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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5372
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,052 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    prunudo wrote: »
    A bit of calm is required, yes its disappointing but we've seen this pattern before. Cases will stabilise at 500-600 cases for the next few days and then they'll start dropping again. Keep the faith.

    Need to start focusing on hospital admissions - that’s the only relevant metric now.


  • #5373
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    462 of today's reported cases shared between Dublin, Galway, Kildare, Offaly, Limerick, Meath.

    178 cases between the other 20 counties which is on average 9 cases each.


  • #5374
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Varadkar threatening no easing of restrictions if cases go up on Virgin Media

    I'm not sure threatening people who are already complying is a great tactic

    How is he threatening people?

    He like many ministers are relaying what government are thinking if cases go up or down like they have for the last 12 months.

    Threatening is a small bit dramatic!


  • #5375
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Need to start focusing on hospital admissions - that’s the only relevant metric now.

    Why ? We haven't even got our over 80s vaccinated

    It's a sh1tshow all around


  • #5376
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,043 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Need to start focusing on hospital admissions - that’s the only relevant metric now.

    Unfortunately it lags behind cases. So you lose ten days or so to react. Positive Cases is the earliest signal.


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  • #5377
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    People have not been acting like it's level 5 this time. Shops are all busy, traffic, gangs of teenagers etc.
    I dont think numbers will go down we'll just have to wait for the vaccine to be rolled out, ugh.


  • #5378
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Worrying numbers in Kildare lately, it's a big county I'd like to hear where. They won't be updating the LEA figures for a week. There's clearly a known outbreak by the way the figures are going (testing of close contacts), if you knew it was your area you'd bear it in mind.


  • #5379
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    We will never learn in this country

    There is no way the vaccines will out perform cases because Schools are open and we do not have the vaccine supplies.

    It really is as simple as that

    They can hide statistics, put it down to "household outbreaks" and other such bollix all they want

    For a year now they've being loathe to admit almost anything about Schools (whatever was said yesterday at the briefing was just a fraction of the situation) and they've dragged their feet on the airports to the point it's laughable

    A fcuking year

    Every time there's a glimmer of hope and great case numbers they do something that completely balls it up. In December they decided we "deserved a Christmas" during a once in fcuking century pandemic

    People are now in their backup reserve of "digging deep" inside themselves to keep going mentally, physically and spiritually in this country

    This is not "cases plateauing", it's the start of another rise and with a more lethal variant too

    What is more important? Schools open or a society that's literally falling apart?


    Sound over the top? Let's see where we are in 4 weeks if they stay open and talk to me then

    We. Have. Had. Enough

    So what's your plan?

    Keep schools closed until September??

    Then what?

    Keep everything closed until everyone is vaccinated?

    I'm delighted the schools are back and kids are getting an education.


  • #5380
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    How is he threatening people?

    He like many ministers are relaying what government are thinking if cases go up or down like they have for the last 12 months.

    Threatening is a small bit dramatic!

    How is it not threatening?

    Be good boys and girls or else we won't allow the small reopening of society in April


  • #5381
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This is no longer an Ireland problem, it's a regional one, and a Leinster one at that. Divide the country into a league table, top half of incidence rates and bottom half. Of the top 13 counties, 9 of them are Leinster counties. The top half (top 13) contains 75% of Leinster counties, 40% (2/5) of Connacht, 33% (1/3) of Ulster and 16% (1/6) of Munster.

    The incidence rate is now almost 11 times higher in Longford than it is in Leitrim. Leitrim would currently be able to sustain itself under Level 2 according to how it worked last summer. Longford is on a different planet numbers wise.

    The source of these regional discrepancies needs to be investigated rather than the usual palaver on television. Why is Level 5 in Cork, Kilkenny and Leitrim giving us conditions for Level 2 and why is Level 5 in Longford creating 11 times as much virus as those counties??


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  • #5382
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    prunudo wrote: »
    A bit of calm is required, yes its disappointing but we've seen this pattern before. Cases will stabilise at 500-600 cases for the next few days and then they'll start dropping again. Keep the faith.

    Not sure who is not calm or how you can tell but, while you might be proven correct, it is just a blind faith prediction. We have seen the opposite 'pattern' too - in early October figures were 500 or under nearly every day. A week later they had doubled. Previous patterns just tell us it could go either way.


  • #5383
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So what's your plan?

    Keep schools closed until September??

    Then what?

    Keep everything closed until everyone is vaccinated?

    I'm delighted the schools are back and kids are getting an education.

