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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5732
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    We are not in lockdown and never were.

    If you were out today you would know that.

    Of course we are, nowhere open nothing to do can’t go away, FFS most people haven’t left their 5km radius. If that’s ain’t locked down then I don’t not what is.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #5733
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deleted User wrote: »
    47million vaccines have been injected so far in the EU, out of a global total of 345million.

    That is a poor reflection on the rest of the world rather than an impressive feat in Europe. That's only 10% of europe's population and most of that number are not even fully vaccinated, vaccine has been here for over 2 months now. Just awful I'm sorry but that's absolutely tiny I didn't think my expectations were even that high tbh


  • #5734
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,605 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If a 4th wave hits Europe and cases increase in Ireland, we may be about to teach the world a very important lesson in how useless lockdowns actually are.

    Almost half a year of severe lockdown and cases spiking wouldn’t be a good look for lockdown.

    While I certainly don’t want cases to increase, it would be great for people to understand that the illness peaks when it peaks regardless of restrictions.

    We can stop blaming Christmas if cases increase while in severe lockdown.

    We exited lockdown at the start of December with cases in the 200's per day - we went back into lockdown a month later with cases approaching 10,000. And while in lockdown, cases have gone from that figure down to 600.

    I don't understand how you can claim lockdowns don't work to reduce cases. It's completely clear that they do.


  • #5735
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    That's impressive but not nearly enough.

    Are you suggesting they raid the az warehouse in the US which the us government are not permitting them to export? Because otherwise that is all the vaccines available. Supply is limited for the moment. Manufacturing cannot be turned on in the blink of a eye. I am shocked at how many people fail to understand the basics of supply chains


  • #5736
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    That is a poor reflection on the rest of the world rather than an impressive feat in Europe. That's only 10% of europe's population and most of that number are not even fully vaccinated, vaccine has been here for over 2 months now. Just awful I'm sorry but that's absolutely tiny I didn't think my expectations were even that high tbh

    Let’s just create vaccines out of thin air. Sure it’s easy


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  • #5737
    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,735 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    Of course we are, nowhere open nothing to do can’t go away, FFS most people haven’t left their 5km radius. If that’s ain’t locked down then I don’t not what is.
    Found it hard to believe most people have not left there 5km radius to be honest with you in the last 8 weeks.


  • #5738
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Let’s just create vaccines out of thin air. Sure it’s easy

    Shame the likes of J&J don't just offer the vaccine recipe or formula free to the world. It would mean small countries could re-purpose any plants they have that are capable to produce domestically.


  • #5739
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Are you suggesting they raid the az warehouse in the US which the us government are not permitting them to export? Because otherwise that is all the vaccines available. Supply is limited for the moment. Manufacturing cannot be turned on in the blink of a eye. I am shocked at how many people fail to understand the basics of supply chains

    What are you on about? It's not enough to stave off another lockdown it most eu countries.

    No point getting all upset at me about about it. It's just maths.

    Are you denying that it's not enough? Interested to hear how you spin this. Thanks.


    https://twitter.com/chicoharlan/status/1370377636321636358?s=20


  • #5740
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Shame the likes of J&J don't just offer the vaccine recipe or formula free to the world. It would mean small countries could re-purpose any plants they have that are capable to produce domestically.

    How long do you believe it takes to repurpose a pharma plant to manufacture a new product, complete qualification testing and gain approval from regulators? And even then, look at why AZ have had trouble supplying Europe. Even when they transferred the process they still cannot achieve the yields they could initially. Drug manufacturing is not simply about a “recipe”. The manufacturing process itself is an inherent part of creating consistent and reliable finished product

    Also, bio-pharma plants all over the world generally have most of their capacity tied up in supplying other essential drugs


  • #5741
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    What are you on about? It's not enough to stave off another lockdown it most eu countries.

    No point getting all upset at me about about it. It's just maths.

    Are you denying that it's not enough? Interested to hear how you spin this. Thanks.

    It’s not enough, but it’s more than most. It bares repeating. There are not hundreds of millions of doses waiting around for someone to purchase. You cannot just wish manufacturing capacity into existence


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  • #5742
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not enough, but it’s more than most. It bares repeating. There are not hundreds of millions of doses waiting around for someone to purchase. You cannot just wish manufacturing capacity into existence

    You should tell that to US, UK and Israel. They are just not being realistic so. If only there was some way to see this coming........


