Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Successive governments have never really given a flying f**k about mental health. The underfunding of the sector has always been an issue . Covid is the only show in town.
Btw mentioning mental health here seems to attract the ire of a select few posters be careful.

I think at this stage many ( maybe most I don’t know ) are looking after their own and others mental health and taking things into their own hands .
Every single person I know has garden chats or chats at a good distance
People I know who have never broken a law or parked on a yellow line are breaking that restriction for their own sanity

We are extremely law abiding ourselves but have seen people in the garden with masks and at a distance. We know we are not being looked after by the Government in the context of mental health and we are very aware what people around us need

Every person I speak say that they cannot be without personal contact of some description for 10 or 15 weeks , they are adults who know that it is completely impossible to do that with consequences for their own health .
Asking people to stay home seeing no other humans is possible for a very short term and oddly enough NPHET were very aware of that way back in March 2020
I remember well Leo saying that a lockdown is only possible for short periods and the timing must be right
They seem to have forgotten that point and dragged this one out for so long that people quite simply did their own risk assessment and did what they felt was needed .
Right now they are not reading the room and very close to loosing the people entirely .

is_that_so wrote: »

Contact tracing and finding the likely index patient. They have given some very detailed examples of clusters at times.

They very rarely find the index patient. Contact tracing in ireland only goes back 48hrs from when you tested positive - despite the fact that you can be asymptomatic for an avg of 1 week after contracting the virus.

timmyntc wrote: »

They very rarely find the index patient. Contact tracing in ireland only goes back 48hrs from when you tested positive - despite the fact that you can be asymptomatic for an avg of 1 week after contracting the virus.

That's not completely true, they will go further back if they feel there is any merit to it. As I said there have been numerous very detailed analyses.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Successive governments have never really given a flying f**k about mental health. The underfunding of the sector has always been an issue . Covid is the only show in town.
Btw mentioning mental health here seems to attract the ire of a select few posters be careful.

Add obesity to that too the elephant in room pardon the pun.

“In 10 weeks’ time we will be in a different place, and 10 weeks further down the line we’ll be in a much different place but I worry that we will squander the sacrifice of thousands of people over the last 52 weeks if we rush to do things too quickly in the next 10-20 weeks,”

Lovely another 5 months . What a way to get the public onside

Sweet.Science wrote: »

“In 10 weeks’ time we will be in a different place, and 10 weeks further down the line we’ll be in a much different place but I worry that we will squander the sacrifice of thousands of people over the last 52 weeks if we rush to do things too quickly in the next 10-20 weeks,”

Lovely another 5 months . What a way to get the public onside

Is that something that someone said?

is_that_so wrote: »

Is that something that someone said?

It is in this article https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/nphet-seeing-early-worrying-signs-philip-nolan-urges-people-not-to-squander-52-weeks-of-sacrifice-40187690.html

The dog on the street knew the 'data' wouldn't look as good this week . With thousands of kids gone back to school . Why open them them if the affects werent going to be acceptable .

Deleted User wrote: »

This is why the Swedish model should have been approached.

Yes, they had to impose further restrictions but at least they acted sensibly since the beginning: responsible, sensible measures and promoting safe environments, but not closing the entire country down for the best part of a year, which is what we have done.

And yes, they do have greater mortality. They have double the population and 13,000 deaths. Half that, with 6,500, is what we would have if we kept the country open to a large and moderate degree. Given Ireland has had 4,500 deaths, we have to ask the question:

Has the Irish strategy worked?

The answer: absolutely not.

Is it worth closing the economy for 2,000 COVID deaths, not forgetting that deaths can occur through other means (delayed hospital appointments, cancer etc.)?

The answer: absolutely not.

In the end, Sweden's approach has been proven the most optimum. Not without fault, but infinitely more appropriate than what the iatric triumvirate known as NPHET has imposed.

Per capita, Sweden's mortality rate is more than three times that of Denmark and ten times that of Finland and Norway.

Is this not Déjà vu? Like the long long long lockdown last year. Only instead of 2 weeks and maybe another 2 weeks it’s now a more realistic 10 weeks and another 10 weeks.

I think the government is now addicted to heavy restrictions, the cases and Hospital/ICU are dropping which is good but they know that if they lift them history repeats itself. Lockdown to the government is like heroin to a junkie they know they can’t function without it.


I don’t think Ireland can open normally until everyone is vaccinated and that variants are definitely not a threat or if boosters are needed. I NPHET are definitely worried and in the government ear telling them the facts.

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps, but I'm suggesting that Sweden's approach has proven largely successful.

Keep the economy open to some degree, offer freedom with responsibility, and no overwhelmed health system.

That sounds like a successful approach to me.

And even if it needs to be modified to Sweden Plus, to account for any circumstances relating to Ireland, then so be it.

But terminal lockdown, as the only answer, is a failed strategy.

Sweden's drop in GDP is much the same as that in Denmark, Norway and Finland.