    They could at least stop blaming the public on case numbers and admit it comes with the territory of opening schools . Instead they treat is like idiots who arent intelligent enough to question anything


  • #5384
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Why ? We haven't even got our over 80s vaccinated

    We haven't?
    I thought we were on the verge of achieving that a few days ago?


  • #5385
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Obsession with case numbers needs to stop. Can’t stress this enough. All about deaths & hospitalisations.


  • #5386
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    We haven't?
    I thought we were on the verge of achieving that a few days ago?

    Over 85s yes

    Over 80s no


  • #5387
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Italy going into lockdown again.
    Getting bad in parts of Europe.


  • #5388
    ElektroToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭ElektroToad


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    So what's your plan?

    Keep schools closed until September??

    Then what?

    Keep everything closed until everyone is vaccinated?

    I'm delighted the schools are back and kids are getting an education.

    I don't think he's disagreeing about schools open.

    It's more that it's natural for cases to rise as society reopens. It's inevitable due to the nature of the virus.

    That's what makes the Government / NPHET narrative of blaming Joe Public for "slipping up" rather unfair and won't keep people on their side.


  • #5389
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    How is it not threatening?

    Be good boys and girls or else we won't allow the small reopening of society in April

    I think we can kiss that April opening goodbye. Probably more like June at this rate


  • #5390
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fits wrote: »
    Unfortunately it lags behind cases. So you lose ten days or so to react. Positive Cases is the earliest signal.

    Belgium tried that and some on here cheered them on.
    Didn't work out too well.
    Hospital admissions seem to be levelling of a little. That could be what we're seeing in the case numbers now.


  • #5391
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    They could at least stop blaming the public on case numbers and admit it comes with the territory of opening schools . Instead they treat is like idiots who arent intelligent enough to question anything

    Why are you hell bent on schools closing again?


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  • #5392
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Mick Martin on the six one news


  • #5393
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Obsession with case numbers needs to stop. Can’t stress this enough. All about deaths & hospitalisations.
    Hospitalisations and deaths are both a function of and predicted by case numbers. That's why the focus on them. In a country like ours with world class testing rates they are quite accurate also.


  • #5394
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Italy going into lockdown again.
    Getting bad in parts of Europe.

    Yet a lot of posters seem to think it's unique to Ireland and the rest of the world are getting pissed in pubs and nightclubs.


  • #5395
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Leftwaffe wrote: »
    Obsession with case numbers needs to stop. Can’t stress this enough. All about deaths & hospitalisations.


    Surely case numbers is the best predictor of deaths and hospitalisation? What you're saying is like saying 'stop obsessing about speeding and drink-driving, it's all about crashes and road fatalities. Talk of cases is a little mainstream for some people's tastes but it does appear to be relevant in foreshadowing crises of the kind you mention and until there's widespread vaccinations that link will remain.


  • #5396
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    marno21 wrote: »
    Hospitalisations and deaths are both a function of and predicted by case numbers. That's why the focus on them. In a country like ours with world class testing rates they are quite accurate also.

    With no vaccines in place yes, but with vaccines in place this is no longer the case.


  • #5397
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Why are you hell bent on schools closing again?

    Where did I said that ? They are open now . Thousands of unvaccinated people with a new contagious variant

    It's going to lead to an increase in cases

    So it's either to be accepted or not . Can't have it both ways


  • #5398
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Italy going into lockdown again.
    Getting bad in parts of Europe.

    For 3 days?


  • #5399
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I would have thought high numbers mean lots of hospital admissions and deaths in the coming weeks, that's why people are obsessing over case numbers


  • #5400
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Rosita wrote: »
    Surely case numbers is the best predictor of deaths and hospitalisation? What you're saying is like saying 'stop obsessing about speeding and drink-driving, it's all about crashes and road fatalities. Talk of cases is a little mainstream for some people's tastes but it does appear to be relevant in foreshadowing crises of the kind you mention and until there's widespread vaccinations that link will remain.
    It's actually trends that matter and NPHET favour the 5 day total. We seem to be heading for a plateau(another one). Such a scenario has implications for April 5.


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  • #5401
    [Deleted User]
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yet a lot of posters seem to think it's unique to Ireland and the rest of the world are getting pissed in pubs and nightclubs.

    Nobody is saying that. And "a lot"!? Not sure if you can, but I'd be encouraged to see the quotes/evidence on this one.

    That's an invisible straw man you have single-handedly and courageously demolished.

    But what we are saying is this: that three short and temporary lockdowns that punctuate something close to "living" is infinitely better than the assumption by NPHET that a perma-lockdown is almost always needed.


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