  • #5743
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1370871975552372738

    It's interesting, the new wave is very consistently and clearly spreading west across the continent. Odd some of the patterns the virus takes, there does seem to be climactic and geographic influences as there are often times such similar trajectories across large areas that operate under different covid restrictions, but you'd wonder why it would be in this pattern from west to east and only beginning in Spring time.


  • #5744
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How long do you believe it takes to repurpose a pharma plant to manufacture a new product, complete qualification testing and gain approval from regulators? And even then, look at why AZ have had trouble supplying Europe. Even when they transferred the process they still cannot achieve the yields they could initially. Drug manufacturing is not simply about a “recipe”. The manufacturing process itself is an inherent part of creating consistent and reliable finished product

    Also, bio-pharma plants all over the world generally have most of their capacity tied up in supplying other essential drugs

    It will be up to individual countries to certify the plant. I'm not talking about the EU, I'm talking about other countries. For example J&J and AZ both use Adenovirus-based vaccines. Australia is retooling or building a plant to manufacturer AZ. I'm asking as J&J is a single dose, if they switched to J&J they could possibly double the output. The main limiting factor is probably IP rights.

    I'm not talking about a factory making Viagra to suddenly change to vaccines overnight. I'm talking about the focus being on worldwide manufacturing the most streamlined vaccine. J&J being a single dose would be my guess.


  • #5745
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You should tell that to US, UK and Israel. They are just not being realistic so.

    They got their doses from the same limited global supply. Great for them, however for the EU to have gotten as many doses as the uk for example would have required getting 50% of the total vaccine available worldwide. Do you think that would have been possible? If one country gets more another gets less. Lots of wealthy countries are languishing well behind the EU. If we had been as sharp as the uk it’s possible an extra few % may have gotten their first dose. Someone else would have been short though. What the eu has ensured though is every member state has equal access. In another scenario the 47million doses gone to the eu would have ended up in Germany and France and the massive impacts we have already seen in nursing home and hcw transmission would be a long way down the line


  • #5746
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Sad that Australia gets a St Patrick's parade but ourselves can't for a second year. Always a nice day out.

    Yep we missed last year too as it all kicked off mid-March and Easter was quiet too so just stayed local.

    Making up for it this year, booked a week in Fingal Bay.

    Lots of celebs moving down here now to escape the misery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/hollywood-down-under-stars-flock-from-us-to-film-in-covid-free-australia


  • #5747
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It will be up to individual countries to certify the plant. I'm not talking about the EU, I'm talking about other countries. For example J&J and AZ both use Adenovirus-based vaccines. Australia is retooling or building a plant to manufacturer AZ. I'm asking as J&J is a single dose, if they switched to J&J they could possibly double the output. The main limiting factor is probably IP rights.

    I'm not talking about a factory making Viagra to suddenly change to vaccines overnight. I'm talking about the focus being on worldwide manufacturing the most streamlined vaccine. J&J being a single dose would be my guess.

    That may not be the case however. J&J could potentially yield up much lower. Eg. The biological reactor for AZ may result in 100k doses per batch, but the same processing plant may only be able to get 20k j&j per batch. We don’t know.


  • #5748
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They got their doses from the same limited global supply. Great for them, however for the EU to have gotten as many doses as the uk for example would have required getting 50% of the total vaccine available worldwide. Do you think that would have been possible? If one country gets more another gets less. Lots of wealthy countries are languishing well behind the EU. If we had been as sharp as the uk it’s possible an extra few % may have gotten their first dose. Someone else would have been short though. What the eu has ensured though is every member state has equal access. In another scenario the 47million doses gone to the eu would have ended up in Germany and France and the massive impacts we have already seen in nursing home and hcw transmission would be a long way down the line

    Without the EU, Israel wouldn't have a single dose (I'm just assuming it EU supply) and the UK instead of being at 36% would be at 14.5%.

    There's no way smaller countries in the EU could have gotten the doses they have, including Ireland. We'd be simply outbid by larger countries, as you say, Germany, France, Spain, Italy etc... The EU rollout is more unfair on those countries in a way.

    I don't agree that the EU should have nationalised the vaccine supply, but they really should have worked with vaccine makers to utilize all available production possible in the EU. Easier said then done when there's 4 vaccines now approved, which would you prioritize before they got approved?


  • #5749
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That may not be the case however. J&J could potentially yield up much lower. Eg. The biological reactor for AZ may result in 100k doses per batch, but the same processing plant may only be able to get 20k j&j per batch. We don’t know.

