


  • #6095
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Better some than none?

    For sure and we'll be able to pass it on to third countries or use it as a booster. I'm not saying don't , just don't pin any hopes on it.


  • #6096
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Can you add the actual numbers instead of percentages please? Very vague post , are you purposely trying to frighten us
    You're scared by the use of percentages?


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  • #6097
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,142 ✭✭✭Polar101


    ek motor wrote: »
    Would be humiliating for the EU politically , but Europe can do with all the vaccines it can get right now

    Aren't they just selling the manufacturing licences? Russia doesn't actually have any vaccines stored up in a warehouse somewhere.

    Meanwhile the other vaccines are already being produced, so Sputnik is only useful for a country in a really bad situation, or a country without big vaccine deals.


  • #6098
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You're scared by the use of percentages?

    What a stupid post.

    The post being referred to just has %'s, no data and no conext.

    One of many problems is it says primarlily Kent variant but only 3 countires have the % of the variant.

    Its a ridiculous text dump.

    Using words like "convulsed " too :rolleyes:


  • #6099
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    big syke wrote: »
    Stupid post.

    The post being referred to just has %'s, no data and no conext.

    One of many problems is it says primarlily Kent variant but only 3 countires have the % of the variant.

    Its a ridiculous text dump.
    A bit rich calling my post stupid and then claiming percentages aren't data...


  • #6100
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Ficheall wrote: »
    A bit rich calling my post stupid and then claiming percentages aren't data...

    It was stupid boardering on trolling asking was someone afraid of percentages.

    I never said %'s are not data.

    But a bunch of % increases with no backup is useless.


  • #6101
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    big syke wrote: »
    I never said %'s are not data.
    You literally said the post "just has %' s, no data"..


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  • #6102
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You literally said the post "just has %' s, no data"..

    I never claimed percentages are not data.

    My post is true. I said just has %' s, no data, no context".

    Is this not true?

    There is no back up data. Its a bunch of 5's with no back up so no context.

    A 50% increase can look a lot different if you provide some context.


  • #6103
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Ficheall wrote: »
    You literally said the post "just has %' s, no data"..

    Percentages of what and since when ?

    54% of posts on this forum are lies, 63%of people know this

    Countries with a 1% from yesterday could be 100 cases yesterday 101 cases today. Post was nonsense trying to scare people


  • #6104
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Percentages of what and since when ?

    54% of posts on this forum are lies, 63%of people know this

    Countries with a 1% from yesterday could be 100 cases yesterday 101 cases today. Post was nonsense trying to scare people

    He knows this im sure. It comes from the same guy who doestn understand the limitations of the R number.


  • #6105
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Percentages of what and since when ?
    Percentage change of cases over the last two weeks - it says it right there in the post...


  • #6106
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The variant first discovered in the UK is 55% more lethal. (not intended to offend anyone scared by percentages)

    Very comprehensive study in Nature now. Talk about bad timing with the meaningful Christmas.
    We find that B.1.1.7, the UK coronavirus variant identified in late 2020, is associated with 55% higher COVID-19 mortality than other lineages.

    https://twitter.com/_nickdavies/status/1371441682089132032?s=20


  • #6107
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Panthro wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/3/15/unthinkable-eu-considers-russias-sputnik-v-vaccine

    From Russia with love, everyone!

    Truth is stranger than fiction.


  • #6108
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The variant first discovered in the UK is 55% more lethal. (not intended to offend anyone scared by percentages)

    Very comprehensive study in Nature now. Talk about bad timing with the meaningful Christmas.



    https://twitter.com/_nickdavies/status/1371441682089132032?s=20

    We should probably be scared more by the increased mortality rate than by the %.


  • #6109
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    You could almost predict the RTÉ headlines stemming from that paper..


  • #6110
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Does anyone else get the feeling that there is too much noise from too many people who have access to Media.

    Micheál Martin
    Leo Varadkar
    Stephen Donnelly
    Tony Holohan
    Philip Nolan
    Paul Reid
    Ronan Glynn
    Karina Butler

    Why cant there not be just 1 person to do the talking?

    Everyone else can just refer to that spokesperson.


  • #6111
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,797 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Does anyone else get the feeling that there is too much noise from too many people who have access to Media.

    Micheál Martin
    Leo Varadkar
    Stephen Donnelly
    Tony Holohan
    Philip Nolan
    Paul Reid
    Ronan Glynn
    Karina Butler

    Why cant there not be just 1 person to do the talking?

    Everyone else can just refer to that spokesperson.