    But J&J and AZ know. Global Pandemic, they could be working together for the greater good.


  • #5750
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    US nearly vaccinated our population in one day.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1370878629098438657?s=20

    Amazing what can be done when they acknowledge the seriousness of it.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1364204609598816256?s=20


  • #5751
    sonofenoch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Sad that Australia gets a St Patrick's parade but ourselves can't for a second year. Always a nice day out.

    Paddys day a nice day out....


    away with the fairies , how apt :D


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  • #5752
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    US nearly vaccinated our population in one day.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1370878629098438657?s=20

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    Puts them just behind Israel, UAE & Chile for highest % in a day, I know they are 7 day rolling averages though. But UAE & Israel peaked at those figures, I think the US, especially with J&J coming on board, should keep going at that rate.


  • #5753
    Samsonsmasher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Samsonsmasher


    The Sarah Everard fiasco will hopefully wake people up.

    First of all Sarah Everard herself was in breach of the lockdown like no doubt millions of her fellow Britons who support lockdown but don't give a second thought about breaking it!

    The majority of the people at the vigil likely support lockdown but turned out in total breach of the lockdowns to attend the vigil.

    The police have their hands tied. The law is the law is the law and they have a duty to uphold it.

    The people at the vigil refused to disperse so the draconian lockdowns they supported all this time for others does not give an exemption to them and their refusal to comply was of course met with force.

    The chickens have come home to roost.

    Hopefully this will concentrate minds and wake people up to what lockdown means.

    It applies to everyone and takes everyone's freedom away and is devoid of compassion and common sense.


  • #5754
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    US nearly vaccinated our population in one day.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1370878629098438657?s=20

    Amazing what can be done when they acknowledge the seriousness of it.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1364204609598816256?s=20

    Be the equivalent of us doing approx. 68,000 vaccines in a day. Nearly our weekly amount!

    US also announced earlier this week, all adults will be eligible to apply for a vaccination by 1 May.


  • #5755
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Samsonsmasher wrote: »
    The Sarah Everard fiasco will hopefully wake people up.

    First of all Sarah Everard herself was in breach of the lockdown

    Sorry you lost me there. Her tragic death was not caused by her breaching lockdown, it was by her murder. Christ you swear as long as the murder obeyed lockdown, then it's her fault?


  • #5756
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1370871975552372738

    It's interesting, the new wave is very consistently and clearly spreading west across the continent. Odd some of the patterns the virus takes, there does seem to be climactic and geographic influences as there are often times such similar trajectories across large areas that operate under different covid restrictions, but you'd wonder why it would be in this pattern from west to east and only beginning in Spring time.

    Genuinely starting to think it was made in a a lab in China. Just listened to Jamie Metzl on JRE who is a WHO advisor and is extremely interested in its origins. Without saying it outright, it’s clear he thinks it was made in that Coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Whether it was leaked accidentally by a person or by an escaped animal we’ll likely never know as the CCP may have long covered up any evidence for it.

    Anyway, it’s probably a discussion for another thread but for those interested I’d check it out. I’m no crackpot conspiracy theorist either.


  • #5757
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Be the equivalent of us doing approx. 68,000 vaccines in a day. Nearly our weekly amount!

    What's our highest daily total? I know the US figure may include a backlog, but I doubt it a massive backlog.


  • #5758
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,286 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1370871975552372738

    It's interesting, the new wave is very consistently and clearly spreading west across the continent. Odd some of the patterns the virus takes, there does seem to be climactic and geographic influences as there are often times such similar trajectories across large areas that operate under different covid restrictions, but you'd wonder why it would be in this pattern from west to east and only beginning in Spring time.

    Maybe it's related to how long they have since coming out of last lockdown ?

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  • #5759
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Yep we missed last year too as it all kicked off mid-March and Easter was quiet too so just stayed local.

    Making up for it this year, booked a week in Fingal Bay.

    Lots of celebs moving down here now to escape the misery.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/mar/12/hollywood-down-under-stars-flock-from-us-to-film-in-covid-free-australia
    Imagine how much money we could be making off them if we had done things properly.

    Instead of letting the floodgates open.

    Utter chicanery. FFG are the biggest bunch of useless pricks.


  • #5760
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    All this talk of people needing to wake up is making me want to go to sleep.

    Stay safe.


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  • #5761
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,071 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    What's our highest daily total? I know the US figure may include a backlog, but I doubt it a massive backlog.

    I think it was about 19k


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