    That would be the sensible thing to do.

    Which is why it'll never happen here


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  • #6112
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Does anyone else get the feeling that there is too much noise from too many people who have access to Media.

    Micheál Martin
    Leo Varadkar
    Stephen Donnelly
    Tony Holohan
    Philip Nolan
    Paul Reid
    Ronan Glynn
    Karina Butler

    Why cant there not be just 1 person to do the talking?

    Everyone else can just refer to that spokesperson.
    I guess it's because they all have more things to do than talk to the media?


  • #6113
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,882 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    That would be the sensible thing to do.

    Which is why it'll never happen here

    There are too many - but 1 person wouldn't work either, in reality.

    If MM or Stephen Donnelly were asked a question and said you had to ask the other guy, what would the reaction from the public and media be? Understanding?

    Same with Leo. Same with Tony Holohan - imagine if he started not talking about it. the antivax and anti-nepht crowds would go even more insane.


  • #6114
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I guess it's because they all have more things to do than talk to the media?

    ?

    They all talk to the media all the time.

    Why not channel all info and updates to 1 person who is spokesman.

    Doesnt have to be any of the people listed..

    They seems all of them have plenty of time to speak to the media separately


  • #6115
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    There are too many - but 1 person wouldn't work either, in reality.

    If MM or Stephen Donnelly were asked a question and said you had to ask the other guy, what would the reaction from the public and media be? Understanding?

    Same with Leo. Same with Tony Holohan - imagine if he started not talking about it. the antivax and anti-nepht crowds would go even more insane.

    We need a Jen Psaki


  • #6116
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    ?

    They all talk to the media all the time.

    Why not channel all info and updates to 1 person who is spokesman.

    Doesnt have to be any of the people listed..

    They seems all of them have plenty of time to speak to the media separately

    A politician should be in attendance at all NPHET press conferences. But it wont happen because one can defer to the other to avoid answering questions. Mind you the questions the journalist ask are mostly inane.


  • #6117
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    ?

    They all talk to the media all the time.

    Why not channel all info and updates to 1 person who is spokesman.

    Doesnt have to be any of the people listed..

    They seems all of them have plenty of time to speak to the media separately
    Different levels of knowledge and understanding. Politically we have about 3 who talk, the rest as appropriate.


  • #6118
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,056 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    big syke wrote: »
    I never said %'s are not data.
    big syke wrote: »
    The post being referred to just has %'s, no data.
    big syke wrote: »
    I never claimed percentages are not data.
    big syke wrote: »
    The post being referred to just has %'s, no data.
    big syke wrote: »
    My post is true. I said just has %' s, no data, no context".

    Is this not true?
    It is true that you said that. It is not true that it has no data.

    I guess it is true that the post contains no data OTHER than the data it contains, if that's what you meant to say.

    I do understand the limitations of percentages (and the R number, since you mention it) - but they are data. That was my point.
    Accusing a poster of trying to frighten people just because data is presented in a particular format, instead of looking it up in whatever format one finds easier to digest, seems unreasonable.


    Eskimohunt could have provided the data in the form "an increase from X to Y", I'm sure, and that would have been more data, yes, but then people who, for example, don't understand percentages, might have found it difficult to compare the countries.


    Edit: This all the while assuming, of course, that Eskimohunt's numbers were correct - I have not verified anything; I'm just arguing semantics.


  • #6119
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Different levels of knowledge and understanding. Politically we have about 3 who talk, the rest as appropriate.

    This is not the case

    its getting to the stage that the general public dont know who is responsible.

    its seems everyone and no one is.


  • #6120
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    This is not the case

    its getting to the stage that the general public dont know who is responsible.

    its seems everyone and no one is.

    That's funny. Most people know exactly who is responsible.
    You get those people who think Tony Holohan is the devil but then again they probably don't like their own doctor and the advice he/she gives.

    taoiseach 1 and 2 are responsible. That's where the buck stops.

    Of course they'd say the virus is responsible to which I'd say "it's your response to the virus is what has caused much of the pain suffering by most."

    Easier to blame Tony though. Being the leader of a country isn't just about sharing bowls of shamrock.


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  • #6121
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Percentages of what and since when ?

    54% of posts on this forum are lies, 63%of people know this

    Countries with a 1% from yesterday could be 100 cases yesterday 101 cases today. Post was nonsense trying to scare people

    How is it nonsense ? The whole point of the post was to show the (significant) uptick of cases across much of Europe.

    Be scared if you want, but it is what it is, and the poster posted factual data.


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